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Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.08.17 05:02:00 -
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As Pilots know DS are OP [3] and need a cost reduction, this shouldn`t wait to 1.5 so to make points on their logical cost is better sooner then later, also this is going on the thought that DS needs more meta lv varients not a buff, the ladder is a dumb 'balance" choice since that means it would need to be rebalanced and its harder to balance under the conditions.
ADS cost 493,000 ISK (no gear), they are top in cost becuse they are the only way a pilot can reduce the rate of bankrupcy (wow putting it bluntly kinda burns the old logic), this is a dumb move though becuse:
a) in the short run pilot`s need something they can afford to litterly afford their role, thats the hole reason ADS were added btw!
b) in the long run the supportive role DS will be as effective and maybe more so this costing more still wouldn`t make sense.
c) the turrets are the highest costing add on to vehicles (turrets got a buff in cost, modules got a nerf in cost so ADV-PRO would be cheaper....when we get them....) and an ADS has 3 of them so that adds on cost of itself and it has the same module count.
drop the ADS cost to 220,000.
Logi DS is useless (when is comes to pub matches as a role entirely) as of now and a balance isn`t know on the radar (to be balanced vehicles would need WP for: using sensors, deploying troops, triage etc), so:
if a balance isn`t arriving in 1.5 then drop the cost to 110,000, if a balance is coming in 1.5 place/leave it at 220,000.
non role DS should cost 180,000, they still can do their role but without skill bonuses (then again you need less SP to acheive theese items) and have other weaknesses compared to the role varients so 40,000 ISK should be enough.
I`m un aware how effective future vehicles and modules are but I assume for vehicle cost (no gear) in the DS section: non role: STD =180,000, ADV = 360,000, PRO = 720,000, roled DS: STD = 220,000, ADV = 440,000, PRO = 880,000 essentialy doubling the last tech lv. but again, I don`t have that gear so I`m assuming its worth based of of dropsuit STD-PRO then DS STD- PRO based of of the dropsits. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.17 05:05:00 -
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First, what makes you think that they plan on having vehicles follow the same tiering system as infantry gear?
Second, using cost as a balancing system is terrible.
Aside from those two things, I do think that dropships need some love, which is coming in 1.5. |
Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.08.17 05:17:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:First, what makes you think that they plan on having vehicles follow the same tiering system as infantry gear?
Second, using cost as a balancing system is terrible.
Aside from those two things, I do think that dropships need some love, which is coming in 1.5.
1) I made sure in my post its accuracy is skeptical even by me.
2) I`m not balancing by cost, I`m making sure that its affordable, seriously do you fly a DS or see the tons of pilots declare nbanrupcy in team chat, local chat and the forums? to explain my next point I need to run some history, vehicles used to be called in with WPm like orbitals so yes they were tools used for game changers or to give you an edge for a bit, recently we are making them a role, to be a role it must be benifacial, you can gain more then you spent on a normal match, you can pretty much run STD gear all the time, ADV all the time when you are focused on the role and you get good at it, and PRO every few battles and pray you don`t die, atm using a STD vehcile with a PRO turret and ADV modules takes 5 battles to afford, no where near the range of a role you can gain from (if you run militia starter fits regaining that ISK), vehciles (mainly DS) are the biggest UP role(s) of the game mainly deu to their cost. |
The legend345
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2013.08.17 05:34:00 -
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Oh for fucks sake. Everyone know that the dropships ******* suck and are a isk sink. You dont need to convince anybody. |
Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.08.17 05:36:00 -
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The legend345 wrote:Oh for fucks sake. Everyone know that the dropships ******* suck and are a isk sink. You dont need to convince anybody.
Edit lol wtf it doesnt bleep out fucks. Booyaaaa
not here to convince anyone (maybe shold have choosen a better title name, but then again their are commenters who think otherwise) it was to tell CCP a pilots thoughts on what cost should be and saying what lead me to that opinion. |
The legend345
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Posted - 2013.08.17 05:37:00 -
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Shouper of BHD wrote:The legend345 wrote:Oh for fucks sake. Everyone know that the dropships ******* suck and are a isk sink. You dont need to convince anybody.
Edit lol wtf it doesnt bleep out fucks. Booyaaaa not here to convince anyone (maybe shold have choosen a better title name, but then again their are commenters who think otherwise) it was to tell CCP a pilots thoughts on what cost should be and saying what lead me to that opinion.
lol if anybody thinks other wise they aren't smart enough to be convinced otherwise... |
Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.08.17 05:45:00 -
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The legend345 wrote:Shouper of BHD wrote:The legend345 wrote:Oh for fucks sake. Everyone know that the dropships ******* suck and are a isk sink. You dont need to convince anybody.
Edit lol wtf it doesnt bleep out fucks. Booyaaaa not here to convince anyone (maybe shold have choosen a better title name, but then again their are commenters who think otherwise) it was to tell CCP a pilots thoughts on what cost should be and saying what lead me to that opinion. lol if anybody thinks other wise they aren't smart enough to be convinced otherwise...
I like to reply to thoose anyways since they help drive my point home by supportine the OP against counter arguments, but I do see your point, anyways we need to squad up again, the last time was fun and I`ve been habing much success with my DS>HAV 2x light top of the line sheild transporters, had them both going o 1 tank then them both going on 2 tanks at once, was epic keeping them alive through the AV. might get remote repair systems as well but idk. |
The legend345
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Posted - 2013.08.17 05:49:00 -
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Shouper of BHD wrote:The legend345 wrote:Shouper of BHD wrote:The legend345 wrote:Oh for fucks sake. Everyone know that the dropships ******* suck and are a isk sink. You dont need to convince anybody.
Edit lol wtf it doesnt bleep out fucks. Booyaaaa not here to convince anyone (maybe shold have choosen a better title name, but then again their are commenters who think otherwise) it was to tell CCP a pilots thoughts on what cost should be and saying what lead me to that opinion. lol if anybody thinks other wise they aren't smart enough to be convinced otherwise... I like to reply to thoose anyways since they help drive my point home by supportine the OP against counter arguments, but I do see your point, anyways we need to squad up again, the last time was fun and I`ve been habing much success with my DS>HAV 2x light top of the line sheild transporters, had them both going o 1 tank then them both going on 2 tanks at once, was epic keeping them alive through the AV. might get remote repair systems as well but idk.
Of course, just send me a message on psn whenever you want to squad up (i dont bite  ). Tomorrow i have alot of pc but when im playing pubs ill send you a message. |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.08.17 06:19:00 -
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Think about how havs feel |
gargantuise aaron
Sanguine Knights
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Posted - 2013.08.17 06:29:00 -
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Drop ships need love I fly one for fun mever profit I'm licky to break eben with one |
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Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.08.17 18:07:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Think about how havs feel
i stopped driving HAVs after the respec and thought someone else would add their to sense since mine not be as good, but I always can if neccisary, I know a few tankers that I can talk to so I can get he full current picture. |
Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
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Posted - 2013.08.17 18:14:00 -
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I'd settle for higher isk payouts in skirmish and domination. They take more of my time and should reward me as such. I don't hate ambush or anything but domination fits my play style more. Would be nice not to have to x number of ambush maps just to make back vehicle losses. |
ROADKILLURAZZ
MURDER TAXI COMPANY
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Posted - 2013.08.17 19:04:00 -
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The legend345 wrote:Oh for fucks sake. Everyone know that the dropships ******* suck and are a isk sink. You dont need to convince anybody.
Edit lol wtf it doesnt bleep out fucks. Booyaaaa
SAYS YOU!
I make ALL my iskies from drop ships! 400-800k every match!
Its really sad 3/4 of dust players dont know the FULL potential of drop ships!
How you equip it, means EVERYTHING!
I run ONLY milita ships, yet I can take out a million dollar ship in one swoop! Bye bye!
CCP: leave DS alone! They are PERFECT! |
Sarducar Kahn
xCosmic Voidx
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Posted - 2013.08.17 19:34:00 -
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ROADKILLURAZZ wrote:The legend345 wrote:Oh for fucks sake. Everyone know that the dropships ******* suck and are a isk sink. You dont need to convince anybody.
Edit lol wtf it doesnt bleep out fucks. Booyaaaa SAYS YOU! I make ALL my iskies from drop ships! 400-800k every match! Its really sad 3/4 of dust players dont know the FULL potential of drop ships! How you equip it, means EVERYTHING! I run ONLY milita ships, yet I can take out a million dollar ship in one swoop! Bye bye! CCP: leave DS alone! They are PERFECT!
Begone troll. |
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