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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:12:00 -
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I'm not a business major or anything, but from the looks of CCP's books, this game can survive in it's current state, and snails pace development. CCP not only is continuously growing EVE subscribers, but with the prospect of Valkyrie in the future adding some life to not only the company, but also the whole EVE "franchise" . The bumps this game has had can be overcome. This does not mean that this game is in an acceptable state, it just means that CCP can continue to make this game grow on their end, with the development of feature that will bring in more players.
I come from EVE so I'm in this game for the long run, whether that means it ends tomorrow, or goes on for another decade. For the past couple of years CCP has been working on this game with no extra source of income, at least now they have a reasonable player base to partially support itself.
I wouldn't want them to take too many resources from EVE to prop up DUST. I honestly think that if that were an issue CCP wouldn't allow this to carry on, but the books don't lie that development hasn't hurt EVE yet. Now it is true that EVE has slowed some of it's development since Incarna, evidence being that we are still stuck in our captains quarters, but to be fair without something meaningful in it like cross game interaction, it's better the resources were spent working on other things (like the scanner changes in Odyssey).
CCP has a history of making a great game through player feedback but to be fair, EVE was allowed to grow at a snails pace because at the time, it didn't have any direct competition. In the MMO world you choose one game and EVE filled a unique niche, making it hard to push out, even with it's relatively smaller numbers. There have been no other MMOs since that have been able to sustain themselves like EVE except for WOW, which doesn't stand to compete with EVE too much anymore and is on a decline.
So now we come to where DUST has one of it's core problem. It has competition, even with F2P it has a lot to be compared too. Hit detection and balance could be overlooked, if hadn't been done and worked so well in so many other games. Not to mention basic matchmaking and single player modes that keep it fun for all while still remaining competitive, there are so many things that have become standards in FPS games that are completely absent in DUST. The only advantage of being an FPS is there not being a subscription cost, players don't have to play just one FPS, and can still come back to DUST in the future.
So where does that leave us now? Even with the fixes in the past few months, most of the games strength comes from the hope of it's potential, and the history of EVE.
To the players I say, be honest, fair, and reasonable. If you can't be patient, then please stop filling these forums with so much negativity, and go do something else, we are still just glorified beta testers and I can't imagine you would be paying to play this game if some of you are as upset as you are on these forums. The frustration comes from a disappointment we all feel, but we can't let that get in the way of progress.
To CCP, do what you have to in order to make the future vision a reality, but don't neglect all the time and effort so many of us are willing to put into helping make this game better through constructive feedback and ideas. I don't need the Aurum as much as you need my cash, but when I have enough I use my spare funds to support you guys and make this work.
The first step on the worlds of New Eden have been more of stumble, but you are strong enough to get up and take this game all the way.
TL;DR just read it, or reread the title |
General John Ripper
The Generals EoN.
2002
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:16:00 -
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Whenever I got sick I had some hot tea with honey in it and it always helped. |
N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
1036
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:17:00 -
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Agreed. It just needs one or 2 great updates, i guess you could say it needs a spoonful or 2 of buckley's medicine.
It tastes awful. But it works |
GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
286
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:21:00 -
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Sorry but now that PS4 is coming in November and real AAA's are being released starting on September17th dust is on its last breath. |
Iago Templar
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
16
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:23:00 -
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+1 it irritates me to see so much vitriol on these forums.
I like constructive feedback, but threatening to leave the game is just throwing your toys out of the pram.
If you don't like this game Go play another and leave this one to those of us who are knuckling under and helping something truly brilliant get off the ground. |
Sampson David
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
42
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:24:00 -
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So are you saying like flu sick where you just tough it out? Or cancer sick where it needs lots of radiation to get better? |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
557
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:24:00 -
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GTA-V FTW wrote:Sorry but now that PS4 is coming in November and real AAA's are being released starting on September17th dust is on its last breath.
If you truly believed that then why are you still here? Why waste your time?
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SATAN'S PRODIGY
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
41
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:24:00 -
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Dust 514 is dead. Reality. |
HandOGod
Taints of Tartarus
78
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:26:00 -
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That explains the leeches... |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
628
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:27:00 -
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Iago Templar wrote:+1 it irritates me to see so much vitriol on these forums.
I like constructive feedback, but threatening to leave the game is just throwing your toys out of the pram.
If you don't like this game Go play another and leave this one to those of us who are knuckling under and helping something truly brilliant get off the ground.
Well said. |
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DS 10
Pure Innocence. EoN.
754
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:29:00 -
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General John Ripper wrote:Whenever I got sick I had some hot tea with honey in it and it always helped.
I prefer the shot or seven of whiskey. |
GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
286
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:31:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:GTA-V FTW wrote:Sorry but now that PS4 is coming in November and real AAA's are being released starting on September17th dust is on its last breath. If you truly believed that then why are you still here? Why waste your time? I need a time filler till September 17th and this game is F2P. I have been around since private beta and this game has not gotten any better since then and in fact it has gone backwards. Meh broke game is broke game, but hey forum trolling is always fun and not broke. |
ThePlanetside2Bomber
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:32:00 -
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Yeah dust is sick all right, with terminal Cancer. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
558
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:43:00 -
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GTA-V FTW wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:GTA-V FTW wrote:Sorry but now that PS4 is coming in November and real AAA's are being released starting on September17th dust is on its last breath. If you truly believed that then why are you still here? Why waste your time? I need a time filler till September 17th and this game is F2P. I have been around since private beta and this game has not gotten any better since then and in fact it has gone backwards. Meh broke game is broke game, but hey forum trolling is always fun and not broke.
It's funny how the countless players who say other games are so much better than this one still choose to play this game over the others. Is everyone really so tired of playing COD and BF? I bet you can't wait for the next one that will be loads of.... the same. At least your honest about trolling for sport.
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Smooth Assassin
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:45:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:I'm not a business major or anything, but from the looks of CCP's books, this game can survive in it's current state, and snails pace development. CCP not only is continuously growing EVE subscribers, but with the prospect of Valkyrie in the future adding some life to not only the company, but also the whole EVE "franchise" . The bumps this game has had can be overcome. This does not mean that this game is in an acceptable state, it just means that CCP can continue to make this game grow on their end, with the development of feature that will bring in more players. I come from EVE so I'm in this game for the long run, whether that means it ends tomorrow, or goes on for another decade. For the past couple of years CCP has been working on this game with no extra source of income, at least now they have a reasonable player base to partially support itself. I wouldn't want them to take too many resources from EVE to prop up DUST. I honestly think that if that were an issue CCP wouldn't allow this to carry on, but the books don't lie that development hasn't hurt EVE yet. Now it is true that EVE has slowed some of it's development since Incarna, evidence being that we are still stuck in our captains quarters, but to be fair without something meaningful in it like cross game interaction, it's better the resources were spent working on other things (like the scanner changes in Odyssey). CCP has a history of making a great game through player feedback but to be fair, EVE was allowed to grow at a snails pace because at the time, it didn't have any direct competition. In the MMO world you choose one game and EVE filled a unique niche, making it hard to push out, even with it's relatively smaller numbers. There have been no other MMOs since that have been able to sustain themselves like EVE except for WOW, which doesn't stand to compete with EVE too much anymore and is on a decline. So now we come to where DUST has one of it's core problem. It has competition, even with F2P it has a lot to be compared too. Hit detection and balance could be overlooked, if hadn't been done and worked so well in so many other games. Not to mention basic matchmaking and single player modes that keep it fun for all while still remaining competitive, there are so many things that have become standards in FPS games that are completely absent in DUST. The only advantage of being an FPS is there not being a subscription cost, players don't have to play just one FPS, and can still come back to DUST in the future. So where does that leave us now? Even with the fixes in the past few months, most of the games strength comes from the hope of it's potential, and the history of EVE. To the players I say, be honest, fair, and reasonable. If you can't be patient, then please stop filling these forums with so much negativity, and go do something else, we are still just glorified beta testers and I can't imagine you would be paying to play this game if some of you are as upset as you are on these forums. The frustration comes from a disappointment we all feel, but we can't let that get in the way of progress. To CCP, do what you have to in order to make the future vision a reality, but don't neglect all the time and effort so many of us are willing to put into helping make this game better through constructive feedback and ideas. I don't need the Aurum as much as you need my cash, but when I have enough I use my spare funds to support you guys and make this work. The first step on the worlds of New Eden have been more of stumble, but you are strong enough to get up and take this game all the way. TL;DR just read it, or reread the title Somehow i feel like EVE players hate dust |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
558
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:56:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:[Somehow i feel like EVE players hate dust
I don't, and I know a lot of other EVE players that want to welcome you to the universe.
There are those in EVE who don't like the idea of resources being taken away from their game in order to make a game for a console. There is also a group of bigots, made up of PC players that look down on consoles, many who had hoped the game would be on PC. When you have vast power in EVE the prospect of any power being shifted to somewhere out of your control, you'll get angry. There are many reasons, but just like on these forums the loudest aren't necessarily the majority.
I on the other hand want to rattle some cages, to make EVE a little more interesting again. |
element0mega
Elements Of Death Elite
50
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Posted - 2013.08.20 23:03:00 -
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By any statistical measure, Dust was dead on arrival: http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust
Most publishers would have killed it already. That said, hopefully CCP will listen to the intelligent people *cough* https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101656&find=unread *cough* and fix it, but, I'm sadly afraid they won't. |
GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
286
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Posted - 2013.08.20 23:04:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:GTA-V FTW wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:GTA-V FTW wrote:Sorry but now that PS4 is coming in November and real AAA's are being released starting on September17th dust is on its last breath. If you truly believed that then why are you still here? Why waste your time? I need a time filler till September 17th and this game is F2P. I have been around since private beta and this game has not gotten any better since then and in fact it has gone backwards. Meh broke game is broke game, but hey forum trolling is always fun and not broke. It's funny how the countless players who say other games are so much better than this one still choose to play this game over the others. Is everyone really so tired of playing COD and BF? I bet you can't wait for the next one that will be loads of.... the same. At least your honest about trolling for sport. I don't play those other games either. I had hope for this game and lost it. Oh well there is light at the end of this tunnel and DUST is not in that light. |
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