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Sky Dovahkiin
WAR LIONS
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:25:00 -
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Am the only one who thinks, that mass drivers, should have at least, less blast radius? |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4496
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:30:00 -
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It did, it broke the weapon. The mass driver has the lowest DPS out of almost every light weapon and the 3rd slowest reload speed. It's an area denial weapon that's working as intended, but can be abused by people that throw 3 levels into it and try to use it as a shotgun. Even so, you can easily work around this by flanking, getting a height advantage, or taking them out from a range. Things like hiding behind cover or trying to rush an anti-rush weapon only leads to bad results. The weapon is designed to be a niche weapon and like any niche weapon it performs well in that niche, forcing you to learn how to use different tactics. Don't treat it like an assault rifle and use my above recommendations on how to handle the weapon.
PS counting 6 shots and bum rushing a mass driver can work too- at your own risk. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3469
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:30:00 -
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It's the new FoTM.
*waits for all the noobtubers to come and defend it* |
Sky Dovahkiin
WAR LIONS
11
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:33:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:It did, it broke the weapon. The mass driver has the lowest DPS out of almost every light weapon and the 3rd slowest reload speed. It's an area denial weapon that's working as intended, but can be abused by people that throw 3 levels into it and try to use it as a shotgun. Even so, you can easily work around this by flanking, getting a height advantage, or taking them out from a range. Things like hiding behind cover or trying to rush an anti-rush weapon only leads to bad results. The weapon is designed to be a niche weapon and like any niche weapon it performs well in that niche, forcing you to learn how to use different tactics. Don't treat it like an assault rifle and use my above recommendations on how to handle the weapon.
PS counting 6 shots and bum rushing a mass driver can work too- at your own risk.
Thanks again, friend, makes sense. |
Spycrab Potato
Hold-Your-Fire
266
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:34:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:It's the new FoTM.
*waits for all the noobtubers to come and defend it* FoTM, maybe. Will I stand my ground until Dust itself dies(SoonTM), of course. |
Sky Dovahkiin
WAR LIONS
11
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:35:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:It's the new FoTM.
*waits for all the noobtubers to come and defend it*
FoTM? |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4496
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:38:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:It's the new FoTM.
*waits for all the noobtubers to come and defend it* I remember a time when the HMG was the FotM. When everyone moved on, dedicated heavies still remained and still use it to this day. I've been using the MD since mid Chrome, I'm using it now, and when a new FotM arises- guess what? I'm still going to be using it. I hear lasers are rising in popularity. I'll give the MD until 1.4 before we see people complaining about those, calling Dust Laser Tag 514 or something. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
247
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:43:00 -
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The MD is still not as powerful as in Chromosome. What is a new phenomenon is it becoming as another poster put it, a shotgun substitute, I think that has much to do with scouts and minmatar assaults using the weapon where they can effectively jump backwards and get you in close without killing themselves so that the bum rush the MD user tactic is not as effective as it was back in Chromosome. But I agree it is working well as intended and can be bested with different tactics. I used to use it all the time before, now I use it on only my Dren logi and think it's pretty balanced |
Chris F2112
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
330
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:50:00 -
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While it is the best weapon right now, it's far less broken than the tac or the Viziam were in previous builds. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4499
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:50:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:The MD is still not as powerful as in Chromosome. What is a new phenomenon is it becoming as another poster put it, a shotgun substitute, I think that has much to do with scouts and minmatar assaults using the weapon where they can effectively jump backwards and get you in close without killing themselves so that the bum rush the MD user tactic is not as effective as it was back in Chromosome. But I agree it is working well as intended and can be bested with different tactics. I used to use it all the time before, now I use it on only my Dren logi and think it's pretty balanced Hit detection/Aiming issues has people flocking to splash damage weapon at the moment. Hopefully when this is addressed in 1.4 we won't have this problem anymore. The mass driver is in a really good place right now where it can compete with other in its own niche, but fail miserably outside it. Anything they try to do to change it, is going to break the weapon again. Instead of nerfing yet another weapon, other niche weapons need to be buffed as well so that they can perform in their niche as well. For example, the shotgun and laser have always been a good hard counter to the mass driver. |
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
572
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:17:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:
PS counting 6 shots and bum rushing a mass driver can work too- at your own risk.
Sometimes I fire off only 5 to give them a false sense of security. I call it a "dirty hairy".
Dirty Harry wrote: I know what you're thinking, punk. You're thinking "did he fire six shots or only five?" Now to tell you the truth I forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this is a Freedom, the most powerful Mass Driver in New Eden and will blow you head clean off, you've gotta ask yourself a question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?
Oh and BTW, once aim assist and hit detection are fixed you can expect other weapons to dominate. The problem now is that explosions are one of the few things that dominate armor, once more projectile equipment is released I could imagine seeing the MD falling behind.
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8213
Grade No.2
174
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:19:00 -
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What the F is a Mass Driver?? |
Omareth Nasadra
QcGOLD
33
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:20:00 -
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strangely, when i attempt to direct hit in people faces or chest i end up most of the time having no hit register or shot just passing through, but when they run away i always end up hitting them in the back pack, just like a magnet |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
404
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:23:00 -
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Sky Dovahkiin wrote:Am i the only one who thinks, that mass drivers, should have at least, less blast radius? Yes. You're also the only person to ever make a thread talking about Mass Driver nerfs.
Its actually pretty strange that no one has thought to bring it up before. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4502
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:24:00 -
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Omareth Nasadra wrote:strangely, when i attempt to direct hit in people faces or chest i end up most of the time having no hit register or shot just passing through, but when they run away i always end up hitting them in the back pack, just like a magnet The splash damage fixes in 1.2 aren't 100% perfect. It actually used to happen all the time in earlier builds and worsened in Uprising. There's still a debate on whether the splash is calculated on a 3-D plane or not as well. |
Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
242
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:45:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:It did, it broke the weapon. The mass driver has the lowest DPS out of almost every light weapon and the 3rd slowest reload speed. It's an area denial weapon that's working as intended, but can be abused by people that throw 3 levels into it and try to use it as a shotgun. Even so, you can easily work around this by flanking, getting a height advantage, or taking them out from a range. Things like hiding behind cover or trying to rush an anti-rush weapon only leads to bad results. The weapon is designed to be a niche weapon and like any niche weapon it performs well in that niche, forcing you to learn how to use different tactics. Don't treat it like an assault rifle and use my above recommendations on how to handle the weapon.
PS counting 6 shots and bum rushing a mass driver can work too- at your own risk.
Its low DPs makes up for it in splash damage... |
Sky Dovahkiin
WAR LIONS
14
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:47:00 -
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8213 wrote:What the F is a Mass Driver??
Its a grenade launcher. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
380
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:56:00 -
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It's an Rpg that shoots 6 consecutive rounds. We had this in COD and it's annoying. While it can take skill to use, it is too effective outside of its intended range (medium). It's silly how they can be used as shotguns in cqc, Do ppl not rely on their sidearms anymore? Doesn't make sense that in cqc the noobtuber escapes not even scratched. Look at the damage dealt, the range, and then their eHP. Silly. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3473
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:04:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:It's the new FoTM.
*waits for all the noobtubers to come and defend it* I remember a time when the HMG was the FotM. When everyone moved on, dedicated heavies still remained and still use it to this day. I've been using the MD since mid Chrome, I'm using it now, and when a new FotM arises- guess what? I'm still going to be using it. I hear lasers are rising in popularity. I'll give the MD until 1.4 before we see people complaining about those, calling Dust Laser Tag 514 or something.
don't think HMG's were EVER FoTM. I remember people cried about them for months though. The most heavies I would see in a lobby was 3-5 back in Chromosome days. Even then every weapon would be considered FoTM cuz every weapon was OP. Viziam, the MD's, AR's.
Just now things are being balanced more often, so people switching to the FoTM more often.
Tact. rifle > FLP > MD's
Wonder what will be the next weapon in line...lasers? |
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