But I like afk farming . YOU CANT TAKE THAT FROM ME!

Just get rid of the floor in the MCC. Spawn players in strapped to the ceiling. A press of x starts the fall similar to how it works now. Fail to press x in some amount of time, say 2 min, and the drop happens anyway.

You're contracted to fight.

This is the stick method that I'm trying to avoid. Any attempt to "force" players to play before giving them reasons to play will only have a negative impact on the game.

Before they fix AFK, how about fixing this first?

If AFK is a priority, and gets fixed over what I just linked first, then F this game. Nothing will ever get fixed, and the game will get somehow worse than it is.

This is an excellent example of why the initial design goal of this game doesn't work

As Torfi said, "If all the EVE players were to die from a meteor strike, Dust would still work. If all the Dust players were to die from a meteor strike, EVE would still work."

The only way this works is if the games remain so independent of each other that no feeling of interaction or integration can really be given without going against this goal.

The time has obviously come to stop fearing the consequences and just push integration.

Right now that little EVE over the logo doesn't really mean anything, but it should.

What would keep me from AFking? Well, I honestly don't care about EVE and any connection it has to this game, I play Dust not EVE.

The biggest issue I have with the current Sp system is that it is too much of a grind, and all the skills are too much of a SP sink. I could spend weeks capping out and all that would do is let me upgrade two level 4 skills (like engineering and electronics), IMO that is completely lame. Spend a month capping and grinding like crazy just so I can get an extra 5% in CPU and PG?

Two things that would get me out of the MCC and playing:

1. Balance! Pub matches are so horrendously unbalanced, especially if I am playing solo (which is what I prefer). Too many times I get put on the team full of randoms while the other team is stacked with well known players/corps in 6 man squads. Something is pretty wrong with the game when I can predict the matches outcome 99% of the time before the match has even started.

Not only does this game need some kind of matchmaking that works, but also we desperately need squad-free modes. I play games to have fun, not to get frustrated beyond belief due to terribly unbalanced matches 9/10 times.


2. Triple XP should be the norm! Since the SP system is such a grind and sink, we need to triple our SP income to make it less of a grind and more of a "well if I play real hard for a few days I can get all this fun stuff". Which not only makes it easier to get excited about trying a new weapon or finally going proto, but we will be less restricted to one suit and can play multiple roles based on the situation.

They just need to make it profitable enough to play the game vs. sitting in the MCC.

We need three changes:

1. Overhaul of the WP system to better reward people for actions that do not involve killing. This will probably include decoupling PSs from WPs and moving to a timer system.

2. SP Rollover system so people don't feel compelled to cap out every week.

3. Better reward of SP for WPs accumulated.

This is the stick method that I'm trying to avoid. Any attempt to "force" players to play before giving them reasons to play will only have a negative impact on the game.

Pig very good post. M+¦bius, good follow up

CCP is this news to you or do you discuss this very issue in the office?

Shut up, trolls, I would Love to hear a CCP response

Why won't CCP tell us what they are thinking. I don't even want to ask about plans, roadmaps, dates etc

Just post to your community, CCP, about the topics and issues with DUST that you think and talk about

Geeez, I am tired of the brick wall

What like causing the people who offer nothing to the game to leave? Boo hoo

Going AFK to gain sp or ISK isn't going to solve anything. If you would rather hide behind cover until everything you need is given to you, then you need to realize that kd means nothing if you aren't having fun. I feel that starting sp is way too low, but I don't agree with the AFK mentality. Play or quit.

I'm not sure if you quite understand the purpose of this thread. If so, let me clarify:

I am an AFK'er. I would like to see AFK'ing stop, but not through means that force people to play, but reward the choice to play. Make people not want to find the exploit in the system that allows easy farming of SP, but instead want to play the game as it was intended to be played.

Compare: Knife that man over there in the face and I'll give you a piece of chocolate.
To this: Knife that man over there in the face or I'll knife you in the face.

Now, the first one rewards you for murdering the man with chocolate. The latter has a consequence for not murdering him. Which one would you be happier to comply with?

You want to see AFKing stop? Easy solution.... stop doing it. AFKers are the minority, everybody else can nut up and get in the game. You don't feel rewarded enough quit. If 75% of the player base never left the MCC you might have a point but the majority of us go out to kill and be killed and have a good time doing it. You don't find the game enjoyable so you pout and stay in the MCC, might as well just take your ball and go home.

2. Triple XP should be the norm! Since the SP system is such a grind and sink, we need to triple our SP income to make it less of a grind and more of a "well if I play real hard for a few days I can get all this fun stuff". Which not only makes it easier to get excited about trying a new weapon or finally going proto, but we will be less restricted to one suit and can play multiple roles based on the situation.

I totally agree about the cause of player apathy being lack of meaningful content.

Something that we on the CPM repeatedly bring up when they discuss fixes and their goal of establishing proper focus, is that while focus is good and absolutely needed, CCP must strive at all costs to avoid getting tunnel vision.

All content with no fixes is bad.

All fixes with no content is equally bad, possibly worse. (The latter is generally what we've been stuck with for the past 11 months)


Either end of the spectrum here generates discontent among the players, and promotes apathy which has led to the loss of desire to play, which has had players feel like they are 'forced' to AFK, because if they miss their cap... they can never get that SP back until CCP gives us the next iteration of the SP system they announced, months and months ago.