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Bhavesh Prajapat
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:22:00 -
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To Mass Driver haters,
I have MD at LVL. 5 with plans to be proficient. If you can't kill me then your skills in your chosen weapon are NOT high enough.
Once there was a time where hardly anyone used MD. And I hated how U.P it was. We used to have 4 shots and that was a piece of number two.
And most people who use Mass Drivers currently have adequate skills to have a higher blast radius.
I get killed by Duovolle AR all the time, I get killed by Ishukone Assault FG a little less often, I get killed by EXO-5 Mass Drivers, Charge SR.
My point is - running around in Assault- Medic/Frontline not only directly affects how much ISK/SP (can't remember which one) you get at the end of the match but you will be DEMOLISHED.
And my point of realisation is my KDR, one particular example 11/15 and also 20/14. <--- AND YOU TELL ME ITS OP.
MD users face the same issue as FP users, Scrambler rifle users and Laser Rifle users. You can kill yourself very easily and definitely not too easily. It is the punishment we get and for that reason we only get 2-3k ISK at the end of a match and a little more if you use Proto Gear.
A little note to CCP Devs and GMs: adding two extra shots in the round was and is a good idea and I hope it stays like that because at the moment people don't know diddly squat about what Minmatar means and Mass Drivers suit them perfectly - keep it like that.
So stop complaining. And get some SP. |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
313
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:31:00 -
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Bhavesh Prajapat wrote:To Mass Driver haters,
I have MD at LVL. 5 with plans to be proficient. If you can't kill me then your skills in your chosen weapon are NOT high enough.
Once there was a time where hardly anyone used MD. And I hated how U.P it was. We used to have 4 shots and that was a piece of number two.
And most people who use Mass Drivers currently have adequate skills to have a higher blast radius.
I get killed by Duovolle AR all the time, I get killed by Ishukone Assault FG a little less often, I get killed by EXO-5 Mass Drivers, Charge SR.
My point is - running around in Assault- Medic/Frontline not only directly affects how much ISK/SP (can't remember which one) you get at the end of the match but you will be DEMOLISHED.
And my point of realisation is my KDR, one particular example 11/15 and also 20/14. <--- AND YOU TELL ME ITS OP.
MD users face the same issue as FP users, Scrambler rifle users and Laser Rifle users. You can kill yourself very easily and definitely not too easily. It is the punishment we get and for that reason we only get 2-3k ISK at the end of a match and a little more if you use Proto Gear.
A little note to CCP Devs and GMs: adding two extra shots in the round was and is a good idea and I hope it stays like that because at the moment people don't know diddly squat about what Minmatar means and Mass Drivers suit them perfectly - keep it like that.
So stop complaining. And get some SP. But but they say the AR takes skill... upcoming update throws that argument out of the windows. Lolaimassist. The mass driver is fine, it's the people who act foolish and try to rush us that's dumb. I guess we should nerf tactics. |
SteelDark Knight
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
93
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:34:00 -
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I am sorry. The collective intelligence and wisdom of the player base has decided that you good sir are OP and should be nerfed. In addition, you should have used your clairvoyant ability or followed the massive amount of communication from CCP on this matter and know prior to making this choice (It has consequences!)
You sir are bad and should feel bad. IGÇÖm sorry, there is no possibility at all that it is not your fault that there are balance issues and if there are you created them (Congratz your OP) as it could not be in any way or fashion a developers fault.
Prepare to feel the hammer inGǪ3GǪ2GǪ1GǪ
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2989
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:36:00 -
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Lastly: If you don't like getting killed by mass drivers, don't run exactly where they want you to run.
Tight corridors= bad Anywhere below them= bad staying still in light cover= bad |
Bhavesh Prajapat
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:39:00 -
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SteelDark Knight wrote:I am sorry. The collective intelligence and wisdom of the player base has decided that you good sir are OP and should be nerfed. In addition, you should have used your clairvoyant ability or followed the massive amount of communication from CCP on this matter and know prior to making this choice (It has consequences!)
You sir are bad and should feel bad. IGÇÖm sorry, there is no possibility at all that it is not your fault that there are balance issues and if there are you created them (Congratz your OP) as it could not be in any way or fashion a developers fault.
Prepare to feel the hammer inGǪ3GǪ2GǪ1GǪ
"Collective Intelligence" you say? Tell me where you find a thread the collectively supports an MD nerf |
Bhavesh Prajapat
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:42:00 -
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Bhavesh Prajapat wrote:SteelDark Knight wrote:I am sorry. The collective intelligence and wisdom of the player base has decided that you good sir are OP and should be nerfed. In addition, you should have used your clairvoyant ability or followed the massive amount of communication from CCP on this matter and know prior to making this choice (It has consequences!)
You sir are bad and should feel bad. IGÇÖm sorry, there is no possibility at all that it is not your fault that there are balance issues and if there are you created them (Congratz your OP) as it could not be in any way or fashion a developers fault.
Prepare to feel the hammer inGǪ3GǪ2GǪ1GǪ
"Collective Intelligence" you say? Tell me where you find a thread the collectively supports an MD nerf
Also................ SOLID PAR. |
Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
190
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:44:00 -
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Bhavesh Prajapat wrote:To Mass Driver haters,
I have MD at LVL. 5 with plans to be proficient. If you can't kill me then your skills in your chosen weapon are NOT high enough.
Once there was a time where hardly anyone used MD. And I hated how U.P it was. We used to have 4 shots and that was a piece of number two.
And most people who use Mass Drivers currently have adequate skills to have a higher blast radius.
I get killed by Duovolle AR all the time, I get killed by Ishukone Assault FG a little less often, I get killed by EXO-5 Mass Drivers, Charge SR.
My point is - running around in Assault- Medic/Frontline not only directly affects how much ISK/SP (can't remember which one) you get at the end of the match but you will be DEMOLISHED.
And my point of realisation is my KDR, one particular example 11/15 and also 20/14. <--- AND YOU TELL ME ITS OP.
MD users face the same issue as FP users, Scrambler rifle users and Laser Rifle users. You can kill yourself very easily and definitely not too easily. It is the punishment we get and for that reason we only get 2-3k ISK at the end of a match and a little more if you use Proto Gear.
A little note to CCP Devs and GMs: adding two extra shots in the round was and is a good idea and I hope it stays like that because at the moment people don't know diddly squat about what Minmatar means and Mass Drivers suit them perfectly - keep it like that.
So stop complaining. And get some SP.
here guys we have a FOTM noob... Dont be mad when your freedom is taken away... |
SteelDark Knight
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
93
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:48:00 -
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Bhavesh Prajapat wrote:SteelDark Knight wrote:I am sorry. The collective intelligence and wisdom of the player base has decided that you good sir are OP and should be nerfed. In addition, you should have used your clairvoyant ability or followed the massive amount of communication from CCP on this matter and know prior to making this choice (It has consequences!)
You sir are bad and should feel bad. IGÇÖm sorry, there is no possibility at all that it is not your fault that there are balance issues and if there are you created them (Congratz your OP) as it could not be in any way or fashion a developers fault.
Prepare to feel the hammer inGǪ3GǪ2GǪ1GǪ
"Collective Intelligence" you say? Tell me where you find a thread the collectively supports an MD nerf
Good sir those that disagree with this simply are not a member of the collective and thus can not be counted! I mean, if they did not know in advance that this weapon of mass destruction was OP than very simply how can I count them as intelligent or wise?
;) |
Bhavesh Prajapat
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:02:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Bhavesh Prajapat wrote:To Mass Driver haters,
I have MD at LVL. 5 with plans to be proficient. If you can't kill me then your skills in your chosen weapon are NOT high enough.
Once there was a time where hardly anyone used MD. And I hated how U.P it was. We used to have 4 shots and that was a piece of number two.
And most people who use Mass Drivers currently have adequate skills to have a higher blast radius.
I get killed by Duovolle AR all the time, I get killed by Ishukone Assault FG a little less often, I get killed by EXO-5 Mass Drivers, Charge SR.
My point is - running around in Assault- Medic/Frontline not only directly affects how much ISK/SP (can't remember which one) you get at the end of the match but you will be DEMOLISHED.
And my point of realisation is my KDR, one particular example 11/15 and also 20/14. <--- AND YOU TELL ME ITS OP.
MD users face the same issue as FP users, Scrambler rifle users and Laser Rifle users. You can kill yourself very easily and definitely not too easily. It is the punishment we get and for that reason we only get 2-3k ISK at the end of a match and a little more if you use Proto Gear.
A little note to CCP Devs and GMs: adding two extra shots in the round was and is a good idea and I hope it stays like that because at the moment people don't know diddly squat about what Minmatar means and Mass Drivers suit them perfectly - keep it like that.
So stop complaining. And get some SP. here guys we have a FOTM noob... Dont be mad when your freedom is taken away...
I can guarantee that the next FOTM will be Shotgun/Scout and I'm not going for that, and you know why - Mass Driver won't be massively nerfed. Maybe this "Collective Knowledge" bullplop might supersede common sense and AR users aren't exactly getting stick for what they do - do they? I didn't think so and for that reason any Mass Driver balancing is un-called for.
Mass Drivers are only "OP" because 3k noobs think so.
Tell me what weapon of choice you have...
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
521
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:16:00 -
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I've one hit head shot with my MD from long range a couple of times, that is hard even with a stationary target. It takes skill. |
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Bhavesh Prajapat
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:18:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:I've one hit head shot with my MD from long range a couple of times, that is hard even with a stationary target. It takes skill.
Agreed, the slow missile is something to consider from a distance. You'll always have to guess it'll be when it hits something.
A learning curve with the MD definitely. |
SteelDark Knight
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
94
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:22:00 -
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Quote:Tell me what weapon of choice you have...
Based on the collectives input I use Nova Knives and Plasma Cannons. They are obviously balanced and fair. Choices have consequences and I for one shall not go near anything that might even give a hint of being adequate on the field of battle so that I do not risk the collective intelligence's wrath and coming nerf.
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
334
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:28:00 -
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Any one who cries about ANYTHING in a war game should not be playing war games. In war there are many weapons so guess what? This game is no different. Explosives and camping rule the real world. The same goes for all war games! |
Bhavesh Prajapat
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:29:00 -
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SteelDark Knight wrote:Based on the collectives input I use Nova Knives and Plasma Cannons. They are obviously balanced and fair. Choices have consequences and I for one shall not go near anything that might even give a hint of being adequate on the field of battle so that I do not risk the collective intelligence's wrath and coming nerf.
I skilled quite a bit into Plasma Cannon and, I used it for it's purpose so I hunted some vehicles but I always found that FG/SL easily stole destroys.
Drove me crazy
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xLT Green
Damage Core corp. The Superpowers
22
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:35:00 -
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All of those words were said when the flaylock was under the microscope. MD fanboys are the new flaylock fanboys. I understand that its been underpowered for some time now and finally is good in the hands of vets and noobs alike, but crying that its fine the way it is is childish if ccp finds a reason to dumb it down they will balance it like the flaylock and TACAR. Ccp is getting better at ther balancing not great but good. Just remember they have never made a FPS before and this game is one giant beta. The flaylock is still awesome and so will be the mass driver so stop being a fan boy except the evadable and for the most part stop crying about how crappy this gun has been just give it some time |
xLT Green
Damage Core corp. The Superpowers
22
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:37:00 -
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O and the idea of having a fully auto MD would be amazing |
HandOGod
Taints of Tartarus
45
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:41:00 -
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MD's are just annoying.
Just get rid of them, along with the flaylock.
Whether they are OP or not, I dont care. I hate them and everyone who uses them. |
Bhavesh Prajapat
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:43:00 -
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xLT Green wrote:O and the idea of having a fully auto MD would be amazing
This Comment reminds me of Resistance 3's Mutate/Combat Armor beserk.
Just thought I should share that. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
1485
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:45:00 -
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Ah, I've seen this like what, 3-4 times? Man at least I can still use them when they are UP. |
Bhavesh Prajapat
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:52:00 -
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HandOGod wrote:MD's are just annoying.
Just get rid of them, along with the flaylock.
Whether they are OP or not, I dont care. I hate them and everyone who uses them.
I'm sure the Community says that for Forge Gun users, Flaylock Pistol users, HMG users, Assault Rifle users and oh wait, every other gun in the game isn't balanced properly. (Take a hint from that)
Games like call of duty and what other stuff require you achieve a certain level before attaining X weapon.
Dust requires that you invest time and effort into unlocking the best gear possible meanwhile being Proficient affects how much residual SP you have to invest in other weapons.
Doesn't this make the MD look like a MLT Scrambler Pistol in comparison to Tac AR and other Proto Gear.
The reality is most MD users are NOT Proto. It costs a little too much to be Proto therefore is doesn't pay very well and you'll end up in negative profit. Hardly any of us use Proto and that is a reality that doesn't transfer over the AR users or Snipers.
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Bhavesh Prajapat
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:53:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Ah, I've seen this like what, 3-4 times? Man at least I can still use them when they are UP.
Maybe Plasma Cannon will undergo the same fate as Mass Drivers > buffed, used, nerfed, ignored.
That's a new trend. |
Bhavesh Prajapat
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:57:00 -
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Bhavesh Prajapat wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Ah, I've seen this like what, 3-4 times? Man at least I can still use them when they are UP. Maybe Plasma Cannon will undergo the same fate as Mass Drivers > buffed, used, nerfed, ignored. That's a new trend.
Brings me onto another point.
CCP won't always bring in massively OP guns, they will probably UPer them before introducing them so they know how the Community likes the guns, take for example Flaylock, nerfed, but still effective.
I hope this holds for Plasma Cannon. |
KingBabar
Ancient Exiles
1055
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Posted - 2013.08.15 20:21:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:Any one who cries about ANYTHING in a war game should not be playing war games. In war there are many weapons so guess what? This game is no different. Explosives and camping rule the real world. The same goes for all war games!
Not MAG |
Bhavesh Prajapat
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.08.15 20:26:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Any one who cries about ANYTHING in a war game should not be playing war games. In war there are many weapons so guess what? This game is no different. Explosives and camping rule the real world. The same goes for all war games! Not MAG
On a side note was it you that had the Dropship when we were in the same game. |
Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
191
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:01:00 -
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Bhavesh Prajapat wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Bhavesh Prajapat wrote:To Mass Driver haters,
I have MD at LVL. 5 with plans to be proficient. If you can't kill me then your skills in your chosen weapon are NOT high enough.
Once there was a time where hardly anyone used MD. And I hated how U.P it was. We used to have 4 shots and that was a piece of number two.
And most people who use Mass Drivers currently have adequate skills to have a higher blast radius.
I get killed by Duovolle AR all the time, I get killed by Ishukone Assault FG a little less often, I get killed by EXO-5 Mass Drivers, Charge SR.
My point is - running around in Assault- Medic/Frontline not only directly affects how much ISK/SP (can't remember which one) you get at the end of the match but you will be DEMOLISHED.
And my point of realisation is my KDR, one particular example 11/15 and also 20/14. <--- AND YOU TELL ME ITS OP.
MD users face the same issue as FP users, Scrambler rifle users and Laser Rifle users. You can kill yourself very easily and definitely not too easily. It is the punishment we get and for that reason we only get 2-3k ISK at the end of a match and a little more if you use Proto Gear.
A little note to CCP Devs and GMs: adding two extra shots in the round was and is a good idea and I hope it stays like that because at the moment people don't know diddly squat about what Minmatar means and Mass Drivers suit them perfectly - keep it like that.
So stop complaining. And get some SP. here guys we have a FOTM noob... Dont be mad when your freedom is taken away... I can guarantee that the next FOTM will be Shotgun/Scout and I'm not going for that, and you know why - Mass Driver won't be massively nerfed. Maybe this "Collective Knowledge" bullplop might supersede common sense and AR users aren't exactly getting stick for what they do - do they? I didn't think so and for that reason any Mass Driver balancing is un-called for. Mass Drivers are only "OP" because 3k noobs think so. Tell me what weapon of choice you have...
A Tank.. lol |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1290
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:06:00 -
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Bhavesh Prajapat wrote:To Mass Driver haters,
I have MD at LVL. 5 with plans to be proficient. If you can't kill me then your skills in your chosen weapon are NOT high enough.
Once there was a time where hardly anyone used MD. And I hated how U.P it was. We used to have 4 shots and that was a piece of number two.
And most people who use Mass Drivers currently have adequate skills to have a higher blast radius.
I get killed by Duovolle AR all the time, I get killed by Ishukone Assault FG a little less often, I get killed by EXO-5 Mass Drivers, Charge SR.
My point is - running around in Assault- Medic/Frontline not only directly affects how much ISK/SP (can't remember which one) you get at the end of the match but you will be DEMOLISHED.
And my point of realisation is my KDR, one particular example 11/15 and also 20/14. <--- AND YOU TELL ME ITS OP.
MD users face the same issue as FP users, Scrambler rifle users and Laser Rifle users. You can kill yourself very easily and definitely not too easily. It is the punishment we get and for that reason we only get 203k ISK at the end of a match and a little more if you use Proto Gear.
A little note to CCP Devs and GMs: adding two extra shots in the round was and is a good idea and I hope it stays like that because at the moment people don't know diddly squat about what Minmatar means and Mass Drivers suit them perfectly - keep it like that.
So stop complaining. And get some SP.
While I agree with the sentiment you clearl have no idea how different the play style between Amarrian weapons (ScR and LR) and you dirty Minmatar weapons is.
You get rewarded for moderate accuracy with the capacity to spread damage across multiple targets, and too take down armour. If you are blowing yourself up in CQC.... you probably shouldn't be there but hey.
Amarrian weapon users get rewarded for accuracy at long range with pr+¬cised high damage potential weapons, which have the chance to overheat, which any God fearing Amarrian lives in fear of.
TLDR you do not face them same trials we do, you have your own and that's what makes the MD unique and interesting.
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Eldest Dragon
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
74
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:13:00 -
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As far as md's go, there a suppressant weapon, so in closed in places or tight corridors you should get wrecked. But out in the open they should fall to my ar, and currently they win more than not, they imo are op. And for any of you trolls i'm awesome with my ar its my main weapon, FYI I also have it maxed, so skill with it sp wise or as a player isnt the problem if you want to make sure of this i'll see ya on the battlefield . |
Draka Marintu
TeamPlayers EoN.
107
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:14:00 -
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If 1.4 fixes hit detection mass drivers will be dead before they can empty their clip. If 1.4 doesn't fix hit detection ccp may nerf it. |
Draka Marintu
TeamPlayers EoN.
107
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:16:00 -
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btw 1 mass driver isn't a problem but when everyone spams them they're overly effective |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
337
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:18:00 -
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HandOGod wrote:MD's are just annoying.
Just get rid of them, along with the flaylock.
Whether they are OP or not, I dont care. I hate them and everyone who uses them. Then stop playing war games. Go plays some stupid sports or something. |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
4247
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:19:00 -
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MD won't get nerfed. Once lasers become the new FotM, everyone will be complaining about those again. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
319
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:19:00 -
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Eldest Dragon wrote:As far as md's go, there a suppressant weapon, so in closed in places or tight corridors you should get wrecked. But out in the open they should fall to my ar, and currently they win more than not, they imo are op. And for any of you trolls i'm awesome with my ar its my main weapon, FYI I also have it maxed, so skill with it sp wise or as a player isnt the problem if you want to make sure of this i'll see ya on the battlefield . ( I think the problem is the rof ).
Nerfing the Assault RoF goes against it's suppression purpose, and nerfing the already bad Breach RoF would make it useless. |
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