What? you didn't read title? Simple. Driving a HAV is no excuse to suck when your boots on are the ground. To many times it's the same turtle with out a shell scenario. But thing is.. IT'S ONLY WITH THIS GAME! lol

Other dedicated pilots and drivers from other FPS games know their way around a gun. Losing a HAV or putting their boots on the ground doesn't equate to instant death for them.

Too many times I've seen and killed the poor sob that lost his tank and with tears in his eyes, charges at me to only die quickly.


If your a HAV driver, but have kept up your gun game, than this post is not for you. But those that SEVERELY RELY ON THEIR TANK TO STAY ALIVE, I can see why some QQ constantly.

I was a OHK before I took up the swarms. I did it cause I was bored. But on the field I know my around a gun. (sad if I didn't since FPS make up 80% of my diet since I was a teen)

Swarms aren't a crutch for me, cause before I'm hunting HAVs and DS, I'm hunting the snipers and forge gunners that protect them with my Ish smg.

Crutches aren't good. cause on the battlefield, it's the solder that holding crutches that would get shot first. Balance out, SL and HAV players.

I'm gonna quote this jason. how about the guy that pops all his SP in AV. But doesn't have enough for a decent smg? You don't How see how HAV AND SL users share the same similarities? With some gun game, BOTH THE HAV AND SL are just ducks that wonder in on the wrong season.

You do know we only use swarms Cause vehicles are killing us on the field...right? I only whip a weapon that cost me a few million SP to use...if I'm getting killed by a tank, LLAV or a dropship is killing me. It is useless outside of all situations other then locking to a vehicle...it can't be used on anything else...it takes up a light weapon slot and leaves us only with a sidearm. If one ground soldier spots us out, we have a major problem defending ourselves.

MY AV SUIT IS A SCOUT. My side arm are is ISH. My survivability depends on how many are near the hav, and how fast I can run to restock. But I survive more than half of 1vs1. AR or SHOTTY. Add 2 players there and I'm probably dead. But it's not about hav users going infantry, it's about them being able to survive to make it to the red line, call another hav. that takes some sort of gun skill. NO EXCUSE IN A FPS NOT TO HAVE IT.

And what the mmo loving faires would care if the tank cost as much as a lav?

LOWER THE DAMN PRICE. But tell me why DCUO Loving selves that never played a fps game should pound FPS players, and go 50-2 because they are in a TANK? Last time I checked Dust was barely holding onto it's lobby shooter tag. why would it go against everything that's almost an unwritten rule in every fps?

Advanced. I'm a few days out from proto. I've been using swarms for a few weeks now, and I still don't understand how anyone can view them as OP or a crutch. The majority of my kills with it are, who I can only assume, new players hanging out in turrets, and assholes trying to roadkill everyone in militia LAVs. I've knocked a few dropships around, never get kills though, and tanks? Even the most mediocre militia tank can deal with advanced swarms on most of the maps.

Luckily as a Min I have extra side arm magazine size, anyone else running it would be extra vulnerable. But my AV kit also uses ex-o nades, so its all sidearm for 90% of every other enemy on the map. Such a crutch.