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Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1520	Posted - 2013.08.21 05:18:00 - [1] - Quote As a scout, I like my ability to outrun heavier frames. However it came to my realization, that I was only marginally faster, and I mean by a damn hair: G - Light MLT 162 Armor 87 Shields Speeds: 5.45 / 7.63 Stamina Specs: 200/ 18 recharge rate/ 20 Second Sprint Duration M - Medium MLT 169 Armor 187 Shields Speeds: 5.3 / 7.42 Stamina Specs: 200/ 15.3 recharge rate/ 17.5 second sprint duration That means at full sprint G Light covers 152.6 meters M Medium covers 129.85 meters Difference: 22.75 meters C Medium MLT 150 Armor 262 Shields Speeds: 5 / 7 Stamina Specs: 150/15 recharge rate/15 second sprint duration Now, we have our 3 factors. Looking between the Minmatar and Gallente suits here we find that the Gallente is a mere 22.75 meters ahead of the M Medium after a full sprint. That seems reasonable, the Gallente only has slightly less armor. But wait! The caldari is in fact, slower than the minmatar and has less armor! So, that means that innate armor appears to have nothing to do with innate speeds! It's just a relationship that seems to be slapped on. Caldari < Minmatar : Armor Caldari < Minmatar: Speed So that is an odd relationship, armor had nothing to do with the minmatar being faster than the caldari. Then why is the Gallente Light only barely ahead of the minmatar medium? The Minmatar medium has +100 shields, +7 armor, only for -0.15/-0.21 in speed. On top of that it has superior CPU by a lot but I won't go there. This is an issue. If something that has 107 more innate health than me is only 22.75 meters away from me, that is SMG range mind you, then who the hell wants to be a gallente light frame? CCP you must address these speed gaps amongst classes. They are far too small to have a scout prove viable because for a mere subtraction of up to .21 meters per second you can have 107 more health. This gap must be widened or scouts, gallente and amarr in the future in specific, will have no point in existence when a barely noticeable speed difference separates 107 health! Note This need not be light frame specific but I am not versed in the Heavy -> Medium world
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1521	Posted - 2013.08.21 06:13:00 - [2] - Quote Updated to involve Militia Minmatar Light frame stats
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1532	Posted - 2013.08.21 18:45:00 - [3] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Great stuff, Bojo! Aeon's earlier tests demonstrated that the severity of hitbox displacement was directly related to sprint speed. That said, I suspect that mechanics/performance may have necessitated a speed cap on Scouts. If so, it would make sense to slow down other frames, such that a meaningful speed gap could be attained. - Shotty Yes this is true. I was thinking that a way to go about this is to group suits of the same frame closer together in speed but that would sort of defeat any advantages gained by using Minmatar suits. The best solution is to A) Do serious hitbox work. When bugs have been abolished, speed up scouts and mediums but according to plan so speed gaps are greater and then do some more hitbox work because we all know it will still be an issue. I'm not tech savvy so....
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1536	Posted - 2013.08.21 21:47:00 - [4] - Quote Epicsting pro wrote: Amarr scout FTW it should leave a trail of fire behind him. It be a laser light show. Yes, I am looking out for Amarr Scouts. Imagine how slow and close to the Minmatar Medium they would be. It would be wasteful unless speed gaps are widened.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1546	Posted - 2013.08.22 18:52:00 - [5] - Quote Yeah, this is primarily for the gallente scouts, because lord knows we are at odds.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1557	Posted - 2013.08.23 17:36:00 - [6] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: also minja is supposed to be faster :P so if yall get a speed increasei wants one too. at least the difference between Minja and Ganja is 37 HP, and not 107.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1574	Posted - 2013.08.26 18:47:00 - [7] - Quote this is necessary folks!
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1634	Posted - 2013.08.29 23:07:00 - [8] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Confirming Sinboto Simmons is a ninja... want proof... well you wont find any... because hes a ninja OK, for one thing Sinboto is not as ninja as DTO because DTO does not leave a forum presence as much a sinboto does. Anyways I still find that we need speed gaps to be widened.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1660	Posted - 2013.09.04 21:22:00 - [9] - Quote With the new aiming, scouts are getting SHREDDED It is imperative to WSGBF, for the survival of the lightest frame.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2122	Posted - 2013.10.05 18:07:00 - [10] - Quote This can't be forgotten! Most scouts tell me that Speed Tanking is dead because it's wasted space, the difference doesn't make a difference. Something to do with AA. IDK, but a basal speed buff could result in a further potent speed tank ability but I don't think it should be overdone, Don't want OP scouts

Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2132	Posted - 2013.10.06 15:36:00 - [11] - Quote Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: This may be deemed heresy, but ... actually, I don't see that the Gal Scout (which I admittedly run as an alternative fit rather than a primary) is really designed to speed tank. More, "I am sneakier than you, see more than you, and can find that one hole to slip through your defenses and shotgun you in the small of the back." It's stealth-tanked, benefitting from short moves from cover to cover while the Minja is sprinting from A to B and usually only actively seeking cover when taking fire. It's less "ZOOOOOOM," more "sneak, sneak, sneak, BLAM, sneak, sneak." I'm not saying you're entirely wrong, Bojo, but I think I'd rather see a scout buff in the form of expanded sensor coverage than a speed boost. Make us (and especially Gallente) more ... y'know ... scout-ish. Actually my sensors are pretty fine, it's just impossible for any scout to get their precision as low as their profile. I got 20 meter coverage and avoid ADV scanners just fine. However it's my inability to escape an HMG or AR that reall gets me. I go up close, make a racket, then I pull out and an HMG tears through my armor in less than a second an I die. I rarely make getaways as a Gallente Scout it's just out of my reach all the time. A Minmatar Logi is like an Upgraded Gallente Scout. Supreme shields, innate armor repair, fastest hacking, tons of equipment (but no sidearm!), much better module count/lineage, better CPU/PG, and only subpar in speed by a hair. I am sneaky but guess what, LOS detects anything despite profile. There's no way you can prevent someone scraping their crosshairs over you by chance and picking up your chevron. Sure, Scouts are dastardly things when no one has detected them at all, but really a flawed system is working against us and lowering profile is not going to stop that. I don't speed tank at all actually I dedicate most my resources to stealth mods, shields, and armor reps. I honestly feel forced to play Ground Thumper because I am not like assassin material. I don't have speed mods I can't be The Blur. I get to be The Inverted Magic Trick; now you don't see me, oh now you do.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2133	Posted - 2013.10.07 00:09:00 - [12] - Quote Oh no I am in agreement on a buff base scan radius, but even then we could have way powerful range in just one complex mod. No I am looking at this from the inevitable confrontation stand point. If a scout runs into a situation (lets say by accident) they should be able to run away from said confrontation when the scout realizes the level of severity. Honestly scouts are tissue paper there's not a second to lose when you're getting pummeled by AR's and HMGs, but it just seems like a feeble attempt. It seems like I can only gain barely more than a meter per second from the heavy. All they need to do is sprint- follow me to an optimum location and lay down the fire, and in a straight away or short turn radius I am doomed. Not saying heavies are a large problem but they can cut through scouts very fast sometimes. What I am saying is that our lack of health doesn't seem to warrant this kind of speed.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2164	Posted - 2013.10.09 20:50:00 - [13] - Quote Hagintora wrote: Would this achieve the desired effect? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114616&find=unread Wanted to post directly to this thread, but couldn't find it. Got pushed further back than I thought it had. Yes, those look like some wonderful number breakdowns.... +1
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2166	Posted - 2013.10.10 00:44:00 - [14] - Quote Light Frames should all share the trait of being the fastest and the minmatar light the king in it's rightful throne at that class for speed. I'm not saying that a defining racial characteristic should be removed, but the light frames are lacking in Speed when compared to the abilities of medium frames.

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