|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1566
|
Posted - 2013.08.21 19:14:00 -
[1] - Quote
It's like CCP Dust514 is a different company than CCP Eve online all together...
The devs in Iceland better notice how much of a wreck the current team s doing... |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1567
|
Posted - 2013.08.21 19:20:00 -
[2] - Quote
btw expect people to ignore your post |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1569
|
Posted - 2013.08.21 19:30:00 -
[3] - Quote
Beren Hurin wrote:Lets say, the minute that something was decided to be a feature, at what point do they include the community?
The second they decide? When they have the design goals for the feature? When they have the code in draft form? When they have proved the principle of the design goals on a working play-test? When they are finalizing the code for the new feature? When they are bug testing the design/feature? When they are theory testing the design goals of the new feature and its relationship to other older features? When they are about to finalize a content lock on the coming update? When they decide they can combine a few additional features around the same code creating a bigger feature? After they code lock the coming update?
All of these are happening along a dynamic development timeline. If they DID include some FORUM based community feedback...
Who would they listen to? How long would they have to listen? How would they prove they listened? How would we be sure they listened? How are they accountable for changes if we say 'scrap it'?
Including such random voices as "the community" would really cause too much noise for a designer. Feedback has to be well articulated and focused.
Inevitably, we would hear about new features under development and want feature x.1 x.2 and x.3 as well with no understanding behind the teamwork, capabilities, resources, and restrictions of the managers and technicians working on whatever is proposed.
So why does Eve online do it that way.
And why does it work for eve online but not for dust 514? |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1569
|
Posted - 2013.08.21 19:36:00 -
[4] - Quote
Mamertine Son wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:Lets say, the minute that something was decided to be a feature, at what point do they include the community?
The second they decide? When they have the design goals for the feature? When they have the code in draft form? When they have proved the principle of the design goals on a working play-test? When they are finalizing the code for the new feature? When they are bug testing the design/feature? When they are theory testing the design goals of the new feature and its relationship to other older features? When they are about to finalize a content lock on the coming update? When they decide they can combine a few additional features around the same code creating a bigger feature? After they code lock the coming update?
All of these are happening along a dynamic development timeline. If they DID include some FORUM based community feedback...
Who would they listen to? How long would they have to listen? How would they prove they listened? How would we be sure they listened? How are they accountable for changes if we say 'scrap it'?
Including such random voices as "the community" would really cause too much noise for a designer. Feedback has to be well articulated and focused.
Inevitably, we would hear about new features under development and want feature x.1 x.2 and x.3 as well with no understanding behind the teamwork, capabilities, resources, and restrictions of the managers and technicians working on whatever is proposed. da truf
If it was the truth than eve would be failing hard and Dust would be soaring. It's not.
that post is basically a big "Player feedback isn't important it's too much noise" |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1570
|
Posted - 2013.08.21 19:41:00 -
[5] - Quote
Argo Filch wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:
So why does Eve online do it that way.
And why does it work for eve online but not for dust 514?
Eve has SiSi where features can be tested and as i said most sticky posts on the eve-o forums are for iteration stuff.
That is BS, you want me to link you to at least 100 dev blogs where CCP made changes based on player feedback on the forums before anything was on the test server? Because I've been here for 9 years I could do it. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1570
|
Posted - 2013.08.21 20:08:00 -
[6] - Quote
Argo Filch wrote:crazy space 1 wrote: That is BS, you want me to link you to at least 100 dev blogs where CCP made changes based on player feedback on the forums before anything was on the test server? Because I've been here for 9 years I could do it.
Start linking then. i concede to you if you reach 50 links. And i mean features, like the new scanning interface and stuff, and not devblogs where they proposed number changes to stuff that already existed in game, and that them goons math people dissected after a week and proved bullshit.
Why not? Dust randomly changes the numbers of things like sprint speed, weapons balance without telling anyone or putting it in the patch notes.
But sure I'll start posting main features they changed based on playerfeedback before SiSi |
|
|
|