DUST Search - money sunk into invincible logic?

Tebu Gan wrote:

Another Heavy SOB wrote:

Billi Gene wrote:

Another Heavy SOB wrote:

I must admit I can kind of see where the sentiment comes from.

I have seen many tankers top 30 kills and No death's, Although admittedly they were smart and there was only a couple guys actually trying to take them down. Yet those same tankers claim their tanks are UP, where considering the same situation with a buffed tank the pilot may have gone 60-0.

Also there's the common tanker excuse of "well my tank costs more" as if it entitles them to an "I win" button. Now I'm not saying all tankers share this attitude but I see it frequently. And to most infantry that creates the perception that most tankers feel they should be able to solo the entire enemy team.

Finally when I see a decent tanker roll on the field causing Hell, and my squad plus another immediately clamoring to take out that tank and spending the next 15 minutes to do so thus losing objectives suggests that tanks are in No way UP, and those claiming they are UP are simply bad or really do expect to be near invincible.

I think the isk argument is a silly one as well.. after all a Monet can fetch in the hundreds of millions of dollars, and it can't tank a pocket knife. Cool

I really do not like this idea of moaning about a generic portion of the player base "top 30 kills and No death's", when any good player can achieve such stats, and that merely jumping into a tank will not suddenly allow such a performance. My tanker alt sits at around 4mil SP and has once gone 35/x, and that was in a domination with only a single focus point, and only because the pub blueberries rallied and protected my tank, we reversed a loss (i got angry at the LLAV spam and dropped my SR :P).

Taking out a "decent tanker" doesn't take much. If two full squads changed to AV gear to take out a tank, then they probably shouldn't be surprised at losing objectives. Mind if i ask why it took 15 minutes to take the tank out? Surely you don't want us to believe you were hitting the tank for 15 minutes with AV weapons? That would be "beyond belief".

>.< i don't know how CCP can fix the situation, but i am trying to argue both sides where i feel its necessary. This toon started off as an AV, and i have a mild HAV pilot alt. I want both play styles to be viable. What i don't agree with is the amount of hyperbole and utter outright lies that people are touting as truths in order to satisfy whatever directive drives them to such callous and ultimately childish behaviour, which lessens the breadth of the game, as well as the possible play styles and thus limits player interaction with the game.... maybe some of us should go look at the first games we had with computers...

"you can move this paddle up and down the screen and bounce this dot back and forth!!!"

"move side to side shooting blobs as they slowly move towards you!!!"

immersive interaction is the massive drawcard that games have nowadays. Limiting a games possible breadth because of prejudice should be a cardinal gamer crime, punishable by the removal of ones thumbs :P.

Well I cannot speak for the second squad as to what they were using, I simply noticed 4 other blue dots on a hill with swarms (probably militia). The squad I was in only one had proto AV in the form of grenades, I was on my assault Alt with only regular EXO 's. Not my Heavy who's heavily invested in forge guns. The only skilled AV our squad had was nades and the tanker had squad protection making it very difficult to get within grenade range.

I'm not advocating the idea that tanks are OP I just don't believe they are UP. On occasion I have had armor tanks survive 3 consecutive shots from my proto breach forge with Prof V and two complex damage mods, which most tankers would have you believe is absolutely impossible. Yes I'm sure he had his reppers on but the point is it can be done, and if a tank can survive that, it's not UP.

I call bullshit. Unless it's an armor tank, then yes 4 shots there buddy. Oh and one damn forge gunner shouldn't kill a tank in fewer shots then it would take another tank to drop one. How is that not stupid?!
Why the hell don't all of us tankers just jump ship to the forge gun side, right??
My tank should be able to take at least 7 of those forge gun shots ( running shield tank, not possible).

Omg it survived 3 shots of a proto breech, yeah his reps were on buddy, and it was reppin him back up as you charged to fire. Ever heard of an assault forge gun, that's the gun that murders tanks.


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Another Heavy SOB Pure Innocence. EoN. 561	Posted - 2013.08.25 11:51:00 - [1] - Quote I must admit I can kind of see where the sentiment comes from. I have seen many tankers top 30 kills and No death's, Although admittedly they were smart and there was only a couple guys actually trying to take them down. Yet those same tankers claim their tanks are UP, where considering the same situation with a buffed tank the pilot may have gone 60-0. Also there's the common tanker excuse of "well my tank costs more" as if it entitles them to an "I win" button. Now I'm not saying all tankers share this attitude but I see it frequently. And to most infantry that creates the perception that most tankers feel they should be able to solo the entire enemy team. Finally when I see a decent tanker roll on the field causing Hell, and my squad plus another immediately clamoring to take out that tank and spending the next 15 minutes to do so thus losing objectives suggests that tanks are in No way UP, and those claiming they are UP are simply bad or really do expect to be near invincible.
Another Heavy SOB Pure Innocence. EoN. 561	Posted - 2013.08.25 12:51:00 - [2] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: I must admit I can kind of see where the sentiment comes from. I have seen many tankers top 30 kills and No death's, Although admittedly they were smart and there was only a couple guys actually trying to take them down. Yet those same tankers claim their tanks are UP, where considering the same situation with a buffed tank the pilot may have gone 60-0. Also there's the common tanker excuse of "well my tank costs more" as if it entitles them to an "I win" button. Now I'm not saying all tankers share this attitude but I see it frequently. And to most infantry that creates the perception that most tankers feel they should be able to solo the entire enemy team. Finally when I see a decent tanker roll on the field causing Hell, and my squad plus another immediately clamoring to take out that tank and spending the next 15 minutes to do so thus losing objectives suggests that tanks are in No way UP, and those claiming they are UP are simply bad or really do expect to be near invincible. I think the isk argument is a silly one as well.. after all a Monet can fetch in the hundreds of millions of dollars, and it can't tank a pocket knife. I really do not like this idea of moaning about a generic portion of the player base "top 30 kills and No death's", when any good player can achieve such stats, and that merely jumping into a tank will not suddenly allow such a performance. My tanker alt sits at around 4mil SP and has once gone 35/x, and that was in a domination with only a single focus point, and only because the pub blueberries rallied and protected my tank, we reversed a loss (i got angry at the LLAV spam and dropped my SR :P). Taking out a "decent tanker" doesn't take much. If two full squads changed to AV gear to take out a tank, then they probably shouldn't be surprised at losing objectives. Mind if i ask why it took 15 minutes to take the tank out? Surely you don't want us to believe you were hitting the tank for 15 minutes with AV weapons? That would be "beyond belief". >.< i don't know how CCP can fix the situation, but i am trying to argue both sides where i feel its necessary. This toon started off as an AV, and i have a mild HAV pilot alt. I want both play styles to be viable. What i don't agree with is the amount of hyperbole and utter outright lies that people are touting as truths in order to satisfy whatever directive drives them to such callous and ultimately childish behaviour, which lessens the breadth of the game, as well as the possible play styles and thus limits player interaction with the game.... maybe some of us should go look at the first games we had with computers... "you can move this paddle up and down the screen and bounce this dot back and forth!!!" "move side to side shooting blobs as they slowly move towards you!!!" immersive interaction is the massive drawcard that games have nowadays. Limiting a games possible breadth because of prejudice should be a cardinal gamer crime, punishable by the removal of ones thumbs :P. Well I cannot speak for the second squad as to what they were using, I simply noticed 4 other blue dots on a hill with swarms (probably militia). The squad I was in only one had proto AV in the form of grenades, I was on my assault Alt with only regular EXO 's. Not my Heavy who's heavily invested in forge guns. The only skilled AV our squad had was nades and the tanker had squad protection making it very difficult to get within grenade range. I'm not advocating the idea that tanks are OP I just don't believe they are UP. On occasion I have had armor tanks survive 3 consecutive shots from my proto breach forge with Prof V and two complex damage mods, which most tankers would have you believe is absolutely impossible. Yes I'm sure he had his reppers on but the point is it can be done, and if a tank can survive that, it's not UP.
Another Heavy SOB Pure Innocence. EoN. 569	Posted - 2013.08.25 21:57:00 - [3] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: Billi Gene wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: I must admit I can kind of see where the sentiment comes from. I have seen many tankers top 30 kills and No death's, Although admittedly they were smart and there was only a couple guys actually trying to take them down. Yet those same tankers claim their tanks are UP, where considering the same situation with a buffed tank the pilot may have gone 60-0. Also there's the common tanker excuse of "well my tank costs more" as if it entitles them to an "I win" button. Now I'm not saying all tankers share this attitude but I see it frequently. And to most infantry that creates the perception that most tankers feel they should be able to solo the entire enemy team. Finally when I see a decent tanker roll on the field causing Hell, and my squad plus another immediately clamoring to take out that tank and spending the next 15 minutes to do so thus losing objectives suggests that tanks are in No way UP, and those claiming they are UP are simply bad or really do expect to be near invincible. I think the isk argument is a silly one as well.. after all a Monet can fetch in the hundreds of millions of dollars, and it can't tank a pocket knife. I really do not like this idea of moaning about a generic portion of the player base "top 30 kills and No death's", when any good player can achieve such stats, and that merely jumping into a tank will not suddenly allow such a performance. My tanker alt sits at around 4mil SP and has once gone 35/x, and that was in a domination with only a single focus point, and only because the pub blueberries rallied and protected my tank, we reversed a loss (i got angry at the LLAV spam and dropped my SR :P). Taking out a "decent tanker" doesn't take much. If two full squads changed to AV gear to take out a tank, then they probably shouldn't be surprised at losing objectives. Mind if i ask why it took 15 minutes to take the tank out? Surely you don't want us to believe you were hitting the tank for 15 minutes with AV weapons? That would be "beyond belief". >.< i don't know how CCP can fix the situation, but i am trying to argue both sides where i feel its necessary. This toon started off as an AV, and i have a mild HAV pilot alt. I want both play styles to be viable. What i don't agree with is the amount of hyperbole and utter outright lies that people are touting as truths in order to satisfy whatever directive drives them to such callous and ultimately childish behaviour, which lessens the breadth of the game, as well as the possible play styles and thus limits player interaction with the game.... maybe some of us should go look at the first games we had with computers... "you can move this paddle up and down the screen and bounce this dot back and forth!!!" "move side to side shooting blobs as they slowly move towards you!!!" immersive interaction is the massive drawcard that games have nowadays. Limiting a games possible breadth because of prejudice should be a cardinal gamer crime, punishable by the removal of ones thumbs :P. Well I cannot speak for the second squad as to what they were using, I simply noticed 4 other blue dots on a hill with swarms (probably militia). The squad I was in only one had proto AV in the form of grenades, I was on my assault Alt with only regular EXO 's. Not my Heavy who's heavily invested in forge guns. The only skilled AV our squad had was nades and the tanker had squad protection making it very difficult to get within grenade range. I'm not advocating the idea that tanks are OP I just don't believe they are UP. On occasion I have had armor tanks survive 3 consecutive shots from my proto breach forge with Prof V and two complex damage mods, which most tankers would have you believe is absolutely impossible. Yes I'm sure he had his reppers on but the point is it can be done, and if a tank can survive that, it's not UP. I call bullshit. Unless it's an armor tank, then yes 4 shots there buddy. Oh and one damn forge gunner shouldn't kill a tank in fewer shots then it would take another tank to drop one. How is that not stupid?! Why the hell don't all of us tankers just jump ship to the forge gun side, right?? My tank should be able to take at least 7 of those forge gun shots ( running shield tank, not possible). Omg it survived 3 shots of a proto breech, yeah his reps were on buddy, and it was reppin him back up as you charged to fire. Ever heard of an assault forge gun, that's the gun that murders tanks. Butthurt much little buddy? And who the ** do you think you are to call me a liar? I have to agenda, No reason to lie so get that *** straight punk. "Unless it's an Armor tank" well read the ***** post asshat I said it was an armor tank. Finally I had started with using the Ishukone Assault but the tanker was to cautious for me to get more than 2 hits before he'd quickly retreat into cover. Considering that I brought out the breach, let him think I was gone so he would get cocky and come farther out of his cover. Just because you aren't smart enough to fit a tank to be that beefy doesn't mean it isn't possible.