Whilst the 30hp extra may not be worth the speed loss I don't think it needs an extra slot because it has an absurd amount of cpu/pg in comparison to the other suits. This basically equates to the other suits needing to run a fitting mod to keep up with it bringing them down to 6 total slots like the Amarr suit.

1 complex extender
2 complex damage or 2 more extenders
2 enhanced plates
1 complex repper
duvolle
six kin
core locus
k-2

Now im more than positive than no amount of core skills or cpu/pg reduction skills will allow you to fit that onto another assault without a fitting mod, hell I think you would probably need a cpu and pg upgrade cause that basically maxes my 453 cpu and 92 pg and the other medium suits cant touch that.

Probably would if the suit wasn't so flexible in its tanking options, hell running 3 extenders, 2 regulators and a complex rep nets you 600+ ehp with 443 shields starting recharge after three seconds, a fun fit I use often and very much in line with the Amarr ideals.

This makes me chuckle. My shield tanking amarr suits are usually much more hearty on the field.

I do run a fit with a complex plate and a complex repper with damage mods from time to time. The decent pool of ehp plus an extra boost to my scramblers already devastating charge shot is effective if you can keep them at range.

I hope CCP keeps working on armor tanking so I'll be able bale to not feel like I'm gimping myself by leaving the extenders at home.

@Zeylon Rho

The speed loss is only -0.03.

>..>

Looking Badass = no combat advantage <= It does for me XD

Need for stamina is relative - how much time do assaults spend running to and fro? The penalty is against move speed, move speed more directly translates to your ability to strafe and not die than sprint "time" (still slower sprinting as well).

AT biotics Lv 5 the speed difference is undetectable compared to other suits,and i can still run from an objective to the other without having to rest.So stamina = Less time in the open = Less damage.

Your CPU/PG are in fact, lower than a Logi's (for awhile it was higher than the Amarr Logi for some reason though). Interestingly, Amarr assault has the highest CPU/PG, followed by... Minmatar (lowest health), then Caldari/Gallente. So, you get the impression that the CPU/PG probably aren't directly related to HP or Speed.

The CPU IS Lower, i think the PG is still higher than the logi.This is because Assault amarrs are designed to carry LAser weaponry,that are indeed very expensive PG wise.

I wouldn't complain about their shield regen in particular, though it's not the highest either.
JAck of all trades bro.IT aint the worst either

The laser bonus is extremely situational as a bonus. It means the Amarr is sort of pigeon-holed into using a Laser Rifle or Scrambler to make use of their suit bonus, and these are weapon restrictions that other suits don't have. A caldari shield bonus is useful any time you use shields (often for most you'd think), whereas a laser-based restriction leaves you with a more narrow set of options as far as making the most of your suit.
We agree that the bonus is what really holds this suit back. BUT at the same time i apreciate it,i know how good amarr assault are and with another bonus, (Say 2% reload on light weapons for example) it would be the FOTM for sure.

In fact, in seems like the devs were basically saying "use a laser", as that also accounts for the PG/CPU difference. A scrambler rifle is the most PG-heavy weapon in the entire game. A STD-level Scrambler requires 11 PG, weight that against an AR. At PRO, the Imp Scrambler is 20 PG, that's higher than a PRO Forge gun (which is the next highest). To make the most use of your Amarr suit you need to use weapons with high fitting reqs that will tax your higher-than-average fittings.

They are designed for this weapons yup. as an amarr soldier i appreciate my suit lets me make the most of amarr weapons. AKA Laser/Scrambler rifles. If people want to use The flavor of the month weapon then go use another suit.

The lack of a slot may be intended to prevent the Amarr Ass. from abusing their high fitting overly much.
Indeed,but its still good since the amarr assault gains a lot of benefits from passive skills,plus if i can equip complex stuff in at least 5 of those 6 slots im happy.

Still, the HP trend is clear across the suits:

More HP = slower, Less HP = faster // At level 5 , the amarr suit has 450HP WIthout any modules.You are not THAT slow that cant survive with 800+ EHEM at proto level. I run an Amarr assault ADV and have 700 EHEP >..>

More specifically, that 30 HP is worth -4% movement/sprint. <==solved with Biotics Lv5, Passive +5%

You can explain the fitting and slot without looking at that. The one-slot for PG/CPU, stamina, but +laser specialty only is a more wonky comparison to draw. TRUE that.

This comparison in HP difference carries over to the Logi frames as well, even though the slot/fitting discussion becomes irrelevant. At least Amarr logis have 2 great bonuses, useful in many situations.

So, to re-focus topic, let's say this is about the hp difference and speed difference alone. The hp difference & speed hit are true across all the medium frames (and the scout technically). If armor has been adjusted to have less of a speed hit for more hp, shouldn't the fact the Amarr gets 30 hp for a 4% speed hit be looked at?
4% Speed is to gain a Lot of little advantages. If you compare -4% speed to 30HP, it does seem bad.But its 4% speed for:+30HP,200 stamina(highest of all assaults),a LOT of CPU/Pg,amarr weapon bonus,20 HP shield regen(minnies would love this). SO i think he 4% speed loss is legit. YOu make it sound like Amarr suit is just a Caldari/Gallante with 30 more HP and -4% speed....

This is bearing in mind that the other suit differences can be explained in other ways, and that movement speed is the key factor in strafing and most combat (and can't be compensated for with modules)
Yes it can. 1 Complex Kin cat and you amar will sprint at 8 with 200 staminal.LOL.
And the best thing is, you DO have the CPU and PG to equip this easily....

I don't necessarily think the hp of the Amarr should be buffed and everything else left the same.

It's more about the concept of them adjusting what the relative value of armor is vs. shields and the speed penalties that are implied there. The Amarr is just the poster child for the issue since they were more specifically flagged as "slower and more hp".

The devs increased the relative amount of hp on armor plates while decreasing speed penalties. For balance issues, this makes me question where the Amarr is at with a 4% speed penalty and 30 more hp (compare to any armor plate), but the relative hp of commandos, Gallente suits, etc. is also worth looking at. It's perhaps even more relevant with respect to the TTK discussions and AA.

A Gallente assault suit's hp is the same as a Caldari, but flipped. One is armor tanked, and one shield tanked. The shield hp are relatively more valuable, as they restore themselves and are harder to get (shield extenders grant less than armor plates). Both suits are the same speed, though even with Ferroscale plates the Gallente would have more hp relatively speaking.

So, it's not just an Amarr suit issue, but it's perhaps more of a concern with the Amarr because they're pushed as "beefier" and in-context your 30hp of beefiness (marginal) is being paid for by a speed penalty that is overly punitive (4%) compared to most armor plates.

I'd keep the speeds the same and just adjust the hp of the suits. It might help TTK issues to some degree (ok, probably not).