DUST Search - Dual tanking is the source of all evil

Vespasian Andendare wrote:

Argon Gas wrote:

It's the reason why medium frames can push to the same eHP as a heavy, and a scout feeling like he's taking on a wall that is not that much slower than him.

Dual tanking needs to be eliminated, so that medium frames aren't pushed above and beyond what they're supposed to be.

Put those damn penalties on shields.

Don't wait for 1.5, because with the reduced penalties on armor and increased HP, all the medium frames will now go bezerk with huge amounts of eHP, with no real downsides.

If you have the penalty on shields, that means a dual tanker has two sets of downsides, rather than one.
Making the suit, theoretically capable, a mess on the battlefield.

Edit:
For those that don't know, CCP is waiting for 1.5 before adding a penalty on shields.
The penalty is increased recharge delay for shield extenders.

Give me something more compelling to put in the highs as a logi and I'll think about not dual tanking. But I don't need damage mods to do my job.


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Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2013.08.16 13:42:00 - [1] - Quote It's the reason why medium frames can push to the same eHP as a heavy, and a scout feeling like he's taking on a wall that is not that much slower than him. Dual tanking needs to be eliminated, so that medium frames aren't pushed above and beyond what they're supposed to be. Put those damn penalties on shields. Don't wait for 1.5, because with the reduced penalties on armor and increased HP, all the medium frames will now go bezerk with huge amounts of eHP, with no real downsides. If you have the penalty on shields, that means a dual tanker has two sets of downsides, rather than one. Making the suit, theoretically capable, a mess on the battlefield. Edit: For those that don't know, CCP is waiting for 1.5 before adding a penalty on shields. The penalty is increased recharge delay for shield extenders.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2013.08.16 13:47:00 - [2] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: whats dual tanking? When shield mommy and armor daddy love each other very very much...
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2013.08.16 13:51:00 - [3] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: SCAT mania wrote: Argon Gas wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: whats dual tanking? When shield mommy and armor daddy love each other very very much... LOL THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: whats dual tanking? its when a player uses both shield and armor modules to increase their hp. so we have to fight naked because someone cant aim? No. I believe CCP intended only either armor or shields to be used per suit, not both. Because that's how it's done in EVE. And it looks like when you do that, the eHP values seem reasonable. But when you use both, it looks like waaaaay above the intended eHP.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2013.08.16 13:53:00 - [4] - Quote Mamertine Son wrote: Argon Gas wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: whats dual tanking? When shield mommy and armor daddy love each other very very much... Then what happens? EDIT: and why do shields have to play the mommy? Then magic happens :) Oh and shield is mommy because shields are smaller (less eHP) but more agile. Daddy is big and lumbering like armor.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2013.08.16 13:56:00 - [5] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: As a duel tanking heavy i say HTFU Heavies are fine with dual tanking I think.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2013.08.16 13:57:00 - [6] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Call Of Duty Calls You Go So not wanting suits to be pushed way above their intended eHP = Call of Duty? Logic not found.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 79	Posted - 2013.08.16 13:59:00 - [7] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: Argon Gas wrote: It's the reason why medium frames can push to the same eHP as a heavy, and a scout feeling like he's taking on a wall that is not that much slower than him. Dual tanking needs to be eliminated, so that medium frames aren't pushed above and beyond what they're supposed to be. Put those damn penalties on shields. Don't wait for 1.5, because with the reduced penalties on armor and increased HP, all the medium frames will now go bezerk with huge amounts of eHP, with no real downsides. If you have the penalty on shields, that means a dual tanker has two sets of downsides, rather than one. Making the suit, theoretically capable, a mess on the battlefield. Edit: For those that don't know, CCP is waiting for 1.5 before adding a penalty on shields. The penalty is increased recharge delay for shield extenders. Give me something more compelling to put in the highs as a logi and I'll think about not dual tanking. But I don't need damage mods to do my job. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1144807#post1144807 How about this? :3
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 79	Posted - 2013.08.16 14:01:00 - [8] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Argon Gas wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Call Of Duty Calls You Go So not wanting suits to be pushed way above their intended eHP = Call of Duty? Logic not found. Logic not found because you avoid it CoD has no dropsuits , items ala Dust some people You know there are other things other than HP mods... I want those to become more popular, rather than everyone and their mother stacking HP mods, because that's boring.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 79	Posted - 2013.08.16 14:07:00 - [9] - Quote Eddie Rio wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: whats dual tanking? its when a player uses both shield and armor modules to increase their hp. so we have to fight naked because someone cant aim?[/quote] No. I believe CCP intended only either armor or shields to be used per suit, not both. Because that's how it's done in EVE. And it looks like when you do that, the eHP values seem reasonable. But when you use both, it looks like waaaaay above the intended eHP.[/quote] nope you can duel tank in eve as well if you wish, the point of doing this is to give diversity in my eyes, to truly experiment with fittings and come up with something different... dont forget if a player duel tanks, they loose something else, speed mods or shield regen speed, or dps, profile damp etc... i used to fit ships in eve that had bonus's for armour with shield mods, this would confuse the enemy. i think duel tanking is ok, as every one can do it if they wish, nothing to stop a heavy putting on shield mods as well as armour, but he pays the price of loosing dps. if you take away this ability all fits will just end up being the same, surely... choice.... [/quote] But them problem is that EVERYONE is dual tanking. No one is going for anything else because it's the best. If there was a penalty, dual tanking would become a true choice rather than a must.
Argon Gas Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 81	Posted - 2013.08.16 14:08:00 - [10] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Argon Gas wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Argon Gas wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Call Of Duty Calls You Go So not wanting suits to be pushed way above their intended eHP = Call of Duty? Logic not found. Logic not found because you avoid it CoD has no dropsuits , items ala Dust some people You know there are other things other than HP mods... I want those to become more popular, rather than everyone and their mother stacking HP mods, because that's boring. so YOU want people to suit YOUR play style why? what makes you so special? who are you to impose what people should use to play? srsly how old are you? i hope you a kid , otherwise shame on you living that long... It's not about my playstyle. It's about one playstyle being the absolute best. No one is doing anything else. "srsly how old are you? I hope you a kid, otherwise hame on you living that long..." Is my response to you.