I see what point your bringing up, and it needs to be addressed.

Put Kin cats in Highs. Make Kin Cats also affect walk Speed (Not sure if the do that now...). Give Kin Cats enough of a bonus to eliminate the Plates penalty. Give Back the old Plates.

Make it so Shields NEED to fit Regulators to get anywhere decent Delay.

I Could still see maybe one or two Buals, but they would regen So Slow, and move so slow, that the only thing they would have going for them would be Monstrous HP compared to another Tanking Style.

This idea should be bury under all the clones that have died and then orbital just to be sure that it is truly dead.
And before you try to say that i am just a dual tanker trying to save his ehp i do not have a single armor plate.
One last thing why is it so bad to be a dual tanker.

It's the reason why medium frames can push to the same eHP as a heavy, and a scout feeling like he's taking on a wall that is not that much slower than him.

Dual tanking needs to be eliminated, so that medium frames aren't pushed above and beyond what they're supposed to be.

Put those damn penalties on shields.

Don't wait for 1.5, because with the reduced penalties on armor and increased HP, all the medium frames will now go bezerk with huge amounts of eHP, with no real downsides.


If you have the penalty on shields, that means a dual tanker has two sets of downsides, rather than one.
Making the suit, theoretically capable, a mess on the battlefield.


Edit:
For those that don't know, CCP is waiting for 1.5 before adding a penalty on shields.
The penalty is increased recharge delay for shield extenders.

So what about Amarr suits?

From what I can tell they are intended to dual tank. Do you envisage a change to this? Or perhaps a bonus to mitigate the penalties?

I think a better solution would be to buff the non-tank modules (apart from damage mods) to encourage their use. That way dual tanking just becomes another option instead of the obvious fit.

This would kill Minmatar logis...

armor already better than shields over all...when u include an armor repper on ur suit...

ofcourse my playstyle is what makes armor suits better to me overall..

Wouldn't it just be easier to add a basic suit level skill that personalizes shield and armor with their respective suits?

I'll be happy to go into greater depth in future to discuss this with you if you wish but I honestly am unconvinced that there is any need to make mechanical changes to prevent duel tanking.

If the mods are properly balanced then there's no problem with duel tanking, it's just another option.
If the mods are not properly balanced then that's a problem even without duel tanking and needs to be corrected which brings us back to my prior point when considering duel tanking.

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PS ~ Yes I absolutely duel tank frequently but I put game balance ahead of personal preference, convince me why an armor plus damage mods fit or a shields plus KinCat fit is more valid/less effective game wide than a duel tanked fit.

Also as an additional note when considering balance the costs in both ISK and SP of a fit must be included, if a med frame fit has more eHP than a Heavy but costs 200% more then that's not really a balance concern at least not in a direct way. And very few fits can legitimately touch that level at all even discounting cost.

Another Cal Logi hater who thinks that the racial bonus removal wasn't enough to nerf the class.

Anyway, for what it's worth I rarely see Cal Logis who dual tank. Most that I see are pure shield tanks or shield/speed tanks, not armor tanks.

Those that do have armor plates have maybe 250 HP in armor - not a whole lot. I see dual tanking more like having a security blanket when you have to take cover while your shields are recharging. If the enemy rushes you during that time, it's simply not enough tank to save you.