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BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1082	Posted - 2013.08.16 13:59:00 - [1] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Not necessarily. Every suit will be affected positively by this buff not just the Gallente. Here is a number crunched Assault ck.0 and a Assault gk.0 done with all skills level 5. Assault ck.0 2x Complex Shield extenders 2x Complex Light damage modifiers 2x Enhanced Armor plates 1x Complex Armor repairer CPU- 309/394 PG- 63/79 Shield- 408 Armor- 392 EHP- 800 Shield Recharge Rate- 31.25 Shield Delay- 5 Shield Depleted Delay- 8 Armor Repair Rate- 6.25 Movement- 4.72 Sprint- 6.94 Assault gk.0 1x Complex Shield extender 2x Complex Light damage modifiers 3x Enhanced Armor plates 1x Complex Armor repairer CPU- 275/394 PG- 58/79 Shield- 223 Armor- 625 EHP- 848 Shield Recharge Rate- 25 Shield Delay- 7 Shield Depleted Delay- 10 Armor Repair Rate- 6.25 Movement- 4.64 Sprint- 6.82 Conclusion, the GK.0 has 48 more HP but less CPU/PG restrictions. The speed difference between both these suits is 1.7%, while each suit is being penalized 5.6% and 7.8% respectively. The GK.0 has a way slower over all repair in HP, especially with the bulk of his HP being in armor. Also keep in mind the majority of weapons that are to come will be anti armor and all burst damage weapons are anti armor, therefore shields are more resistant to damage than armor thus their overall HP is higher than what you can see numerically. 1.4 is Dropsuit balance, and it is a big patch so I assume that CCP has done some dropsuit side tweaking, that we haven't been shown yet, to balance what I have stated above. Something I said in another thread. The Shield suit is still vastly superior to the GK.0 with higher speed, more resistance to all forms of damage types, snd higher overall repair.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1083	Posted - 2013.08.16 14:13:00 - [2] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Argon Gas wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Argon Gas wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Call Of Duty Calls You Go So not wanting suits to be pushed way above their intended eHP = Call of Duty? Logic not found. Logic not found because you avoid it CoD has no dropsuits , items ala Dust some people You know there are other things other than HP mods... I want those to become more popular, rather than everyone and their mother stacking HP mods, because that's boring. so YOU want people to suit YOUR play style why? what makes you so special? who are you to impose what people should use to play? srsly how old are you? i hope you a kid , otherwise shame on you living that long... Are you sure its his playstyle or the playstyle CCP intended. If you look at a Dual tanking suit you can see that they are not even meant to do that, except the Amarr suit because in Dust they are dual tanks and that is why they have more CPU/PG.For example look at the CPU/PG restrictions you impose on yourself for dual tanking the only reason why it is possible is because the fitting costs aren't higher. If you actually play around with the fitting costs per module and look at which modules synergize best you can pretty much fit everything prototype as long as your not dual tanking, so obviously dual tanking was not intended and if it was it was meant to give you an omni tank but a very restrictive suit with a crappy weapon and bad equipment.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1083	Posted - 2013.08.16 14:18:00 - [3] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: whats dual tanking? i think he is referring to suits running armor and shield modules medium frames...well the caldari is shield i do'nt think it really has the resources to have an effective shield while armor tanking...the amarian is a dual tank type to begin with gallente can run shields but the shields don't compare to that of a caldaris. theyy are a mockery and min suits have ** for hp and are speedy...this is how dust is...heavies have been nerfed to oblivion and are slowly being buffed back up...armor tanking is being redone ass are the racial bonuses. lav collision is being nerfed do none of you cry babies keep up with current events. besides heavy suits have forge gun and as a forge gun user i know how price effective they are forge gun is one of the cheapest ways to run dust accessible to only heavies. so what if hmg running sucks for u atm grab your forge and wait for ccp to fix things stop flooding the forums with tears. BL4CKST4R wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote:** Not necessarily. Every suit will be affected positively by this buff not just the Gallente. Here is a number crunched Assault ck.0 and a Assault gk.0 done with all skills level 5. Assault ck.0 2x Complex Shield extenders 2x Complex Light damage modifiers 2x Enhanced Armor plates 1x Complex Armor repairer CPU- 309/394 PG- 63/79 Shield- 408 Armor- 392 EHP- 800 Shield Recharge Rate- 31.25 Shield Delay- 5 Shield Depleted Delay- 8 Armor Repair Rate- 6.25 Movement- 4.72 Sprint- 6.94 Assault gk.0 1x Complex Shield extender 2x Complex Light damage modifiers 3x Enhanced Armor plates 1x Complex Armor repairer CPU- 275/394 PG- 58/79 Shield- 223 Armor- 625 EHP- 848 Shield Recharge Rate- 25 Shield Delay- 7 Shield Depleted Delay- 10 Armor Repair Rate- 6.25 Movement- 4.64 Sprint- 6.82 Conclusion, the GK.0 has 48 more HP but less CPU/PG restrictions. The speed difference between both these suits is 1.7%, while each suit is being penalized 5.6% and 7.8% respectively. The GK.0 has a way slower over all repair in HP, especially with the bulk of his HP being in armor. Also keep in mind the majority of weapons that are to come will be anti armor and all burst damage weapons are anti armor, therefore shields are more resistant to damage than armor thus their overall HP is higher than what you can see numerically. 1.4 is Dropsuit balance, and it is a big patch so I assume that CCP has done some dropsuit side tweaking, that we haven't been shown yet, to balance what I have stated above. Something I said in another thread. The Shield suit is still vastly superior to the GK.0 with higher speed, more resistance to all forms of damage types, snd higher overall repair. EDIT: Adding the penalty will just make suits switch to Armor tanking because people assume high numbers is always better Trust me on this that 500 shields is more useful than 500 armor. Ways to force suits not to dual tank: - Remove a low from Caldari suits - Nerf the Armor HP of Caldari suits buff their Shield HP Nerf shield HP of Gallente suits Buff their Armor HP (But make their Armor HP higher than the Shield HP of Caldari suits) - Fitting restrictions per suit, force Caldari suits to not use more than 2 armor modules, force Gallente suits to not use more than 2 shield modules. - ETC ETC I have purposely made these extremely brutal and penalizing ^

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