DUST Search - Concerns with fanaticism

Shattered Mirage wrote:

Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:

((Let's get back into character, folks.))
h?
Mr. Kalamari, I do see, understand, and to a large degree agree with your concerns. I do suspect, however, that much of where all of this comes from is the backgrounds of the visitors here.

We are mostly soldiers. At most, we may have been officers; many were probably just talented rank and file.

Such people are typically subject to the sort of programming that makes a soldier eager to fire a weapon. It results in a certain amount of extremism and jingoism, but it also makes them more effective killers in service to their respective masters. As much as I consider it my responsibility to recognize the humanity of my enemy even as I kill him, I also recognize that this is not an easy thing for most to do.

They are soldiers, specialized in killing and conditioned to kill without hesitation. It may be too much to ask them to be diplomats, at least in the near term.

Of course, as they are now mercenaries with extraordinarily broad discretion in their doings, they can now broadly free themselves of that role and its mentality, if they wish to. Perhaps those of us with more ... unusual backgrounds may be able to help with that.

Please elaborate on what you consider... unusual backgrounds, would you?


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Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 336	Posted - 2013.08.16 21:35:00 - [1] - Quote After several months when our Intergalactic Summit was set up and the station opened for public use, I have been quite active here commenting on issues, representing the Intaki people and correcting some misinformation on some subjects. There have been some ups, and some downs, and overall I am cautiously hopeful that our discussions will eventually evolve from the finger pointing stage. During these months, I have also noticed an alarming trend appearing, fanaticism. I'm talking about the type where the people blindly follow their leader, without questioning their motives or methods. Some of you may have seen this with the Gallente mostly, but this is not only restricted to them. Caldari, Minmatar, Gallente and Amarr alike have shown signs of fanaticism, some have even gone as far as wowed their entire lives to destroying their mortal enemies, no matter how impossible that goal might be. The Templars and Paladins continue with their quest of expanding their faith to all corners of the cluster, claiming that their religion is the only true one. The Gallente have also shown this, but not in the form of a religion, but in the form of their ideals. Many of the Gallenteans here have exclaimed their ideals of freedom and democracy, some even demanded that other nations convert to the same ideals as them, failing to recognize that homogenizing was the reason the entire dispute with the Caldari began. And while the Caldari and Minmatar haven't shown much fanaticism as the Gallente or Amarr, I have also seen that they wish every single Gallentean/Amarrian to be wiped off the face of the galaxy. Why is this a problem? Because when you do not question what you are doing, don't think why you are doing what you are doing, think why the enemy you are fighting is actually your enemy, that is when problems arise and dictatorships are born. This also prevents us from cooperating at any kind of meaningful level when we are bound by prejudices set centuries ago by people whose words should have no weigh anymore, as we can see with the at best reserved relationship with the Caldari and Gallente. It is not impossible to fix this, when the disaster that was the battle of Caldari Prime happened, in the aftermath the Caldari and Gallente could negotiate a truce and start fixing the damage done to the planet. We may not ever agree with our political, sociological or religious ideals, but in the very least we can set our differences aside to work towards a mutually beneficial goal. And while you could argue all year long about if the situation the capsuleers are in now is good or bad, I aspire us to be somewhat like them, independent of the empires, working for our own goals and ideals and not ones another person told us to follow, kind of like every one of us was a nation state of its own. Do you agree with me? I'm bound to have someone troll me at least once or call me names, but I hope we could keep this discussion mostly civil.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 337	Posted - 2013.08.17 04:06:00 - [2] - Quote Shattered Mirage wrote: Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: ((Let's get back into character, folks.)) h? Mr. Kalamari, I do see, understand, and to a large degree agree with your concerns. I do suspect, however, that much of where all of this comes from is the backgrounds of the visitors here. We are mostly soldiers. At most, we may have been officers; many were probably just talented rank and file. Such people are typically subject to the sort of programming that makes a soldier eager to fire a weapon. It results in a certain amount of extremism and jingoism, but it also makes them more effective killers in service to their respective masters. As much as I consider it my responsibility to recognize the humanity of my enemy even as I kill him, I also recognize that this is not an easy thing for most to do. They are soldiers, specialized in killing and conditioned to kill without hesitation. It may be too much to ask them to be diplomats, at least in the near term. Of course, as they are now mercenaries with extraordinarily broad discretion in their doings, they can now broadly free themselves of that role and its mentality, if they wish to. Perhaps those of us with more ... unusual backgrounds may be able to help with that. Please elaborate on what you consider... unusual backgrounds, would you? ((Guys, I *really* don't like it if you make a reply to my thread just to make an OOC comment. It's really annoying to see that half of the 11 notifications I got were just OOC talk. If you want to talk about your characters OOC, go to the DUST OOC thread in the fiction section, don't do it in my thread please.)) From what I have witnessed at least some, or a fair part of us seem to have some kind of traumatic backgrounds before becoming soldiers, which leads to bitterness and hatred to everyone remotely related to the apparent cause of their trauma, I think Yun might be talking about that. But yes, I agree that we naturally have a tendency towards not questioning orders due to our soldier training, and I am not asking, nor hoping for an instant change. I do hope that I could spark an idea on soldiers, and gradually change the way we think. That way we could start thinking critically of our orders and ideals, and hopefully gain the independent thinking I desire.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 337	Posted - 2013.08.17 04:31:00 - [3] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: ((I don't really have anything in character to say, but I really hope you don't think True Adamance and I are Amarr fanatics. That is not either of our characters. All we've done is state our beliefs and correct those who bear false claims against our Empire.)) ((I don't think you're fanatics, but my point still stands. If you have nothing worthy of adding, don't reply. If you want to talk with me, use PMs or the DUST OOC thread. I find it annoying when people just comment OOCly on my threads.)) I really wish they could fix these threads of all the static and other disturbances, it's starting to get annoying when it disrupts the discussion.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 340	Posted - 2013.08.17 06:53:00 - [4] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: It sounds like you want a total peace throughout the four major empires Mr. Kalamari. Why would a merc want peace it is our job to conduct war. What you desire seems rather stupid in my opinion wanting to loose your job and all. Well maybe not , there are many private contractors in new Eden that would hire a merc to fight against their hostile enemies. ( wow a gallente who isn't crazy nice topic +1 ) I'm not desiring peace, I know that is an impossible goal to achieve. What I am trying to achieve here is independence from the empires of New Eden, to not blindly follow their ideals and their orders just because we were told so. Right now we are extremely dependent on them, they make our weapons, our dropsuits, modules and everything else you use in combat, and because we all were trained in the clone soldier program more or less, we have tendencies to show alarming amounts of fanaticism to our own nations. I believe that when capsuleers or other non-empire afflicted groups starts building our gear, funding our wars and hiring our services, have we taken a step to the right direction. That may be a long time before it actually happens, but when we stop unquestionably following orders and start thinking critically of what we do, have we made progress. And I am Intaki, not Gallente.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 340	Posted - 2013.08.17 08:24:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I am a loyalist. This defines me as a person. I have nothing to fight for without the Empire. I have no desire to own my own space, nor to make ISK, nor to fight as a mercenary. I want to help my people, so I fight their wars so they do not have to. I understand, and I accept your point, the loyalty to the empires in itself isn't the problem, it is when it becomes unquestioning and blind.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 341	Posted - 2013.08.17 18:38:00 - [6] - Quote Honestly, I have a hard time taking anything Sergamon claims seriously, since he seems to have conflicting ideals depending on the argument, makes baseless threats towards innocent people and can barely write coherent sentences.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 344	Posted - 2013.08.18 08:56:00 - [7] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: Ok my native language isn`t english,and that`s why my texts may be full of typo and errors.Maybe that is the reason why mr kalamari read my text wrong,In there was no threats against innocent people,only threats i make was against those who is responsible of those crimes.Heck this is my character and it has his own opinions,ideals,motivation etc etc,like real world people will have diffrent point of wiew how they deal with things,and those ideals,opinion,reasons makes world/new eden more intresting place(and is top of the list when asked why i play dust)So mr kalamari you dont take me seriously and are eager to comment my text,ok that is your opinion and it is your right to say so and it is your right also play your character like "people commissar of dust forums" ((I sent you a PM in DUST, please go read it. And stop commenting OOCly on my thread, seriously.))