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Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.08.16 15:46:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:If the Amarr have some method of using this code against me, they are more creative than I am. Then you are fortunate enough to have never been betrayed by those who command authority before. We should all be so lucky to be blissfully unaware that occassionally those you are determined to serve and lay down your life for do not share the same sentiments. You presume more rigidity than my approach contains, Fae-haan. "The job" has layers of priority; treason I become aware of will not simply be ignored because the traitor happens to be my superior.
If you believe that the State has been infiltrated, bring evidence and let it be weighed. There are proper forums for this, and your solo efforts are unlikely to succeed.
Quote:The Amarr however are a slow burn, a cancer that consumes all. With your empress and your ideology, the Golden Fleet has the potental to slowly gain power until they match all three superpowers combined. You have power, stability, and most importantly numbers. You beliefs drawn people willingly into your empire, or forced them in at gunpoint. Entire cultures, families, and parts of history have been wiped from existance by your Reclamation and placed them under the theocratic control of True Amarr. The only difference between the Amarr and the Nation is that Sansha takes the removal of all identity a bit more literally. Now however? The Empire is weak. Following the war with the Jove and the Minmatar split, you are weaker than ever. We can strike while the iron is hot, or wait until you regain momentum swollow the rest of this world.
Some will call me a coward or radical for saying what needs to be said. I assure you I am neither, I simply see a tactical advantage on what is sure in time to become an enemy of the State.
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I cannot believe I am saying this, but ancestors choke, I think peace with the Republic and the Gallente is not too much of a long shot. The Republic simply wishes to regain lands that are due to them and regain their cultural freedom. I have made the point before how similar to ourselves the Minmatar are. If anything, in aiding with the destruction of the Amarr, ties with the Republic will shift to us rather than the indecisive and unhelpful political ties that they already hold with the Federation. War with the Amarr would cost us an ally, but it would bolster our own State's power while weakening the Gallente in the cold war that is sure to follow.
So that said, I hope no offense was taken by any Matari for that headhunter joke earlier.
That is all it will be though, a cold war fueled by proxy wars that are sure to span the cluster while never engadging in direct combat. This world would be a safer place that way than with the political turmoil that ravages low and null sec spaces today. You have swallowed far too much Gallentean propaganda concerning the Amarr, Fae-haan. The Amarrian goal of universal conquest is far from realization; even at the pinnacle of their strength, they were no match for the Jove, and their obstacles have only grown since. By habit and custom, they are a cautious people, slow to change, but changing they are; two of the last three emperors have been peacemakers. The Pax Amarria is an ode to the path of scholarship and persuasion over the path of the sword.
Even Empress Jamyl has remarked that the age of slavery is coming to an end.
The Amarr can build ships, certainly. They can prepare for a great Reclaiming ... and what do you think the rest of us will be doing? Cowering in shelters, waiting to be dragged into the streets and clapped in Amarrian irons?
We will, of course, be building ships of our own.
The Amarr are surrounded by enemies. So are we all. You would have us upset the balance of power on the presumption that the outcome would be as you describe. You would have us murder an ally against an ancestral enemy because of what that ally might one day become, if everything goes perfectly for them.
The templars we see here are men of warfare, Fae-haan. They see their role as being that of holy knights. Their capsuleer counterparts are the like of Rodj Blake: warriors.
They are followers. They will hope for glory, but they do not set policy. They will do as they are told.
In the end, the Empire's ideal of conquest is precisely that: an ideal. Like most ideals, the reality will fall short of the hope, and we have another and more immediate problem to deal with: the Gallente continue to war against the people of the State. You are welcome to seek peace, but please remember that the Federation only ever stopped the Great War against your ancestors' State because it encountered the Amarr.
The Amarr are not the only self-righteous conquerors in this cluster, Fae-haan. The Gallente come to tame the Winds; the Amarr are latecomers in that regard. |
Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:52:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: You presume more rigidity than my approach contains, Fae-haan. "The job" has layers of priority; treason I become aware of will not simply be ignored because the traitor happens to be my superior.
If you believe that the State has been infiltrated, bring evidence and let it be weighed. There are proper forums for this, and your solo efforts are unlikely to succeed.
Kirjuun, with Heth gone anything I can say is of little importance now. Any additional commentary would just be ex post facto. A young soldier however may still be suseptable to believing that dying on a shelled out rock in the middle of null sec might bring him some form of honor. Esspecially in the Amarr, were Crusaders are taught that striking down any individual who does not believe in their faith is not only encouraged by their generals, but mandated by their God to bring their faith honor.
Quote:You have swallowed far too much Gallentean propaganda concerning the Amarr, Fae-haan. The Amarrian goal of universal conquest is far from realization; even at the pinnacle of their strength, they were no match for the Jove, and their obstacles have only grown since. By habit and custom, they are a cautious people, slow to change, but changing they are; two of the last three emperors have been peacemakers. The Pax Amarria is an ode to the path of scholarship and persuasion over the path of the sword.
Even Empress Jamyl has remarked that the age of slavery is coming to an end.
The Amarr can build ships, certainly. They can prepare for a great Reclaiming ... and what do you think the rest of us will be doing? Cowering in shelters, waiting to be dragged into the streets and clapped in Amarrian irons?
We will, of course, be building ships of our own.
The Amarr are surrounded by enemies. So are we all. You would have us upset the balance of power on the presumption that the outcome would be as you describe. You would have us murder an ally against an ancestral enemy because of what that ally might one day become, if everything goes perfectly for them.
The templars we see here are men of warfare, Fae-haan. They see their role as being that of holy knights. Their capsuleer counterparts are the like of Rodj Blake: warriors.
They are followers. They will hope for glory, but they do not set policy. They will do as they are told.
In the end, the Empire's ideal of conquest is precisely that: an ideal. Like most ideals, the reality will fall short of the hope, and we have another and more immediate problem to deal with: the Gallente continue to war against the people of the State. You are welcome to seek peace, but please remember that the Federation only ever stopped the Great War against your ancestors' State because it encountered the Amarr.
The Amarr are not the only self-righteous conquerors in this cluster, Fae-haan. The Gallente come to tame the Winds; the Amarr are latecomers in that regard. Have I been corrupted by Gallente, or have you been told by those above you what you should be fighting for?
It comes down to this:
The Federation might form another counterattack, or me might negotiate peace with them. They are slowly finding that this war of attrition will not be won on distant planets, but on the desks of politicians. They might return to tame us, and I stand by the fact that reperations must be paid for the fall of Caldari Prime. Yet the Gallente are indecisive, and the Gallente public are slowly starting to ask themselves if a war with us is really what they want in the end.
However, for the Amarr, there is no question. It is their way to invade the land. They will try to tame us. They will organize against us. There will be a war.
War with the Amarr is a much more likely hypothetical than you might think. It will happen, so we might as well allow it to be on our terms. |
Shattered Mirage
D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
108
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Posted - 2013.08.17 03:35:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: You presume more rigidity than my approach contains, Fae-haan. "The job" has layers of priority; treason I become aware of will not simply be ignored because the traitor happens to be my superior.
If you believe that the State has been infiltrated, bring evidence and let it be weighed. There are proper forums for this, and your solo efforts are unlikely to succeed.
Kirjuun, with Heth gone anything I can say is of little importance now. Any additional commentary would just be ex post facto. A young soldier however may still be suseptable to believing that dying on a shelled out rock in the middle of null sec might bring him some form of honor. Esspecially in the Amarr, were Crusaders are taught that striking down any individual who does not believe in their faith is not only encouraged by their generals, but mandated by their God to bring their faith honor. Quote:You have swallowed far too much Gallentean propaganda concerning the Amarr, Fae-haan. The Amarrian goal of universal conquest is far from realization; even at the pinnacle of their strength, they were no match for the Jove, and their obstacles have only grown since. By habit and custom, they are a cautious people, slow to change, but changing they are; two of the last three emperors have been peacemakers. The Pax Amarria is an ode to the path of scholarship and persuasion over the path of the sword.
Even Empress Jamyl has remarked that the age of slavery is coming to an end.
The Amarr can build ships, certainly. They can prepare for a great Reclaiming ... and what do you think the rest of us will be doing? Cowering in shelters, waiting to be dragged into the streets and clapped in Amarrian irons?
We will, of course, be building ships of our own.
The Amarr are surrounded by enemies. So are we all. You would have us upset the balance of power on the presumption that the outcome would be as you describe. You would have us murder an ally against an ancestral enemy because of what that ally might one day become, if everything goes perfectly for them.
The templars we see here are men of warfare, Fae-haan. They see their role as being that of holy knights. Their capsuleer counterparts are the like of Rodj Blake: warriors.
They are followers. They will hope for glory, but they do not set policy. They will do as they are told.
In the end, the Empire's ideal of conquest is precisely that: an ideal. Like most ideals, the reality will fall short of the hope, and we have another and more immediate problem to deal with: the Gallente continue to war against the people of the State. You are welcome to seek peace, but please remember that the Federation only ever stopped the Great War against your ancestors' State because it encountered the Amarr.
The Amarr are not the only self-righteous conquerors in this cluster, Fae-haan. The Gallente come to tame the Winds; the Amarr are latecomers in that regard. Have I been corrupted by Gallente, or have you been told by those above you what you should be fighting for? It comes down to this: The Federation might form another counterattack, or me might negotiate peace with them. They are slowly finding that this war of attrition will not be won on distant planets, but on the desks of politicians. They might return to tame us, and I stand by the fact that reperations must be paid for the fall of Caldari Prime. Yet the Gallente are indecisive, and the Gallente public are slowly starting to ask themselves if a war with us is really what they want in the end. However, for the Amarr, there is no question. It is their way to invade the land. They will try to tame us. They will organize against us. There will be a war. War with the Amarr is a much more likely hypothetical than you might think. It will happen, so we might as well allow it to be on our terms.
The Gallete and Amarr resemble each other in their desires to assimilate everything not under their banner, their religion. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
194
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Posted - 2013.08.17 03:49:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Kirjuun, with Heth gone anything I can say is of little importance now. Any additional commentary would just be ex post facto. A young soldier however may still be suseptable to believing that dying on a shelled out rock in the middle of null sec might bring him some form of honor. Esspecially in the Amarr, were Crusaders are taught that striking down any individual who does not believe in their faith is not only encouraged by their generals, but mandated by their God to bring their faith honor. I wonder whether that is true of all Amarr. The Amarr are a sophisticated, but feudal, society; what their forces are taught is likely to depend greatly on whom those forces serve.
Quote:Have I been corrupted by Gallente, or have you been told by those above you what you should be fighting for? We are a meritocracy, Fae-haan; we trust leadership to those best qualified to lead. Those who lead the State say, for now and for the past century or so, that we are allied to the Empire in opposition to Gallentean hegemony, though the State will only permit those hailing from the Khanid Kingdom to practice their faith within Caldari territory, and then only in private.
Yes, I trust the State's leadership. I trust the megacorporations to act appropriately in setting policy to defend the State from its enemies.
Is it a perfect solution? Of course not; there is no such creature. These people are human, and fallible. They have failed the State before, and they will almost certainly fail it again in time. When that time comes, we will deal with the problem-- as we will do with the Amarr when and if they turn on us.
Until then, I trust those whom we recognize as leaders. We recognize them as leaders because they are better equipped to make these decisions than we are. That is the whole point of a meritocracy: to place those who are best equipped to do certain jobs in charge of doing those jobs.
The balance of power has lasted for a century, Fae-haan. You and I lack the perspective, and the wisdom, to know when that balance should shift.
I have put my will and belief ahead of the community's in non-trivial ways before, and watched the suffering it caused-- my own, among others. It is not a mistake I will so easily repeat. You should know me well enough by now to understand that my obedience is not, can never be, blind. When in doubt, I defer to those better positioned to know than I am.
To think you know better is to place your own judgment before that of those who hold positions higher than yours because of their superior judgment.
Sometimes you will be right to do so. Not often. |
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