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hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:22:00 -
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... meet my freedom :p. Also burn in hell. |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:27:00 -
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I cry when i turn the corner and still die by one |
Defy Gravity
Famous.OTF
Only The Famous
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:28:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:... meet my freedom :p. Also burn in hell.
To bad my boundless assaults gonna kill you first! |
Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:34:00 -
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Are you speaking of that stat used for ego stroking (and corp recruitment)? Honestly it can be quite deceptive... I personaly think the wp to death ratio is a better measure of combat efficiency  . As for forum wariorness the like to post ratio dominates all other form of statistic. |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:37:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Are you speaking of that stat used for ego stroking (and corp recruitment)? Honestly it can be quite deceptive... I personaly think the wp to death ratio is a better measure of combat efficiency . As for forum wariorness the like to post ratio dominates all other form of statistic.
Deaths are irrelevant. As long as you have a 1/1 K/D ratio your team is fine, any more is unnecessary. It should be how many war points per match. |
21yrOld Knight
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:46:00 -
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To you the truth the K/d is only important for certain roles on the battlefield such as sniper, assault, sentinel and heavy units . For a logi my opinion changed K/d doesn't matter if you are a logi. If you are looking for say a good assault unit K/d is going to matter. I am proud of my K/d because I am a assault unit my job is specifically made to kill enemy units i worked for my k/d. This is different for logi's though very different. |
Vulpes Dolosus
Neanderthal Nation
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:47:00 -
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Defy Gravity wrote:hackerzilla wrote:... meet my freedom :p. Also burn in hell. To bad my boundless assaults gonna kill you first!
I feel like the Boundless assault massdriver is the most aptly named weapon in the game. |
Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
298
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:59:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Deaths are irrelevant.
In pubs yes. But in war (which is arguably the point of the game) clones are the fuel which keep it going. Less deaths (and more kills) means having to buy/make less clones, which means having more ISK, which equals more power to fight/win more wars. |
The Tunski
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.08.18 05:02:00 -
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K/dr doesn't mean a whole lot. It depends on a lot of situations regardless of suits as well. Some people run ambushes in free/cheap stuff to strictly make money. People that have an endless amount of isk can run proto all day if they want and have an increased survivability. Doesn't mean that you can't wreck house in a free fit if you have a great gun game. I know tanks with outrageous kdr and ones that are just as good with a 1.25, just because they make isk running ambushes all day to bank isk running suits with no sp at all. Kdr is an ego thing, then again there are some straight killers out there. No one should judge a kdr until you play with that person. I always run with squads and pretty decent gear normally always and I have a fairly decent kdr, but ill admit, there's plenty of people that can hit the target much better then I. To each their own. That's one of the beauties of this game however, you can be very effective at without having to always kill people. Even snipers can go a whole match with a low amount of kills and be super effective if there calling out enemies to their squad.
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.18 05:18:00 -
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This is only true in some cases.
You certainly don't want an Assault having a low K/D or a scout and maybe even a heavy. Logistics don't have it so rough though, although it doesn't hurt if the Logi knows how to fight as well.
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
7
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Posted - 2013.08.18 05:41:00 -
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Sete Clifton wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:Deaths are irrelevant. In pubs yes. But in war (which is arguably the point of the game) clones are the fuel which keep it going. Less deaths (and more kills) means having to buy/make less clones, which means having more ISK, which equals more power to fight/win more wars.
Uh... You didnt quote properly, I never wrote that and I fully agree with you.
Besides, I transformed this thread into a statistics debate hehehe  |
Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
298
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:02:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Sete Clifton wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:Deaths are irrelevant. In pubs yes. But in war (which is arguably the point of the game) clones are the fuel which keep it going. Less deaths (and more kills) means having to buy/make less clones, which means having more ISK, which equals more power to fight/win more wars. Uh... You didnt quote properly, I never wrote that and I fully agree with you. Besides, I transformed this thread into a statistics debate hehehe
Opps you're right, I meant to quote hackerzilla. That's what I get for using my phone. Should be fixed now, and here's a like for my mistake. |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:12:00 -
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Sete Clifton wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:Sete Clifton wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:Deaths are irrelevant. In pubs yes. But in war (which is arguably the point of the game) clones are the fuel which keep it going. Less deaths (and more kills) means having to buy/make less clones, which means having more ISK, which equals more power to fight/win more wars. Uh... You didnt quote properly, I never wrote that and I fully agree with you. Besides, I transformed this thread into a statistics debate hehehe Opps you're right, I meant to quote hackerzilla. That's what I get for using my phone. Should be fixed now, and here's a like for my mistake.
well to be fair deaths are irrelevant. The only time I would care about dying is in the last clones of a game (usually ambush)
or if it was a super expensive proto suit and the kill was BS, something like getting murder taxi'ed. |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
213
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:17:00 -
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21yrOld Knight wrote:To you the truth the K/d is only important for certain roles on the battlefield such as sniper, assault, sentinel and heavy units . For a logi my opinion changed K/d doesn't matter if you are a logi. If you are looking for say a good assault unit K/d is going to matter. I am proud of my K/d because I am a assault unit my job is specifically made to kill enemy units i worked for my k/d. This is different for logi's though very different.
But does it matter besides your pride? No. If you have a good squad/team you will be rezzed or there will be an available uplink in the vicinity. I do see your point though, in order to have a functioning squad they must be alive, and dying sets you back. But I disagree that snipers' K/D ratios matter. Sniping is just an easy way to boost your K/D. But seriously think about if K/D matters. The only plausible reasons I can think of are ISK balance, and (sorta) being there for your teammates. |
HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
181
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:24:00 -
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So im obsessed with my kdr, but guys with mass drivers, forge guns and flaylocks are LESS concerned.
Lolplayers say rediculous ****.
Also if my team gets pub stomped in ambush oms, we lose by 40 but my kdr is 12/3 I think thay says and means alot. |
Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
300
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:31:00 -
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Stats are all about the context in which they are studied. This is true for all games/sports/whatever. A certain stat can be extremely important in one view and completely useless in another. There is no end all be all stat, but they just about all have their importance in a certain situation/context when properly examined, including kdr. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
790
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:34:00 -
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When your dead your not of use to no one. You gimp your team, and possibly lost objective.
When your alive, it usually means some one on the other side just got gimped or your free to take another objective.
K/D is by far not irrelevant. if your going 3/10. Your burdening your team. might as well AFK.
*but what if they are calling out reds? or reviving?*
You know what I love about logi's? is when they do revive IN FRONT of me I can take the guy that got revived out, and then the logi.
3 blokes that can't stay on there feet for more then 3 seconds, is like 3 blokes AFKing. And if there are another 3 blokes actually AFKing, well then your **** out of luck. |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
213
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:37:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:When your dead your not of use to no one. You gimp your team, and possibly lost objective.
When your alive, it usually means some one on the other side just got gimped or your free to take another objective.
K/D is by far not irrelevant. if your going 3/10. Your burdening your team. might as well AFK.
*but what if they are calling out reds? or reviving?*
You know what I love about logi's? is when they do revive IN FRONT of me I can take the guy that got revived out, and then the logi.
3 blokes that can't stay on there feet for more then 3 seconds, is like 3 blokes AFKing. And if there are another 3 blokes actually AFKing, well then your **** out of luck.
Like I said: as long as your K/D is 1 you aren'y burdening your team... |
21yrOld Knight
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:40:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:
Like I said: as long as your K/D is 1 you aren'y burdening your team...
Its called going neutral for a reason your not hurting your team but your not helping your team |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Top Men.
1159
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Posted - 2013.08.18 08:20:00 -
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actually you can go 0/10 as a properly played logi and still contribute more than someone with a 3.0 KDR (I'm looking at you, redline snipers!) |
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Heimdallr69
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
589
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Posted - 2013.08.18 08:29:00 -
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K/d doesn't matter wp do...silly to think how k/d doesn't meen a thing...ambush wp don't matter do they? |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Top Men.
1159
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Posted - 2013.08.18 08:36:00 -
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KD means jack all. It's a measurement of things of little consequence. My KD is a bit higher than 1. Oh well, I primarily operate as AV support. Not exactly a KD farming role. But I'm getting good at splashing Logi LAVs, along with the tanks and everything else that are easy to kill.
When I bother to go into an attack role my KD rises. Because I'm not throwing expensive AV suits at tanks like a psychopathic lemming with a hardon for murder. Does this make me less valuable to a team? Average life expectancy of most vehicles I draw a bead on is less than 20 seconds. Does a 1.12 KDR make my contribution magically less valuable? How about when I get bored and return to my logi roots and begin spamming needles, hives and reps? My KD usually drops rather sharply. Does this mean I am less valuable to the team?
How about when I get tired of snipers shooting my buddies around me and I swap to a militia shitfit and kill them on their perch, then die to their buddies? Oh noes, my precious (not) KDR!
KDR is about as useful a statistic for gauging competence as Homeruns are useful in a football game. I know of at least one person with a **** KDR who is a fantastic trainer of newbies and combat coordinator. I'm actually pretty decent at doing FC.
No I'm not the best. that title belongs to a couple other goons. |
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