DUST Search - [Feedback] Okay so the forge gun IS a problem after all.

Trey Hardin wrote:

Jathniel wrote:

I was a defender of the forge gun as it currently works, but after using it... Something is off.

The weapon is too precise.

I took a small piece of clear tape, and balled it up. I made it small like an aim reticule dot, and I placed it right in the center of the forge gun box reticule.

This made using the forge gun SO incredibly easy.

CQC? No problem. Just line up the dot.
Mid-range? Line up the dot.
Long-range? Head the target by a fraction of the space, and line up the dot.

When it doubt, line up the dot on their feet.
This is as easy done as said.

THIS is a PROBLEM. Not a feature.

I was of the understanding that the space within the forge gun reticule indicated a margin of error; as in, 'the forge gun round can hit a specific point anywhere within this box.'

It DOES not, and that is a problem, especially for faster shooting Assault Forge Guns with larger blast radius.

If the forge gun is supposed to be the "same" as the sniper rifle, why doesn't it require as much effort and commitment to use?
Let the charge sniper rifle have PERFECT hip fire accuracy and see people cry, and it's not even a guaranteed kill like the forge.

The forge gun aiming mechanics need a margin of error, by sheer function.
Or in the very least, if you WANT the forge gun to shoot as perfectly as it does, then change the reticule to match that. lol

Your logic unlike some FG haters is , wouldn't u know it, logical but I see two flaws.
Flaw 1: You had to make an aim assist to get your kills try it without the tape.
Flaw 2: The FG does not have the ability to look down sight making long range shots increadbly difficult without your Amin assist.
I do agree that the ridicule is misleading.


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Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 779	Posted - 2013.08.18 16:38:00 - [1] - Quote I was a defender of the forge gun as it currently works, but after using it... Something is off. The weapon is too precise. I took a small piece of clear tape, and balled it up. I made it small like an aim reticule dot, and I placed it right in the center of the forge gun box reticule. This made using the forge gun SO incredibly easy. CQC? No problem. Just line up the dot. Mid-range? Line up the dot. Long-range? Head the target by a fraction of the space, and line up the dot. When it doubt, line up the dot on their feet. This is as easy done as said. THIS is a PROBLEM. Not a feature. I was of the understanding that the space within the forge gun reticule indicated a margin of error; as in, 'the forge gun round can hit a specific point anywhere within this box.' It DOES not, and that is a problem, especially for faster shooting Assault Forge Guns with larger blast radius. If the forge gun is supposed to be the "same" as the sniper rifle, why doesn't it require as much effort and commitment to use? Let the charge sniper rifle have PERFECT hip fire accuracy and see people cry, and it's not even a guaranteed kill like the forge. The forge gun aiming mechanics need a margin of error, by sheer function.
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 779	Posted - 2013.08.18 18:27:00 - [2] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Back in chromosome, we had a feature: Standing still? Point right in the middle. Movin to the side? Point the forge to the other part of the inside reticule, example: strafe right, aim left to compensate rigt spin. Hittingjump or walking forwards? Aim down. Even then i had a few problems forge sniping, but i found at that point crouching makes it insta-precise. Please return chromosome aiming. If that's how it worked before, then good. It's not something everyone was able to do. That's what made it such a great weapon in the right hands. I haven't touched a forge gun in 6 months. Right until yesterday. Had some trouble using it. Figured, "well the complainers have no reason to complain, the people using the forge gun are just skilled players, like always." Noticed I got a body shot on someone with it, and said, "wow. that's never happened with a forge gun before. O_O" Then I did it, again and again. Figured something is up. Had a theory, placed the tape in the center of the reticule. Just started popping peeps consistently. I mean not even walking throws it off. No margin of error when it shoots? Something that's OHK should be a little harder to use than that... maybe like how it was in Chromosome. Someone inexperienced with a forge gun, shouldn't just pick up a militia forge gun and suddenly start raping face. lol if we don't have a problem with this, why not eliminate the sway from sniper rifles? that's a high alpha low dps weapon as well.
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 779	Posted - 2013.08.18 18:32:00 - [3] - Quote Beeeees wrote: They are long range anti material rifles. Ofcourse they are precise. Working as intended. Then change the reticule. Or don't. Doesn't change the fact, that this weapon as it currently is, is going to become a problem unless it's firing pattern is reflected with the current reticule. Give it the margin of error shown in the reticule, or don't. If it shoots as it does now, the numbers of people using it are going to jump and it's going to start controlling matches more and more. A forge gun can be placed ANYWHERE on the battlefield. Up high. In the midst of combat. It's still effective.
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 779	Posted - 2013.08.18 19:30:00 - [4] - Quote Trey Hardin wrote: Jathniel wrote: I was a defender of the forge gun as it currently works, but after using it... Something is off. The weapon is too precise. I took a small piece of clear tape, and balled it up. I made it small like an aim reticule dot, and I placed it right in the center of the forge gun box reticule. This made using the forge gun SO incredibly easy. CQC? No problem. Just line up the dot. Mid-range? Line up the dot. Long-range? Head the target by a fraction of the space, and line up the dot. When it doubt, line up the dot on their feet. This is as easy done as said. THIS is a PROBLEM. Not a feature. I was of the understanding that the space within the forge gun reticule indicated a margin of error; as in, 'the forge gun round can hit a specific point anywhere within this box.' It DOES not, and that is a problem, especially for faster shooting Assault Forge Guns with larger blast radius. If the forge gun is supposed to be the "same" as the sniper rifle, why doesn't it require as much effort and commitment to use? Let the charge sniper rifle have PERFECT hip fire accuracy and see people cry, and it's not even a guaranteed kill like the forge. The forge gun aiming mechanics need a margin of error, by sheer function. Or in the very least, if you WANT the forge gun to shoot as perfectly as it does, then change the reticule to match that. lol Your logic unlike some FG haters is , wouldn't u know it, logical but I see two flaws. Flaw 1: You had to make an aim assist to get your kills try it without the tape. Flaw 2: The FG does not have the ability to look down sight making long range shots increadbly difficult without your Amin assist. I do agree that the ridicule is misleading. Well here's the thing. I don't hate the forge gun. People were complaining getting caught in it's splash back in Chromosome, and lol "I'm sorry, chump. You got caught in its splash." This was perfectly fine, because the weapon in fact had deviation. When engaging infantry at like 20-40m, you always used the splash, because direct hits were very difficult with the deviation, and this was perfectly reasonable. The splash does damage higher than a sniper rifle. It's kinda greedy therefore to say you should be able to land 1k-2k+ damage on infantry via direct shot with flawless accuracy, when everyone else can only pull off that alpha or comparable dps with a headshot... Forge Sniping is still mostly an acquired skill, Chromosome-era forge gunners were keenly aware of their deviation and splash, and that's what made them so potent and noteworthy. A piece of plastic on your screen didn't change a damn thing (I tried back then too.) The logic is both flawed and valid because of the piece of tape. It's flawed in that, the weapon is less accurate in my inexperienced hands without the tape, but it's valid because there's no reason to assume that other people aren't doing the same. Either or, we need a little deviation within the reticule, or this can potentially become a problem in the long run. Hope CCP keeps good track of its metrics.