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Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:29:00 -
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I'm not sure if its been mentioned before, but perhaps a way to balance out all the mass driver spam now is to make the grenades bounce when fired from the hip (with faster "tracking" or rotation able), and then allow the grenades to explode upon impact when fired through the sight, but the rotation or tracking would be slower than a hip fire.
I figure that it won't stop the needless spam from a fixed location on higher ground, but it will stop the spammy behavior on similar ground when fired from the hip. |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc
Dark Taboo
1838
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:51:00 -
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CCP has hinted that they will give them a minimum arming distance. So you will be able to possible bounce it in very close quarters. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
395
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:03:00 -
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you realise that if peopel want to spam something, they are going to spam it right?
people spam ARs
wheres your nerf the AR thread? |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals
EoN.
1008
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:10:00 -
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Make them like the M320 LVG from BF3.
In short don't make it a grenade launcher that explodes on impact (M320) make it a grenade launcher that shoots live locus grenades. It would be useful to break up blobs - shoot live grenade in blob, grenade waits for 2 seconds and then detonates, some enemies are killed and the others flee thus breaking up the blob. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2939
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:11:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:you realise that if peopel want to spam something, they are going to spam it right?
people spam ARs
wheres your nerf the AR thread?
This.
MDs are only spammed because the community is aware they're no longer broken. Laser rifles are just as effective right now, yet you see nobody using them. At least until they get their own "omg nerf!" fad shortly. |
echo47
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:18:00 -
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Is still dont understand how you spam a weapon in game. It's in the game, on the market it's ment to be used.
Is there rule I missed that says there can only be a certain number of a weapon type in game. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
397
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:20:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:you realise that if peopel want to spam something, they are going to spam it right?
people spam ARs
wheres your nerf the AR thread? This. MDs are only spammed because the community is aware they're no longer broken. Laser rifles are just as effective right now, yet you see nobody using them. At least until they get their own "omg nerf!" fad shortly.
lazer rifles are EXACTLY as potent as they were pre uprising (except the vizium wich most people never used to begin with)
and yet not a soul uses them due to the "omg it sucks" mentality
there will come a time when people use them again and they will be re-spammed.
and suddenly without any changes to the gun people will cry its OP, simply because anything that kills them that isnt an AR is OP
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Mirataf
WARRIORS 1NC
40
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:25:00 -
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Yep wholeheartedly agree. Was thinking last week that we would be seeing more lasers are op posts once people realise they're fine and start using them again |
Bulletmonkey50
Fallen Disciples
The Minmatar Evolutionares
2
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:30:00 -
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lol yes lasers are making a come back, i've been getting top of the killboards with a laser on bulletmonkey and my alt Rhen Mertt in almost every game for the past month, so i think that i and the few other laser lovers are a great example to others of how good it can be. |
Charlotte O'Dell
0uter.Heaven
EoN.
910
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:32:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:you realise that if peopel want to spam something, they are going to spam it right?
people spam ARs
wheres your nerf the AR thread?
I hate AR noon toobers |
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Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
119
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Posted - 2013.08.12 17:35:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:you realise that if peopel want to spam something, they are going to spam it right?
people spam ARs
wheres your nerf the AR thread? This. MDs are only spammed because the community is aware they're no longer broken. Laser rifles are just as effective right now, yet you see nobody using them. At least until they get their own "omg nerf!" fad shortly.
Yeah... I'll tell you how, go a long distance and put 3 complex damage modifiers then spam away. If you hit at the max range, I swear. It's an insta kill on their shields. |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
Alpha Wolf Pack
58
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Posted - 2013.08.12 18:24:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:you realise that if peopel want to spam something, they are going to spam it right?
people spam ARs
wheres your nerf the AR thread? I was unaware that ARs had splash damage that didn't require me to use as much skill when aiming. Give ARs splash damage, and I'll call out for their nerf, as well. Or hell, if you want impact-exploding MD grenades, then just lower the rof or, again, make the grenades bounce so there's *some* skill required. Spamming on the ground at peoples' feet doesn't require skill.
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Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
398
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:01:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:you realise that if peopel want to spam something, they are going to spam it right?
people spam ARs
wheres your nerf the AR thread? I was unaware that ARs had splash damage that didn't require me to use as much skill when aiming. Give ARs splash damage, and I'll call out for their nerf, as well. Or hell, if you want impact-exploding MD grenades, then just lower the rof or, again, make the grenades bounce so there's *some* skill required. Spamming on the ground at peoples' feet doesn't require skill.
ok so you want no splash weapons got it.
plus your no aiming statment is only true for <10m the shot arc and it is hard to aim. |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
Alpha Wolf Pack
62
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:06:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Vespasian Andendare wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:you realise that if peopel want to spam something, they are going to spam it right?
people spam ARs
wheres your nerf the AR thread? I was unaware that ARs had splash damage that didn't require me to use as much skill when aiming. Give ARs splash damage, and I'll call out for their nerf, as well. Or hell, if you want impact-exploding MD grenades, then just lower the rof or, again, make the grenades bounce so there's *some* skill required. Spamming on the ground at peoples' feet doesn't require skill. ok so you want no splash weapons got it. Splash weapons are fine, as long as they're balanced. There's no downside to spamming a MD from the hip. The rof is too quick, turn rate isn't affected and the shells explode upon impact. Where is the downside? Where is the skill required?
Having the grenades bounce once or twice from hip firing would require that the MD user exercise some skill in getting the kill. I'm sure nobody has a problem being killed by someone with skills, myself included. It's when it requires none and the unskilled player still profits is what chafes on people and why it feels imbalanced.
Slower tracking but better damage application (exploding on impact from the sight) and faster tracking/worse damage application (shells bounce) from the hip would make the weapon require some skill to use. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
398
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:16:00 -
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just pointing your weapon at someone and doing damage is OP, you should at least have to take into account bullet drop and velocity changes.
but no you just have to aim and all your bullets instantly dmage whats in front of you.
make it so that you have to at least AIM, lead your target, and account for bullet drop.
AR takes no skill. force them to aim.
remind you of anything? |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
Alpha Wolf Pack
64
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:18:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:just pointing your weapon at someone and doing damage is OP, you should at least have to take into account bullet drop and velocity changes.
but no you just have to aim and all your bullets instantly dmage whats in front of you.
make it so that you have to at least AIM, lead your target, and account for bullet drop.
AR takes no skill. force them to aim.
remind you of anything? Yes, let me shoot my AR at the ground and kill them. Perfect analogy. I don't know why you don't design the game! You're spot on.
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
300
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:21:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:you realise that if peopel want to spam something, they are going to spam it right?
people spam ARs
wheres your nerf the AR thread? I was unaware that ARs had splash damage that didn't require me to use as much skill when aiming. Give ARs splash damage, and I'll call out for their nerf, as well. Or hell, if you want impact-exploding MD grenades, then just lower the rof or, again, make the grenades bounce so there's *some* skill required. Spamming on the ground at peoples' feet doesn't require skill.
Were you aware that point and shoot Miltia ARs out DPS proto Freedom with damage mods? |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
399
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:21:00 -
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i was mocking your style of armugment
notice how it diddnt make any sence really?
yours doesnt either |
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