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voidfaction
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:22:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Can you put Biotic Scout guide in the title? I know I am just being nitpicky but I absolutely have no Pill Bottle skills, just the TACNET electronic ones. It's a matter of opinion right now to what degree EWAR Works 
agree
Seems to be a big difference at high lvls. low lvls not very noticable.
4 complex range modifiers gives gallente proto scout 99m range and your saying its useless? add the 1 complex precision for a 31 precision making you a passive scanner for yourself and squad
what good is running fast if you dont know what your running into?
a scout should know whats around him if running in close quarters with the enemy. sniper not so much
3 complex profile dampeners keeps you off proto scanners and tacnet and its useless?
a scout should be hidden. that is one of the main aspects of a scout.
both set as bonus to gallente suit. its almost like the suit is saying exploit my bonuses. you know like the minmatar scout says exploit my melee dmg bonus since everyone told me if i wanted to be a melee scout i should go minmatar. |
voidfaction
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:32:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:To be honest that argument is really what splits the scouts in two.
Minmatar-speed tanks
Gallente - HP Tank/Ewar
It's like the difference in shotgun scout and sniper scout.
Shotgun scout says sniper scout does not work.
Sniper scout says sniper scout works but so do shotgun scouts.
Pill Scouts say Ewar scouts do not work
Ewar scouts say ewar scouts work but so do Pill Scouts
*shrug*
I would have to say its more than 2. so many choices with 1 suit and we have 2. Just think how many more when we get the other 2. your still right all the same.
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voidfaction
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:05:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:voidfaction wrote: add the 1 complex precision for a 31 precision making you a passive scanner for yourself and squad
That's going to change soon. When they update Tac Net system, they are removing shared scanning. So because one person picks another up, does not mean that everyone else will. This is a buff to scouts because just because some fool sees you with a sniper scope doesn't mean that the squad you are stalking will.
shared vision being disabled: the way i read that is if im sniping 400m from my squad they will not see the enemy around the corner from them that im targeting. vision as in line of sight not the passive scan. either way scan range and precision for myself just becomes even more of an asset if shared vision also means shared passive scan.
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Posted - 2013.08.13 01:34:00 -
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Driftward wrote:My problem with dampeners at this point is not that they don't "work" but that they are very very situational. They protect against proto scanners and MAYBE scouts that are eWAR focused. For now. I loved them in the chromosome build. Uprising not so much.
My main problem is the shared LOS on TACNET. As soon as you get spotted by eye running between boxes.....that's it for your advantage. Then, your modules aren't helping you at all
voidfaction's fit sounds pretty awesome actually. The utility as a killing machine seems a lot less but then again that's not really the role it's going for. I hadn't really thought of those fits mostly because I assumed all of eWAR was trash due to everything else being crapish....
With the shared vision changes coming, those fits are going to start being a lot more important and if they up the ranges on scanning then it might even be feasible on a non lame-duck fitting.
Regardless, as a general guide I think it's not a good idea to go into eWar skills early (right now) and probably more important to round out other skills. Once you hit maybe 8 mill sp you can start to make the choice of biotics, eWar, or combination.
the way i understand profile dampening and precision is when someone has line of sight on you and your dampening is low then your not put on the tacnet for all to see unless the one that sees you has higher precision so you may be spotted by the one person when your running but they are the only one that sees you. you also have the factor of hiding from scanners both passive/active. |
voidfaction
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Posted - 2013.08.14 07:33:00 -
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Driftward wrote:voidfaction wrote:Driftward wrote:My problem with dampeners at this point is not that they don't "work" but that they are very very situational. They protect against proto scanners and MAYBE scouts that are eWAR focused. For now. I loved them in the chromosome build. Uprising not so much.
My main problem is the shared LOS on TACNET. As soon as you get spotted by eye running between boxes.....that's it for your advantage. Then, your modules aren't helping you at all
voidfaction's fit sounds pretty awesome actually. The utility as a killing machine seems a lot less but then again that's not really the role it's going for. I hadn't really thought of those fits mostly because I assumed all of eWAR was trash due to everything else being crapish....
With the shared vision changes coming, those fits are going to start being a lot more important and if they up the ranges on scanning then it might even be feasible on a non lame-duck fitting.
Regardless, as a general guide I think it's not a good idea to go into eWar skills early (right now) and probably more important to round out other skills. Once you hit maybe 8 mill sp you can start to make the choice of biotics, eWar, or combination. the way i understand profile dampening and precision is when someone has line of sight on you and your dampening is low then your not put on the tacnet for all to see unless the one that sees you has higher precision so you may be spotted by the one person when your running but they are the only one that sees you. you also have the factor of hiding from scanners both passive/active. Can you source a link to a forum post that someone has done the science? As I understand it your profile has nothing to do with line of sight. Line of sight automatically makes anyone you see pop up on your squads (teams?) tacnet. Hence why I say that eWar is broken.... I haven't done any science on this but I went in on profile dampening since it's a passive and I had some extra SP to burn. I didn't find a difference. As in I would flank kill someone who was farther away from everyone but then I would have a whole squad doing a red dot hunt. This happens frequently in my experience. Of course this will all change in either a month or two
You are right
Line of sight is in no way effected by dampening or precision as stated by a post from CCP wolfman. Passive scan is the same as active scan as stated in another post by CCP wolfman. Scans will only be shared by squad in the upcoming changes. Shared vision will not. So I assume shared vision is line of sight which is the biggest problem for scouts so that will be a big help removing that but in return will require scouts to need better range and precision making the gallente suit really nice.
I guess all this time it was just me not being seen and not the dampeners. Will make my life easier when shared vision is turned off and I can focus more on scan range and precision
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