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Arirana
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.06 04:10:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Thankfully we're just laughing about it. Congrats Arirana on perfecting the broken melee mechanic to lift your team above the collective teamwork of TeamPlayers. But you can't hate on us for denying your app when this is the type of player we would have been accepting. You're my friend, but this is getting old. We give credit where credit is due. Congrats Arirana. We can't beat you without stooping to that level, and we have collectively decided not to. Pics or it didn't happen Warning: Wall of QQ text. My turn You know, I hate to bring up an ancient post (no pun intended) but I kinda got some bones to pick with this. I find your manner of congratz mixed with "you're on a lower level than us" outright statement kinda bittersweet. Kinda more bitter since you ended it on the bitter part, but hey, I understand I did kinda blindside you guys that day. Anyway, this is my counter argument. The one that actually taught me this, and yes feel free to spread it as fact, is Calamity Jane II. I know many guys in TP pushed for my acceptance, but I know you guys were on a hot streak at the time and you didn't have time for guys without a significant reputation. I am also aware that Calamity Jane II did use the melee exploit in PC, but not on the scale or magnitude that I did. I am not using this as an excuse, its just that my mentor in my "lower than TP tactics" was a highly esteemed TP member himself. I am also aware that you had plenty of shotgunners, and I would probably not get played and you wanted to spare me the bench warmer scenarios. Also, I understand TP's recent tactics in poking AE while it's down as NF has just distbanded to poach our players that are unsure of their footing in AE. This is New Eden, the dog eat dog world of the internet.
What I'm a little confused about is the fact that HightimesSW asked me specifically to join TP after my first match with you guys displaying my exploit with some A team AE members to back me up, and we nearly won and lost only due to inferior numbers in clones to begin with (clone pack). Even more so, that after I told him maybe you post that your gates were never open to me to begin with. I expect HightimesSW didn't share his Ari-poach attempt through PM with the rest of the gang, but this is just upsetting, especially coming from two people who I expected the exact opposite reactions from both. I expected Zatara to be the one to ask me to join the crew and HightimesSW to publicly reject me, but apparently, no. I never wanted this war to get between me and my friends back in EoN, but I guess that and the combination of my new tactics are sharp enough weapons to sever any friendship bond I've made there. Just fills me with regret, but obviously there's no turning back now :/, according to OP. I know this whole forum warrior scene is your thing, but this left me wounded. I remember the mail you sent me saying "I still love ya" but I never knew why you sent it until now.
Now that we're past that, that game it was so one sided, I doubt even without me it would have been close. Lately the wins you've managed to pickpocket have been the result of the "playing dead" tactics originally made by SI. Every one of those games we were ill prepared and down at least 8 A team members. So congratz TP, your perfection of the possum tactics have successfully made us lose our momentum and brought your A team some wins and bragging rights against our semi A team/Semi B team. Every even starting clones match A team vs A team we have had, AE came out on top. Of course nearly every member of TP is worthy of being on our A team so obviously, when our guys can't/decide not to show up to our fights against you guys, the odds are in your favor. Also we all know that whenever you see us with a less than a promising A team, you send in a spy, they relay information, then you guys send in your A team to pick out an easy win. Every single time we had our entire A team on since this post was made, TP has sent a spy into the timer, and no showed. This effectively discouraged most of us from coming on because we were looking forward to putting the words that pass between PM and the forums into action. Now looks look back on this terrible day for TP. You were blindsided by a tactic you were not expecting, and you made a modest post about it with some obvious signs of holding back QQ, and some actual QQ. We made maybe a post or two and left it at that either making a joke after a win against TP or calling out some TP hypocrisy. While we go in with our B team or less than a full 16, and you make full threads of you guys laughing about how you pulled win after win over on us and proved you could beat us even* with me on the other team (again, I can be countered, just like anything else, and you have accomplished it without making sacrifices). But those wins were against our B teams man, stfu when you refuse to fight us with our A team on. |
Arirana
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.07 07:03:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:Spoken like an average player that will forever be remembered ONLY as an exploiter. If you had joined tp sure you would have rode the bench, but we wouldn't have to deal with someone glitching their controller upwards of 600 times a match. AE has a strong team without you, but if you werent glitching you would be one of their worst players. The arguement that you handicap yourself by speccing your character completely around a glitch speaks to your intelligence as you are GLITCHING IN 100% OF THE MATCH. Using the melee glitch in cqc makes getting kills as easy as taking candy from a baby, you want people to believe it takes alot of skill to run up and jump into a group of babies and take their lollipops. You will only be remembered as an exploiter due to YOUR decision to EXPLOIT. Doc I understand your sudden outbursts at me but seriously, shut the **** up. I'm not gonna pull the "this was between me and Zatara" card, cause I know I posted it on the forums. I never said anything about wanting to be remembered, and I know my credibility as a honorable opponent is gone. Not once did I ever say I was tearing **** up with the melee glitch because I was better than my opponent, only that I am the best at utilizing the melee exploit. Also, the reason I brought up the bench riding is because many of TP's shotgunners are old TP members and regardless of my skill, I would not be put before them. I really don't know about the part about me being AE's worst player without the melee exploit, but I know I will still be able to compete on TP's level without it. The "handicap" was only partial, as fiddle uses the melee exploit with a MD, I run it with a STD shotgun. I could have been driving around a murder taxi and jumping out with a mass driver and melee exploiting as well but I didn't. I never specced my character completely around melee exploiting, wanna know how much sp I spent when I intended to use it? I spent 900k on the melee damage mods and thats it. I already had the other modules from being a shotgunner, only I couldn't really run a shotgunner class suited to me on a calogi after it got nerfed. I was unhappy with my build, so I decided to switch to cald assault. If you had forgotten, it costs 2.5 mil sp for a new suit. Anyway, I thought of an alternative so I wouldn't have to shotgun in a less than favorable build anymore, and it was the logically choice, you can't deny that. Several people have done things to keep themselves playing this game, entertained. Its just that mine pisses people off royally. I will repeat myself again, I don't think using it makes me a skilled player, or that I ever cared about being remembered by a gaming community. It doesn't take skill to use this exploit effectively, you're right. Its easy to look at someone doing well with something OP and make the assumption that they're bad. Go ahead, call me bad. Just please, stop looking like an idiot. |
Arirana
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.07 08:55:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Arirana wrote: only that I am the best at utilizing the melee exploit.
Beast! Arirana wrote:wanna know how much sp I spent when I intended to use it? I spent 900k on the melee damage mods and thats it. lol... Arirana wrote:Go ahead, call me bad. you're bad... did i say it right? mhm ^-^ |
Arirana
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.08 03:50:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Once again things are getting misconstrued here.
when ari left (or was leaving) red star, zatara is the one that pushed for ari to come here. I agreed he was a good shotgunner, and sat down to talk to ari. He like most serious players deserve the respect and my time of a conversation. At the time, Annie and Jane were still somewhat active, along with xero and reaper being on almost all the time. I had 2 shotggunners on for every match, and told u what you posted here. You are too good to not play, andI couldn't guarantee you playing time. you understood and we remained in touch.
fast forward a few weeks and then you begin to exploit the melee, causing an uproar across the entire game. At this point jane is long gone, annie only around on occasion. This is where many lost respect for you.
as for AE v TEAM, really no need to go there. We have no 'A' team. We have whoever is on at the time and we go with it.
you won some, we won more. As always, none of us boast we are unbeatable, cause that simply isnt true.
I never misconstrued anything, like I said I never expected Zat to be the one to say he didn't want me in TP, which if you read the first post of this thread, he did indeed say that. I have no hard feelings about it cubs, I understood it and I was never too butthurt over it, just at the time I was really looking into getting on a tourney team and between the time I sent in my app and the time you said no was 8 days, very near the end sign ups. I was a little upset about that, and with RS so unactive and taking a long break from PC I just started roaming from corp to corp trying to find the right place for me. Eventually broadway, whom was in Arrogance with me, invited me to come join AE.
This was a couple weeks after my calogi SG build was nerfed and I was already well on my way to speccing into melee. I'm not really interested in chest beating and pulling out the ruler when it comes to comparing AE's and TP's dong length, I like both of the groups of guys in each corp and in the beginning of me being in AE I was happy just being friends with both sides. Of course I began using the melee exploit, and due to that I was alienated by all of my friends back in TP, including Zat. I just took the time to make that post to express how that was unintended and to clear some things about my own view point. I still consider you guy's my friends even though you may resent me. I'll give it some time, maybe after a few months when I'm done with melee maybe we can put this crap behind us. Anyway that last part about the B team chest beating was just something that's been annoying me lately, please don't take offence. |
Arirana
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.08 04:12:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Woah woah woah..I never said i didn't want you in TP...until you started glitching. I begged for you to be in, until i found out about it. Then I just gave up. I'm still cool, because it would be hypocrisy to be otherwise. I already addressed this in my first response to your post. -_- It's fine Zat I have no one to blame but myself. Even though my suit got nerfed its not like I couldn't just suck it up and shotgun anyway, infact if I had stayed true to my intention of speccing into Cald assault I would have had it by now.. tbh I just gave up, I convinced myself I play this game for fun and if I have fun punching people to death then why shouldn't I? Obviously it was a mistake and there's really no point in stopping now, but I will regardless. Of course from now on I am going to save up every single point of sp for cald assault and as soon as I get it I am done with melee, someone else can pick up the boxing gloves (thats if it isn't already fixed). I've been shotgunning more and more lately trying to slowly slip out of it. |
Arirana
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.08 04:37:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:We will play your a-team in the tourney finals...and we shall see who is better. Before you got there we had a wining record of like 13-3; you got there and shook things up using the melee glitch as well as playing us when we were frenetic and yet tired (because of winning 40+ battles a day) so your point is made but let's be clear...we will play you guys with your a-team anytime, especially if it's without the melee glitch. I argued in our chat so many times you'd think i was in AE defending you and scolding TP members for deriding you because I knew you got it from Calamity and it is hypocrisy. He never used it your way (solely) but he used it, and I have little doubt if he'd come up with the fitting whether he would have run it, but that's irrelevant. Point is...with the exception of the sh1tty people in AE especially the guy that doxxed my real name from AE onto the forums (which all the ae guys just laughed cause they are tool sheds) I like the great players there. I have posts up where i praise them. This post was a little bitter, losing is never fun...and a little of it is meta to get the ball rolling and set a precedent on how to proceed getting it taken care of...which people jumped on the bandwagon and now it'll get fixed. Playing possum is lol. I only get on dust if Cubs mails me. I'm of FF14 (lvl 44 Dragoon on coerl server!) and I doubt i'll play this game much again until the competition lures the some of us that are scaling back. You choose to have districts, and you made us fight 150 battles to keep ours; forgive me if your QQ if relegated to simply that. You are insinuating AE beat TP's on an even playing field and lost repeatedly because of an uneven one. Either take your losses, or get an a-team on. Refuse to fight? naw...we just wanted to tie up your districts for a bit so you couldn't use clones...though taking a district with a clone back was fun, and winning with a clone pack when the ae alt QQ'ed about how you guys only lost once because it was a clone pack makes it even funnier. Sota believes you guys were just scared to face his hmg after he decimated on the clone pack we won with. I told HT i wanted you in TP's before i knew you ran this. And even when you started running it I thought it was a gimmick with no overwhelming impact, a shotty but better..but it turned out that it was immensely effective. I have no clue why he invited you. Smexy and Tank asked to be in TP and I wanted em cause i played with them extensively ringing for IO (read: I NEED ACES!!!) but waited 2 long. great forgers. anyway...i get 2 wrongs made using it right and it's a great justification for using it solely, kudos more or less. After this post you sent me a message saying you weren't planning on using this after you got caldari assault to run shotty again i was elated...and that's why i look forward to whatever team you bring to the tourney, and didn't continue to meta this thread into a classic. Hakuna Matata. By the way... on the part about the winning with the clone pack nice job. Though, that only evened the score from when we beat you guys ringing for PRO with a clone pack |
Arirana
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:50:00 -
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DJINN Rampage wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:DJINN Rampage wrote:By the way someone needs to make a QQ thread about the second TP district lost to AE whys that? you won, we lost. Part of the game... gg but it's no fun if you just say gg :( where's the forum warriors? wheres zatara QQing about ari and nade spamming? wheres sota calling everyone exploitationists? i guess dust really is dead :| gtfo the water is still and I like it that way T-T |
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