Just because you put 10+ mil sp into tanks and each one costs 1+mil isk, doesn't mean you should be invincible and go 40-0 every match. I do understand that 1+mil isk is alot to be throwing away so I have an idea, keep tanks the way they are but make them only cost 200k. Done.

200k/tank is way too cheap. Proto drop suits cost that much and can't inflict anywhere near the same amount of damage.

Instead, tankers need to stop being cry babies about AV. Especially the nades and swarms.

200k/tank is way too cheap. Proto drop suits cost that much and can't inflict anywhere near the same amount of damage.

Instead, tankers need to stop being cry babies about AV. Especially the nades and swarms.

so we should just accept the completely broken balance and be cool with all the bull?

so we should just accept the completely broken balance and be cool with all the bull?

so we should just accept the completely broken balance and be cool with all the bull?

Just because you put 10+ mil sp into tanks and each one costs 1+mil isk, doesn't mean you should be invincible and go 40-0 every match. I do understand that 1+mil isk is alot to be throwing away so I have an idea, keep tanks the way they are but make them only cost 200k. Done.

No, you should wait for proto/adv tanks.

Just because you put 10+ mil sp into tanks and each one costs 1+mil isk, doesn't mean you should be invincible and go 40-0 every match. I do understand that 1+mil isk is alot to be throwing away so I have an idea, keep tanks the way they are but make them only cost 200k. Done.

So a tank being able to actually be effective makes it a crutch.

Look, only the idiots who no one should be listening to want to go 40/0 solo in an HAV.

People like me and others want an HAV to be a useful asset to our team if we put the work in to support it, such as using all three turret slots and sticking with a group of infantry.

So a tank being able to actually be effective makes it a crutch.

Look, only the idiots who no one should be listening to want to go 40/0 solo in an HAV.

People like me and others want an HAV to be a useful asset to our team if we put the work in to support it, such as using all three turret slots and sticking with a group of infantry.

there is no point fighting with them, they haven't spec AV or vehicles so they have no clue.

The broken balance is what exactly? Forge guns are a whole other "av" issue, and irrelevant in this entire 'lolswarms' bitching that's going on. (and not even 100% AV since they damage dropsuits too). But swarms and av nades, what way is the balance out of whack? Tanks can easily escape both of these if they play with even a semi amount of wit and situational awareness.

Just like drop suits, having an escape route planned, and not rushing into situations where you're crazy outnumbered will dramatically increase your life expectancy. Having a proto drop suit doesn't mean you'll automatically go 12-1 or 15-0. You need to play smart to stay alive. The same exact line of thought has to start entering these whining tankers' minds.

I had a dedicated tanker alt, and I've been using AV on this character for a few weeks now and I've noticed that tankers, more than av'ers, tend to complain waaaaaaaay disproportionately to the cards they're dealt.

Just because you put 10+ mil sp into tanks and each one costs 1+mil isk, doesn't mean you should be invincible and go 40-0 every match. I do understand that 1+mil isk is alot to be throwing away so I have an idea, keep tanks the way they are but make them only cost 200k. Done.

The broken balance is what exactly? Forge guns are a whole other "av" issue, and irrelevant in this entire 'lolswarms' bitching that's going on. (and not even 100% AV since they damage dropsuits too). But swarms and av nades, what way is the balance out of whack? Tanks can easily escape both of these if they play with even a semi amount of wit and situational awareness.

Just like drop suits, having an escape route planned, and not rushing into situations where you're crazy outnumbered will dramatically increase your life expectancy. Having a proto drop suit doesn't mean you'll automatically go 12-1 or 15-0. You need to play smart to stay alive. The same exact line of thought has to start entering these whining tankers' minds.

This is because tankers think they should be invincible, funny how they say swarms are a crutch when the very concept of a tank is a crutch.

This is because tankers think they should be invincible, funny how they say swarms are a crutch when the very concept of a tank is a crutch.

A 1/3 price reduction would make the price match the performance i think.

a MLT 175000 ISK tank?
now it costs 116.000

A 1 Mil tank?
now it costs 660.000

And so on.

That's a great idea!

The main problem with tankers is that they think just because their tank costs alot, it should be invincible. I think by making them cheaper it would help rid them of that terrible mindset. Maybe 400k?

You're a ******* idiot. We have stated over and over again, there is barely any way to profit as pilots. our vehicles are too weak, and are too expensive. We don't want god-mode vehicles, we want to make a profit.

I'm not fully against it. I'd like to see more vehicles being used. And if it'd shut the whiners up, at least a little bit, then everyone wins.

Well , me having a 10 million sp tanker account plus my main, King Checkmate with Full AV weaponry i really think this is the best way to balance this situation.

I admit, i dont think tanks are as UP as tankers say, there are games where i can be shooting the whole 15 minutes at a tank and never destroy it. And i use FG and Swarms.... And i play with a friend who plays as F-gunner too....

BUT i do understand that simple mistake being punished by a HUGE loss of money is a little unfair to the tankers AS it is (considering how common AV weapons are now, tahnks to LLAVs), tanks are very potent (this is my opinion) and powerful, but infantry DOES have the means to fight back. The only real issue is the cost of 1 vs the other. One using a 80k weapon on a 150000 dropsuit loadout, and the other on a 1 million tank.

So yea, i say an OVERALL price reduction of 1/3 for everything vehicle related ( Except LLAVs , i hate them) so that the price fully matches the tank's performance. (Even if they have SIMILAR firepower the Tank should cost at least 660k , because it has AT LEAST 6x times the EHP of a heavy...see where im going with this?)

200k/tank is way too cheap. Proto drop suits cost that much and can't inflict anywhere near the same amount of damage.

Instead, tankers need to stop being cry babies about AV. Especially the nades and swarms.