DUST Search - Time to add 10k PC districts every quarter

Jay Westen wrote:

VEXation Gunn wrote:

Abron Garr wrote:

Jay Westen wrote:

Why not kill a majority of the "generated" market and move to a more player-built economy. Instead of using space 'roids for ground pounder equipment, manufacturing takes place on planets with a new infrastructure such as extractors and manufacturing industry. This would drive the reason to own planets in dust and kill the passive ISK generation.

Exactly.

So that requires so much more design and dev time. I'm just trying to push dust forward here. My big point is PC is the only thing in dust to do but it needs to be expanded. I mean really does anyone play pub matches and say "yeah i'm gonna give ccp money and play this instead of titan fall"? pubs are bad and no reason to even play them besides sp.

The player count is terrible for dust. All the big dreams ccp had are gone and dead right now. CCP needs to see if the current and super ****** design can scale or not. Better to learn now rather than later that is can scale or not

So would you rather quickly push out PC and open it up everywhere and see if it works, which I think it would fail. I made this same post a while back and was pushing for it to open up as well. But looking at the numbers I have to agree the idea of having it open now it would take such a long time to actually see some real combat, yeah it could pontentially spawn some fights but still there really isn't anything in PC to give back to the Dust player except passive isk generation. All I'm getting at is build something that would give us a reason to fight other than random isk, and vendettas. So what if it takes dev time, I'd venture to say the time to dev my idea vs the time it would take to see any real open warfare in your idea would probably be close due to the sheer size of New Eden.

Plus there's always Faction Warfare they could start investing in, too. This would set dust apart..

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VEXation Gunn Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 327	Posted - 2013.08.22 15:22:00 - [1] - Quote It's been 3 months its time for ccp to start to scale up PC. Between lowsec and nullsec there is upwards of 250k districts possible to be put into place. PC has been a bigger success that ccp could have imagined at this point. It's time to move forward. So I am proposing a quarterly expansion of 10k districts to dust. This way players in dust and in eve can both plan ahead. How to do this is a much more difficult issue but there is time to plan properly for it. At 10k districts a quarter (40k districts a year) it falls into line with the 5 year plan ccp has to finish dust. Look like it or not PC is the only Jesus feature in dust and ccp better use it or lose it. So hopefully foxy or null can give us a heads up on their plans for PC
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 977	Posted - 2013.08.22 15:26:00 - [2] - Quote Why increase? No one wants MH or are prepared to fight for it Look at it now, corps which cannot fight do not get, except planet fight club which should be burned tbh Why should more be added? EoN would only end up taking most of it, and half the corps only want more space so they can click on a button to buy it and not actually have to fight for it
Raxsus Lannister Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 30	Posted - 2013.08.22 15:26:00 - [3] - Quote PC a success? are we playing the same game? it's a terrible laggy piece of garbage that needs to be fixed. At least it was a month ago
VEXation Gunn Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 328	Posted - 2013.08.22 15:32:00 - [4] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Why increase? No one wants MH or are prepared to fight for it Look at it now, corps which cannot fight do not get, except planet fight club which should be burned tbh Why should more be added? EoN would only end up taking most of it, and half the corps only want more space so they can click on a button to buy it and not actually have to fight for it player count be damned really. Per many eve nerds that have commented on districts its just the location. If you opened districts in better parts of space or in nullsec you will make eve nerds happy. I mean really what else does dust have to offer? PC as of now is lame because eve nerds don't care about the districts. Worse than that is PC is just passive farming for dust players (isk is still bad motivation too) plus at 10k districts eon cant even think to take them all. Beyond that it will allow everyone into PC. I think it will also fall into line with ccp's idea that player skill should really have no effect on PC.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 978	Posted - 2013.08.22 15:39:00 - [5] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Why increase? No one wants MH or are prepared to fight for it Look at it now, corps which cannot fight do not get, except planet fight club which should be burned tbh Why should more be added? EoN would only end up taking most of it, and half the corps only want more space so they can click on a button to buy it and not actually have to fight for it player count be damned really. Per many eve nerds that have commented on districts its just the location. If you opened districts in better parts of space or in nullsec you will make eve nerds happy. I mean really what else does dust have to offer? PC as of now is lame because eve nerds don't care about the districts. Worse than that is PC is just passive farming for dust players (isk is still bad motivation too) plus at 10k districts eon cant even think to take them all. Beyond that it will allow everyone into PC. I think it will also fall into line with ccp's idea that player skill should really have no effect on PC. So basically open everything up so everyone can have a piece of the pie and we all play farmville without attacking anyone because the pie is that ******* massive
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 341	Posted - 2013.08.22 15:41:00 - [6] - Quote They need to find a way to make districts matter other than just piling up ISK that is only really useful for pubstomping.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1734	Posted - 2013.08.22 15:43:00 - [7] - Quote going from 250 to 10,000 districts... there would be no reason to fight... hell it was take ages to even buy and claim every district! Would be interesting though, a large alliance can hold a couple thousand districts and rake in a cool trillion isk per day. That would definitely rival EVE isk generation!
VEXation Gunn Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 328	Posted - 2013.08.22 15:44:00 - [8] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: VEXation Gunn wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Why increase? No one wants MH or are prepared to fight for it Look at it now, corps which cannot fight do not get, except planet fight club which should be burned tbh Why should more be added? EoN would only end up taking most of it, and half the corps only want more space so they can click on a button to buy it and not actually have to fight for it player count be damned really. Per many eve nerds that have commented on districts its just the location. If you opened districts in better parts of space or in nullsec you will make eve nerds happy. I mean really what else does dust have to offer? PC as of now is lame because eve nerds don't care about the districts. Worse than that is PC is just passive farming for dust players (isk is still bad motivation too) plus at 10k districts eon cant even think to take them all. Beyond that it will allow everyone into PC. I think it will also fall into line with ccp's idea that player skill should really have no effect on PC. So basically open everything up so everyone can have a piece of the pie and we all play farmville without attacking anyone because the pie is that ******* massive I think moving to active farming is a must (something I didn't want to address really in this thread) and do away with passive farming. I would think any system would show that its about activity so owning a district makes you zero isk. So there is no point for eon to own 1k districts if it cant actively farm them.
Kain Spero Spero Escrow Services 2002	Posted - 2013.08.22 15:45:00 - [9] - Quote The issue is there is no way the current player base could support anything like these numbers of districts. I completely agree that we need to move away from passive ISK generation, but I can't imagine how players could actively get resources out of 10,000 districts. With the amount (almost none) and quality (bad orbital mechanics) of the Eve interaction right now I think you could open every temperate planet in the cluster and Eve still wouldn't care.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2638	Posted - 2013.08.22 15:45:00 - [10] - Quote No point. You're suggesting we have enough districts for every single person playing DUST, each person could just decide ** it, let's all have a district each :/ King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

Surt gods end Demon Ronin 831	Posted - 2013.08.22 15:47:00 - [11] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: It's been 3 months its time for ccp to start to scale up PC. Between lowsec and nullsec there is upwards of 250k districts possible to be put into place. PC has been a bigger success that ccp could have imagined at this point. It's time to move forward. So I am proposing a quarterly expansion of 10k districts to dust. This way players in dust and in eve can both plan ahead. How to do this is a much more difficult issue but there is time to plan properly for it. At 10k districts a quarter (40k districts a year) it falls into line with the 5 year plan ccp has to finish dust. Look like it or not PC is the only Jesus feature in dust and ccp better use it or lose it. So hopefully foxy or null can give us a heads up on their plans for PC Define success?
Avallo Kantor DUST University Ivy League 150	Posted - 2013.08.22 15:47:00 - [12] - Quote If there are that many districts then what motivation is there for conflict? Generally the idea with having a resource system in a fighting game is for having it be scarce so that in itself is a conflict driver.
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 472	Posted - 2013.08.22 15:48:00 - [13] - Quote There are ~250 PC districts right now. And you think 10,000 more is is going result in anything positive?
VEXation Gunn Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 328	Posted - 2013.08.22 15:56:00 - [14] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: If there are that many districts then what motivation is there for conflict? Generally the idea with having a resource system in a fighting game is for having it be scarce so that in itself is a conflict driver. if you go to active resource model where diff districts have diff resources with value then sure why not.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 468	Posted - 2013.08.22 15:56:00 - [15] - Quote Avallo Kantor wrote: If there are that many districts then what motivation is there for conflict? Generally the idea with having a resource system in a fighting game is for having it be scarce so that in itself is a conflict driver. Big fishes eats small fishes. Swarm of small fishes eats big fishes. That alone creates conflicts. Lust for revenge is a conflict driver.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 468	Posted - 2013.08.22 16:01:00 - [16] - Quote If smaller Corps becomes able to "farm" ISK, they'll be able to launch more frequent attacks. Add potent alliances forming to this and we may get emergent forces to be reckoned with.
KingBlade82 The Phoenix Federation 175	Posted - 2013.08.22 16:16:00 - [17] - Quote Well the way I see it we do need more districts so that way everyone can compete in PC idk about u but to get ur first district is expensive but well worth it to play PC or else ud never be able to get in on it and have some fun but the huge lag I have in PC is really hurting how I play before we open up more, stable fights has to be a priority
Jay Westen Warrior Nation WNx 87	Posted - 2013.08.22 16:28:00 - [18] - Quote Why not kill a majority of the "generated" market and move to a more player-built economy. Instead of using space 'roids for ground pounder equipment, manufacturing takes place on planets with a new infrastructure such as extractors and manufacturing industry. This would drive the reason to own planets in dust and kill the passive ISK generation.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 580	Posted - 2013.08.22 16:30:00 - [19] - Quote Jay Westen wrote: Why not kill a majority of the "generated" market and move to a more player-built economy. Instead of using space 'roids for ground pounder equipment, manufacturing takes place on planets with a new infrastructure such as extractors and manufacturing industry. This would drive the reason to own planets in dust and kill the passive ISK generation. Exactly.
VEXation Gunn Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 330	Posted - 2013.08.22 16:39:00 - [20] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Jay Westen wrote: Why not kill a majority of the "generated" market and move to a more player-built economy. Instead of using space 'roids for ground pounder equipment, manufacturing takes place on planets with a new infrastructure such as extractors and manufacturing industry. This would drive the reason to own planets in dust and kill the passive ISK generation. Exactly. So that requires so much more design and dev time. I'm just trying to push dust forward here. My big point is PC is the only thing in dust to do but it needs to be expanded. I mean really does anyone play pub matches and say "yeah i'm gonna give ccp money and play this instead of titan fall"? pubs are bad and no reason to even play them besides sp. The player count is terrible for dust. All the big dreams ccp had are gone and dead right now. CCP needs to see if the current and super ****** design can scale or not. Better to learn now rather than later that is can scale or not

Jay Westen Warrior Nation WNx 87	Posted - 2013.08.22 16:45:00 - [21] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Jay Westen wrote: Why not kill a majority of the "generated" market and move to a more player-built economy. Instead of using space 'roids for ground pounder equipment, manufacturing takes place on planets with a new infrastructure such as extractors and manufacturing industry. This would drive the reason to own planets in dust and kill the passive ISK generation. Exactly. So that requires so much more design and dev time. I'm just trying to push dust forward here. My big point is PC is the only thing in dust to do but it needs to be expanded. I mean really does anyone play pub matches and say "yeah i'm gonna give ccp money and play this instead of titan fall"? pubs are bad and no reason to even play them besides sp. The player count is terrible for dust. All the big dreams ccp had are gone and dead right now. CCP needs to see if the current and super ****** design can scale or not. Better to learn now rather than later that is can scale or not So would you rather quickly push out PC and open it up everywhere and see if it works, which I think it would fail. I made this same post a while back and was pushing for it to open up as well. But looking at the numbers I have to agree the idea of having it open now it would take such a long time to actually see some real combat, yeah it could pontentially spawn some fights but still there really isn't anything in PC to give back to the Dust player except passive isk generation. All I'm getting at is build something that would give us a reason to fight other than random isk, and vendettas. So what if it takes dev time, I'd venture to say the time to dev my idea vs the time it would take to see any real open warfare in your idea would probably be close due to the sheer size of New Eden. Plus there's always Faction Warfare they could start investing in, too. This would set dust apart..
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3235	Posted - 2013.08.22 16:55:00 - [22] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Why increase? No one wants MH or are prepared to fight for it Look at it now, corps which cannot fight do not get, except planet fight club which should be burned tbh Why should more be added? EoN would only end up taking most of it, and half the corps only want more space so they can click on a button to buy it and not actually have to fight for it All those people who were laughed at when they predicted the blue donut. WELP.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 980	Posted - 2013.08.22 16:56:00 - [23] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: VEXation Gunn wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Why increase? No one wants MH or are prepared to fight for it Look at it now, corps which cannot fight do not get, except planet fight club which should be burned tbh Why should more be added? EoN would only end up taking most of it, and half the corps only want more space so they can click on a button to buy it and not actually have to fight for it player count be damned really. Per many eve nerds that have commented on districts its just the location. If you opened districts in better parts of space or in nullsec you will make eve nerds happy. I mean really what else does dust have to offer? PC as of now is lame because eve nerds don't care about the districts. Worse than that is PC is just passive farming for dust players (isk is still bad motivation too) plus at 10k districts eon cant even think to take them all. Beyond that it will allow everyone into PC. I think it will also fall into line with ccp's idea that player skill should really have no effect on PC. So basically open everything up so everyone can have a piece of the pie and we all play farmville without attacking anyone because the pie is that ******* massive I think moving to active farming is a must (something I didn't want to address really in this thread) and do away with passive farming. I would think any system would show that its about activity so owning a district makes you zero isk. So there is no point for eon to own 1k districts if it cant actively farm them. How would you active farm then? Assuming you have a district
VEXation Gunn Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 331	Posted - 2013.08.22 16:59:00 - [24] - Quote Jay Westen wrote: VEXation Gunn wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Jay Westen wrote: Why not kill a majority of the "generated" market and move to a more player-built economy. Instead of using space 'roids for ground pounder equipment, manufacturing takes place on planets with a new infrastructure such as extractors and manufacturing industry. This would drive the reason to own planets in dust and kill the passive ISK generation. Exactly. So that requires so much more design and dev time. I'm just trying to push dust forward here. My big point is PC is the only thing in dust to do but it needs to be expanded. I mean really does anyone play pub matches and say "yeah i'm gonna give ccp money and play this instead of titan fall"? pubs are bad and no reason to even play them besides sp. The player count is terrible for dust. All the big dreams ccp had are gone and dead right now. CCP needs to see if the current and super ****** design can scale or not. Better to learn now rather than later that is can scale or not So would you rather quickly push out PC and open it up everywhere and see if it works, which I think it would fail. I made this same post a while back and was pushing for it to open up as well. But looking at the numbers I have to agree the idea of having it open now it would take such a long time to actually see some real combat, yeah it could pontentially spawn some fights but still there really isn't anything in PC to give back to the Dust player except passive isk generation. All I'm getting at is build something that would give us a reason to fight other than random isk, and vendettas. So what if it takes dev time, I'd venture to say the time to dev my idea vs the time it would take to see any real open warfare in your idea would probably be close due to the sheer size of New Eden. Plus there's always Faction Warfare they could start investing in, too. This would set dust apart.. You misunderstand when I say design and dev time I mean the effort involved in bring these game elements to dust. CCP has spent years and years with what we have now. We all know the slow rate of development with dust not to mention how poor most of dust has been. To even bring a player farmed resources & manufacturing to dust isn't something that can happen anytime soon regardless of how much it would improve dust. beyond that I don't think just adding new elements to dust has anything to do with the idea of just expanding PC
VEXation Gunn Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 331	Posted - 2013.08.22 17:03:00 - [25] - Quote [/quote] How would you active farm then? Assuming you have a district [/quote] Off the top of my head all I got is - Each district has random resources that vary in rarity. - No passive isk or resource generation -Via very very tough pve players would kill baddies and receive resources -If there is no market for resources then players can turn in x,y,z resources to npc corps for isk or gear.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 982	Posted - 2013.08.22 17:15:00 - [26] - Quote VEXation Gunn wrote: How would you active farm then? Assuming you have a district [/quote] Off the top of my head all I got is - Each district has random resources that vary in rarity. - No passive isk or resource generation -Via very very tough pve players would kill baddies and receive resources -If there is no market for resources then players can turn in x,y,z resources to npc corps for isk or gear. [/quote] So PVE on your own district Would it only spawn once or what
VEXation Gunn Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 331	Posted - 2013.08.22 17:25:00 - [27] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: VEXation Gunn wrote: How would you active farm then? Assuming you have a district Off the top of my head all I got is - Each district has random resources that vary in rarity. - No passive isk or resource generation -Via very very tough pve players would kill baddies and receive resources -If there is no market for resources then players can turn in x,y,z resources to npc corps for isk or gear. [/quote] So PVE on your own district Would it only spawn once or what[/quote] I'll just leave it at the high level for now but there are many ways to make this active. I think that should happen if we have 250 or 250k districts. Side note: If a district is doing pve I think is should be only fair to allow baddies to raid the districts and if they win they get the isk/resources. This will make the meta game and spying have purpose


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