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Jay Sterling
Amplitude. Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2013.08.19 09:00:00 -
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DUST has got a bad review from MMORPG.com:
You can read it here
In my opinion, this is one review that really matters. When people think of playing a new MMO, many of them will read the reviews on this website (I know I do).
As a result, the reviews written on this website are read for many years to come.
It's not the same as a review in a magazine that will be forgotten next month.
CCP need to do something that will make websites like this re-review in a more positive light.
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RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.19 09:07:00 -
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Jay Sterling wrote:
CCP need to do something that will make websites like this re-review in a more positive light.
1.4, 1.5 etc , I hope.... |
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Michael Arck
sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.08.19 09:16:00 -
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That was a terrible review which reads like somebody from the forums wrote it.
I say this, EVE was pooped on when it first arrived. People cried about that being too difficult or dismissing it as "spreadsheets in space".
10 years later it thrives on, no one is saying anything and the core community keeps on playing.
EVE is not commercially appealing and yet it does extremely well. This will happen with Dust. It's just not a commercially appealing title. I mean c'mon, he's complaining about bland colors of Dust 514? Since when the reputation of New Eden warrants vibrant coloring? The world is dark and grim.
He complains about Dust difficulty and then he goes to play Demon's Souls. |
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RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.19 09:25:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:That was a terrible review which reads like somebody from the forums wrote it.
I say this, EVE was pooped on when it first arrived. People cried about that being too difficult or dismissing it as "spreadsheets in space".
10 years later it thrives on, no one is saying anything and the core community keeps on playing.
EVE is not commercially appealing and yet it does extremely well. This will happen with Dust. It's just not a commercially appealing title. I mean c'mon, he's complaining about bland colors of Dust 514? Since when the reputation of New Eden warrants vibrant coloring? The world is dark and grim.
He complains about Dust difficulty and then he goes to play Demon's Souls.
I'm tired of this assumption that EVE being successful despite a bad release inevitably means Dust will be successful too if we stick it out. I gets bandied about far too often without any supporting evidence.
I hope Dust is successful, but I'd rather stay realistically open-minded than unrealistically optimistic. If CCP plays their cards right Dust 514 could one day be far bigger than EVE. Here's hoping. |
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Jay Sterling
Amplitude. Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2013.08.19 09:29:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:That was a terrible review which reads like somebody from the forums wrote it.
I say this, EVE was pooped on when it first arrived. People cried about that being too difficult or dismissing it as "spreadsheets in space".
10 years later it thrives on, no one is saying anything and the core community keeps on playing.
EVE is not commercially appealing and yet it does extremely well. This will happen with Dust. It's just not a commercially appealing title. I mean c'mon, he's complaining about bland colors of Dust 514? Since when the reputation of New Eden warrants vibrant coloring? The world is dark and grim.
He complains about Dust difficulty and then he goes to play Demon's Souls.
No - just think that CCP have been incredibly lucky - they haven't had any serious competition in their field for 10 years.
For example, since the introduction of wormhole space and T3 ships, there hasn't really been anything noteworthy.
More importantly, if serious competion happened, I don't think that CCP have the resources, will, or innovative drive to adapt.
EVR at E3 was flashy, but it's just going to turn into another DUST. |
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Michael Arck
sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.08.19 09:33:00 -
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RedRebelCork wrote:Michael Arck wrote:That was a terrible review which reads like somebody from the forums wrote it.
I say this, EVE was pooped on when it first arrived. People cried about that being too difficult or dismissing it as "spreadsheets in space".
10 years later it thrives on, no one is saying anything and the core community keeps on playing.
EVE is not commercially appealing and yet it does extremely well. This will happen with Dust. It's just not a commercially appealing title. I mean c'mon, he's complaining about bland colors of Dust 514? Since when the reputation of New Eden warrants vibrant coloring? The world is dark and grim.
He complains about Dust difficulty and then he goes to play Demon's Souls. I'm tired of this assumption that EVE being successful despite a bad release inevitably means Dust will be successful too if we stick it out. It gets bandied about far too often without any supporting evidence. I hope Dust is successful, but I'd rather stay realistically open-minded than unrealistically optimistic. If CCP plays their cards right Dust 514 could one day be far bigger than EVE. Here's hoping.
Assumption in one instance, logical the next. You sound like that old man from Gran Torino. It's not being unrealistically optimistic, it's having strong faith in a product. Go find a stripper and a hug man, that drought is killing you. And why would Dust 514 be bigger than EVE when the plan is to combine them two to make one huge universe? |
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RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.19 09:44:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:RedRebelCork wrote:Michael Arck wrote:That was a terrible review which reads like somebody from the forums wrote it.
I say this, EVE was pooped on when it first arrived. People cried about that being too difficult or dismissing it as "spreadsheets in space".
10 years later it thrives on, no one is saying anything and the core community keeps on playing.
EVE is not commercially appealing and yet it does extremely well. This will happen with Dust. It's just not a commercially appealing title. I mean c'mon, he's complaining about bland colors of Dust 514? Since when the reputation of New Eden warrants vibrant coloring? The world is dark and grim.
He complains about Dust difficulty and then he goes to play Demon's Souls. I'm tired of this assumption that EVE being successful despite a bad release inevitably means Dust will be successful too if we stick it out. It gets bandied about far too often without any supporting evidence. I hope Dust is successful, but I'd rather stay realistically open-minded than unrealistically optimistic. If CCP plays their cards right Dust 514 could one day be far bigger than EVE. Here's hoping. Assumption in one instance, logical the next. You sound like that old man from Gran Torino. It's not being unrealistically optimistic, it's having strong faith in a product. Go find a stripper and a hug man, that drought is killing you. And why would Dust 514 be bigger than EVE when the plan is to combine them two to make one huge universe?
Combining them will not make them a single game, the same universe yes but ultimately they will be two different games, developed by two different studios, delivering two separate revenue streams.
Right now Dust is the Robin to EVE's Batman, given time that could be the other way around. The market for good FPS' is bigger than the market for point-and-click space ships. EVE has ~45k concurrent users at peak time on any given day, we're at ~5k. There's a lot of catching up to do but the potential for growth is massive if CCP button down and put in the work.
Lastly, if I'm being unrealistically pessimistic, which I think you're implying than it's purely based on experience up to this point. I've been around since beta and played enough games that squandered huge potential before. CCP dropped the ball early on but they're making the right moves (Flying Scottsman to CCP Shanghai has me very optimistic actually). It remains to be seen if the changes they're making are enough to ensure the future of Dust. |
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George Moros
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.19 09:57:00 -
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RedRebelCork wrote:Michael Arck wrote:That was a terrible review which reads like somebody from the forums wrote it.
I say this, EVE was pooped on when it first arrived. People cried about that being too difficult or dismissing it as "spreadsheets in space".
10 years later it thrives on, no one is saying anything and the core community keeps on playing.
EVE is not commercially appealing and yet it does extremely well. This will happen with Dust. It's just not a commercially appealing title. I mean c'mon, he's complaining about bland colors of Dust 514? Since when the reputation of New Eden warrants vibrant coloring? The world is dark and grim.
He complains about Dust difficulty and then he goes to play Demon's Souls. I'm tired of this assumption that EVE being successful despite a bad release inevitably means Dust will be successful too if we stick it out. I gets bandied about far too often without any supporting evidence. I hope Dust is successful, but I'd rather stay realistically open-minded than unrealistically optimistic. If CCP plays their cards right Dust 514 could one day be far bigger than EVE. Here's hoping.
I think you're missing the point Michael Arck is making. Nobody can be certain whether DUST will thrive or die. But if you judge a game's success primarily by the number of active subscribers or by the total profit it has made for the company, then EVE too is not a successful title. It's mediocre at best. Yet nobody in their right mind can say that a game which goes on for over a decade, and has constant growth in player base during that entire time has failed.
DUST too will probably never be a game that will attract hordes of people. Most people don't have the dedication nor the attention spans necessary to play that type of games (I'm not trying to offend anyone here, just stating fact). However, news headlines from gaming websites are more likely to contain events that happened in DUST, rather than CoD or BF, because in DUST (if it develops as advertised), these events will have meaning, importance and consequences.
So, DUST may fail, or it may succeed. What's important to note is that the definition of "success" is not the same for everyone. Most people find EVE incredibly intimidating and/or boring to even consider trying it out for a minute. Yet some think EVE is simply the only MMO worth playing - everything else is just plain silly compared to it. Same may be true for DUST.
CCP has proved that the (relatively) modest income they have from EVE is enough to keep the company healthy and running (and develop completely new titles from scratch). Having a difficult and underwhelming start is not exactly news to these guys. IMHO, some people are just too apocalyptic about DUST's inability to knock everyone off their feet at first glance. |
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George Moros
WarRavens League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.19 10:06:00 -
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Jay Sterling wrote: No - just think that CCP have been incredibly lucky - they haven't had any serious competition in their field for 10 years.
Do you honestly believe that the lack of competition CCP never had with EVE has anything to do with luck? |
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RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.19 10:20:00 -
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George Moros wrote:[
So, DUST may fail, or it may succeed. What's important to note is that the definition of "success" is not the same for everyone. Most people find EVE incredibly intimidating and/or boring to even consider trying it out for a minute. Yet some think EVE is simply the only MMO worth playing - everything else is just plain silly compared to it. Same may be true for DUST.
CCP has proved that the (relatively) modest income they have from EVE is enough to keep the company healthy and running (and develop completely new titles from scratch). Having a difficult and underwhelming start is not exactly news to these guys. IMHO, some people are just too apocalyptic about DUST's inability to knock everyone off their feet at first glance.
I agree. Success really is in the eye of the beholder. To me it will be successful when it delivers what the trailers promised. If they can do that then commercial success will follow in short order (in my opinion).
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Michael Arck
sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.08.19 10:22:00 -
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George Moros wrote:RedRebelCork wrote:Michael Arck wrote:That was a terrible review which reads like somebody from the forums wrote it.
I say this, EVE was pooped on when it first arrived. People cried about that being too difficult or dismissing it as "spreadsheets in space".
10 years later it thrives on, no one is saying anything and the core community keeps on playing.
EVE is not commercially appealing and yet it does extremely well. This will happen with Dust. It's just not a commercially appealing title. I mean c'mon, he's complaining about bland colors of Dust 514? Since when the reputation of New Eden warrants vibrant coloring? The world is dark and grim.
He complains about Dust difficulty and then he goes to play Demon's Souls. I'm tired of this assumption that EVE being successful despite a bad release inevitably means Dust will be successful too if we stick it out. I gets bandied about far too often without any supporting evidence. I hope Dust is successful, but I'd rather stay realistically open-minded than unrealistically optimistic. If CCP plays their cards right Dust 514 could one day be far bigger than EVE. Here's hoping. I think you're missing the point Michael Arck is making. Nobody can be certain whether DUST will thrive or die. But if you judge a game's success primarily by the number of active subscribers or by the total profit it has made for the company, then EVE too is not a successful title. It's mediocre at best. Yet nobody in their right mind can say that a game which goes on for over a decade, and has constant growth in player base during that entire time has failed. DUST too will probably never be a game that will attract hordes of people. Most people don't have the dedication nor the attention spans necessary to play that type of games (I'm not trying to offend anyone here, just stating fact). However, news headlines from gaming websites are more likely to contain events that happened in DUST, rather than CoD or BF, because in DUST (if it develops as advertised), these events will have meaning, importance and consequences. So, DUST may fail, or it may succeed. What's important to note is that the definition of "success" is not the same for everyone. Most people find EVE incredibly intimidating and/or boring to even consider trying it out for a minute. Yet some think EVE is simply the only MMO worth playing - everything else is just plain silly compared to it. Same may be true for DUST. CCP has proved that the (relatively) modest income they have from EVE is enough to keep the company healthy and running (and develop completely new titles from scratch). Having a difficult and underwhelming start is not exactly news to these guys. IMHO, some people are just too apocalyptic about DUST's inability to knock everyone off their feet at first glance.
Said better than I.
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Posted - 2013.08.19 13:03:00 -
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Ha, look at that guy asking for Malcanis' credentials. |
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