DUST Search - Recommended Alterations To Burst Assault Rifle

Bojo The Mighty wrote:

ladwar wrote:

Bojo The Mighty wrote:

Right now, I feel like the Burst AR has the potential to be my favorite weapon but:
-Scope zoom seems too narrow for the lesser range of the tactical
-ADS tracking seems to slow
-Possibly bring back 5 shot or do something funky with damage/RoF

I like the extra range to the Burst AR but right now the ADS is more set up for Tactical AR making it rather "cumbersome" for it's shorter range. It's kind of like using a sniper rifle in too close of range. As of now it's hard to place shots when the target is moving because the radius is shorter, thus the target appears to be moving faster but using Tactical AR setup for the burst is far too slow. I find myself resorting to Hipfire because of tracking seeming slow.

I'll probably give it several more go's and see if I learn anything else but these are my prominent impressions. I can't seem to place a whole lot of shots accurately due to slow tracking and only 3 shots.

burst was 7 shots... that didn't to be changed, change it back CCP

Are we talking like waay back burst or chromosome burst? I remember a long set of shots, 5. But you could be right it could've been 7. But 7 might have been codex, 5 Chromosome, and 3 now.

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Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1496	Posted - 2013.08.16 21:08:00 - [1] - Quote Right now, I feel like the Burst AR has the potential to be my favorite weapon but: -Scope zoom seems too narrow for the lesser range of the tactical -ADS tracking seems to slow -Possibly bring back 5 shot or do something funky with damage/RoF I like the extra range to the Burst AR but right now the ADS is more set up for Tactical AR making it rather "cumbersome" for it's shorter range. It's kind of like using a sniper rifle in too close of range. As of now it's hard to place shots when the target is moving because the radius is shorter, thus the target appears to be moving faster but using Tactical AR setup for the burst is far too slow. I find myself resorting to Hipfire because of tracking seeming slow. I'll probably give it several more go's and see if I learn anything else but these are my prominent impressions. I can't seem to place a whole lot of shots accurately due to slow tracking and only 3 shots.
WeapondigitX V7 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 67	Posted - 2013.08.17 11:55:00 - [2] - Quote The burst assault rifle needs a 5 shot burst and a quicker fire rate to compensate. The burst assault rifle needed a rate of fire increase even with a burst of 3 shots.
The-Errorist Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.08.17 13:52:00 - [3] - Quote I only want the Minmatar AR to have a high round burst. I agree that the scope zoom should be toned down a bit. Since its range is between the Tactical AR and the AR, the zoom should be in between that, not the same as the tactical.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1501	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:20:00 - [4] - Quote WeapondigitX V7 wrote: The burst assault rifle needs a 5 shot burst and a quicker fire rate to compensate. The burst assault rifle needed a rate of fire increase even with a burst of 3 shots. I agree, the burst out DPS the normal AR but with only 3 shots, not by much. Needs to be 5 with higher RoF. ....and the scope/ADS tracking needs to be sped up
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1101	Posted - 2013.08.17 19:44:00 - [5] - Quote Lower RoF, and increase damage per shot, give 5 shot burst, set a delay between bursts.
Arc-08 Horizons' Edge Orion Empire 40	Posted - 2013.08.17 20:00:00 - [6] - Quote higher ROF bring up to just 4 shot's at least is enough, then do something creative with the way the scope works OR same ROF, 5 shot's then much longer range (about 30-40 meters over that of a Duvolle Tactical and scrambler rifle) make it what it used to be like (though probably not exactly) or turn it into a longer range sniper assault rifle Essentially what i'm saying is give it a role instead of just a random weapon that is unpopular and uneffective
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 637	Posted - 2013.08.17 20:14:00 - [7] - Quote 5 shot burst. Range in between reg AR and TAR. Keep damage. Da.
Arc-08 Horizons' Edge Orion Empire 40	Posted - 2013.08.17 20:43:00 - [8] - Quote yep i can agree with almost all of you, but the only reason i posted what i did is because it needs a role, and it has the option of two options that it can be, either way, more shots, and something with the scope
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 778	Posted - 2013.08.17 20:58:00 - [9] - Quote I agree the Burst could be polished a bit. But I don't think raising the number of shots will do that, nor will increasing the damage. Either give the Burst the same range as the tactical, OR reduce the scope zoom by about 20%. Finally give the GK-13 the same RoF as the Allotek. There's no reason for a RoF discrepancy to render the weapon slightly gimped. Otherwise, that's it. Don't touch anything else.
DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 1891	Posted - 2013.08.17 21:13:00 - [10] - Quote Make it more accurate, that is it. Right now, the burst is a head shot machine. If you change the damage or shots, people will say it is OP.

Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1501	Posted - 2013.08.17 21:28:00 - [11] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Make it more accurate, that is it. Right now, the burst is a head shot machine. If you change the damage or shots, people will say it is OP. No, the Burst Pistol is a head shot machine. The Burst AR as of now is something more appropriate for finishing off the wounded. It's accuracy is fine right now, it's at a good place. No, people will not say it is OP if you change the shots, it used to be 5 shots back in Chromosome and it wasn't OP.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1155	Posted - 2013.08.17 21:57:00 - [12] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Right now, I feel like the Burst AR has the potential to be my favorite weapon but: -Scope zoom seems too narrow for the lesser range of the tactical -ADS tracking seems to slow -Possibly bring back 5 shot or do something funky with damage/RoF I like the extra range to the Burst AR but right now the ADS is more set up for Tactical AR making it rather "cumbersome" for it's shorter range. It's kind of like using a sniper rifle in too close of range. As of now it's hard to place shots when the target is moving because the radius is shorter, thus the target appears to be moving faster but using Tactical AR setup for the burst is far too slow. I find myself resorting to Hipfire because of tracking seeming slow. I'll probably give it several more go's and see if I learn anything else but these are my prominent impressions. I can't seem to place a whole lot of shots accurately due to slow tracking and only 3 shots. burst was 7 shots... that didn't to be changed, change it back CCP
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1501	Posted - 2013.08.17 21:59:00 - [13] - Quote ladwar wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Right now, I feel like the Burst AR has the potential to be my favorite weapon but: -Scope zoom seems too narrow for the lesser range of the tactical -ADS tracking seems to slow -Possibly bring back 5 shot or do something funky with damage/RoF I like the extra range to the Burst AR but right now the ADS is more set up for Tactical AR making it rather "cumbersome" for it's shorter range. It's kind of like using a sniper rifle in too close of range. As of now it's hard to place shots when the target is moving because the radius is shorter, thus the target appears to be moving faster but using Tactical AR setup for the burst is far too slow. I find myself resorting to Hipfire because of tracking seeming slow. I'll probably give it several more go's and see if I learn anything else but these are my prominent impressions. I can't seem to place a whole lot of shots accurately due to slow tracking and only 3 shots. burst was 7 shots... that didn't to be changed, change it back CCP Are we talking like waay back burst or chromosome burst? I remember a long set of shots, 5. But you could be right it could've been 7. But 7 might have been codex, 5 Chromosome, and 3 now.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1155	Posted - 2013.08.17 22:19:00 - [14] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ladwar wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Right now, I feel like the Burst AR has the potential to be my favorite weapon but: -Scope zoom seems too narrow for the lesser range of the tactical -ADS tracking seems to slow -Possibly bring back 5 shot or do something funky with damage/RoF I like the extra range to the Burst AR but right now the ADS is more set up for Tactical AR making it rather "cumbersome" for it's shorter range. It's kind of like using a sniper rifle in too close of range. As of now it's hard to place shots when the target is moving because the radius is shorter, thus the target appears to be moving faster but using Tactical AR setup for the burst is far too slow. I find myself resorting to Hipfire because of tracking seeming slow. I'll probably give it several more go's and see if I learn anything else but these are my prominent impressions. I can't seem to place a whole lot of shots accurately due to slow tracking and only 3 shots. burst was 7 shots... that didn't to be changed, change it back CCP Are we talking like waay back burst or chromosome burst? I remember a long set of shots, 5. But you could be right it could've been 7. But 7 might have been codex, 5 Chromosome, and 3 now. chromosome it was 7 i only started right after Replication. so i dunno what it was before that but all of chromosome it was 7 round burst.
Arc-08 Horizons' Edge Orion Empire 40	Posted - 2013.08.18 20:50:00 - [15] - Quote Jathniel wrote: I agree the Burst could be polished a bit. But I don't think raising the number of shots will do that, nor will increasing the damage. Either give the Burst the same range as the tactical, OR reduce the scope zoom by about 20%. Finally give the GK-13 the same RoF as the Allotek. There's no reason for a RoF discrepancy to render the weapon slightly gimped. Otherwise, that's it. Don't touch anything else. you don't use a Burst AR much do you? Wow you managed to give a buff that was already hit with the nerf hammer, it's like okay CCP no need to Nerf it because we nerfed the Buff before it was even put into the game.
KING CHECKMATE Bragian Order Amarr Empire 575	Posted - 2013.08.18 21:28:00 - [16] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Right now, I feel like the Burst AR has the potential to be my favorite weapon but: -Scope zoom seems too narrow for the lesser range of the tactical -ADS tracking seems to slow -Possibly bring back 5 shot or do something funky with damage/RoF I like the extra range to the Burst AR but right now the ADS is more set up for Tactical AR making it rather "cumbersome" for it's shorter range. It's kind of like using a sniper rifle in too close of range. As of now it's hard to place shots when the target is moving because the radius is shorter, thus the target appears to be moving faster but using Tactical AR setup for the burst is far too slow. I find myself resorting to Hipfire because of tracking seeming slow. I'll probably give it several more go's and see if I learn anything else but these are my prominent impressions. I can't seem to place a whole lot of shots accurately due to slow tracking and only 3 shots. +1 Burst is my Fav weapon Actually im going to get it today again, havnt tried it in uprising thou... I remember it was beast in chromosome....
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1506	Posted - 2013.08.18 22:09:00 - [17] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Right now, I feel like the Burst AR has the potential to be my favorite weapon but: -Scope zoom seems too narrow for the lesser range of the tactical -ADS tracking seems to slow -Possibly bring back 5 shot or do something funky with damage/RoF I like the extra range to the Burst AR but right now the ADS is more set up for Tactical AR making it rather "cumbersome" for it's shorter range. It's kind of like using a sniper rifle in too close of range. As of now it's hard to place shots when the target is moving because the radius is shorter, thus the target appears to be moving faster but using Tactical AR setup for the burst is far too slow. I find myself resorting to Hipfire because of tracking seeming slow. I'll probably give it several more go's and see if I learn anything else but these are my prominent impressions. I can't seem to place a whole lot of shots accurately due to slow tracking and only 3 shots. +1 Burst is my Fav weapon Actually im going to get it today again, havnt tried it in uprising thou... I remember it was beast in chromosome.... Yeah but the issues I stated, like slow ADS tracking, actually impact it's overall use quite a bit.
Arc-08 Horizons' Edge Orion Empire 40	Posted - 2013.08.22 11:15:00 - [18] - Quote restore it somewhat to it's former glory, i know people say there needs to be less AR spam but this is the least used assault rifle there is and needs to be restored to it's former glory
Bad Heal ROGUE SPADES EoN. 72	Posted - 2013.08.22 11:59:00 - [19] - Quote An increase to ROF should really help and wouldn't make it OP
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 625	Posted - 2013.08.22 13:32:00 - [20] - Quote I plan to try out the burst AR again once 1.4 hits.

Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2265	Posted - 2013.08.24 21:16:00 - [21] - Quote Bad Heal wrote: An increase to ROF should really help and wouldn't make it OP yeah but when the zoom makes aiming like a Tac AR it'd be a waste of a buff. Hope aiming changes apply to BAR. -Bojo (n) Bone Jockey will become a widely popular insult around 2014, then be shortened to "BoJo" in 2015.
Arc-08 Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 120	Posted - 2013.11.04 00:30:00 - [22] - Quote looks like some fixes will be applied via the minmatar combat rifle Advanced Recon Commando's (A.R.C's) --- Yeah, you don't want to mess with us.
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 186	Posted - 2013.11.04 01:51:00 - [23] - Quote I really didn't like the old burst (5 or 7 shots or whatever it was). The burst duration was just too long. The DPS of the burst at the moment is way to low in my opinion. My suggestion is to up the damage per bullet plus whatever scope chances are suggested by people that use it a lot. Or just wait for the combat rifle. :P


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