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OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.08.12 12:11:00 -
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I started this game in the start of open beta, I got so stoked an amazed with the freedom of designing my player. I knew nothing of dust or eve or even fps for the more part.
I tried many suits an fell in love with the scout, I wanted to be a amazing nova knifer/ shotgunner like the people that killed me.
I got into a corp an made goals for myself an I kept track of my learning progress.
Ie: what to do, what not to do, range for a shot, how to sneak an stab, ect, ect.
Then came uprising an we all got so excited, then the nerfs came an all our play styles had to change; it became harder to know what our progress really was.
One week were good , next week our shots are off, then we get accustomed to it an something else changes.
It's very hard to know if we're good or not or to beat our kill records when the mechanics change.
For example my best with the sg was about 20 then the gun changed, tithe strafe an the stamina, now I'm about 12 to fifteen.
With novas I was about 24 then similar changes an hit detection came to light an now running knives with no sidearm is a death sentence with all the changes to strafe an stamina an my own hit box.
So I tried the faylock on uprising for a range weapon an also a md, since they were good hit an run weapons .
Now all of these do not work as they once did an everytime I gett accustom to the updates about two weeks of playing like crap just to adjust then the game changes again an the cycle repeats.
I'm no noob I play everyday an have almost 17 million sp, but it's all speced into horrible weapons, so I said f$$k it an went around with remote s an trapping guys an using my grenades to set them off or my teams fire an made a new record for myself of 26/2 with no gun!
Week later 1.3 comes out an everyone has cried about everything in the game an ccp silently nerfs the remote explosive!
Now I basically have a 17 million isk smg since everything I used to use is broke or changed so much I can't make a acceleration of kills or progress or beat old kill goals because nothing works as it used to or it keeps changing an I can't tell if it's me or the game.
Players need consistency!
Cod, battlefield may suck but people love the consistency .
Yes people cry for balance but balance is consistency .
Why spend more time an money when what you have is different than what you bought!
If you buy bread an it looks good when you buy it but it's covered in mold when you get home will you still eat it?
Hell no , chuck it or take it back.
Ccp this is happening!
3x sp or 2x sp has so many on line because they need new weapons an they travel to what works in the moment.
In the process of this nerfing to find balance you will always create a higher imbalance due to the fact that there are amazing players an poor players, high sp/ low sp, good equipped suits / poor set up suits.
So find a standard weapon balance an keep it there.
Do a once over on everything an leave it. We will adjust to it being op or not at least we kno what were getting into an we can track our progress.
If you keep changing the game players can't tell if there getting better an they will leave for another game with consistency . |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.08.12 12:21:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Let me try to sum up what you are getting at
The biggest problem holding the game back is poor balance and huge sweeping changes to weapons and gear that forces a total change in playstyle
Thats the gist of it right?
U trolling?
Not play style, it's comming off as a scam, if your gun works worse than before so what do you do?
Get a new gun, but you want a good gun so you buy aurum till you have more sp, then that gun dies an they introduce more weapons an the cycle repeats.
Wouldn't you want a shotgun that worked the same all the time if you had 3million sp in it? Or do you wanna go buy more soon to be broken rubbish so you have a closet of dusty guns? |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.08.12 12:38:00 -
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I'm not ranting I'm talking, it's a serious topic an I don't want to come off like I'm ranting because I used a exclamation point.
I've watched this game drop an talked to a lot of players an this is what makes it unsatifying.
I don't play cod or these other shooters, I like dust.
But with ps4 coming this game will be cut in half by games that are consistent .
Why?
Whats the point of playing if you can't excell? If what you have works worse than it did the day before.
Gamers want to get better, not finally spec a class to proto have all the proto Nic naks that took months to achieve an then it's turfed an useless .
The player base dropped by 4000 or mor from up rising.
There are no respecs an I'm cool with that cuz I play this game to be a scout.
But other players don't want to change styles an don't want to be forced to be something else in a game that they don't want to be.
We want consistency otherwise spending more sp an playing just to play what isn't what you started playing the game for is ruining the drive to play for a lot of people.
Now if they keep a consistency an jack the weekly cap we will have a thriving game again |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.08.12 15:29:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:OZAROW wrote:I started this game in the start of open beta, I got so stoked an amazed with the freedom of designing my player. I knew nothing of dust or eve or even fps for the more part.
I tried many suits an fell in love with the scout, I wanted to be a amazing nova knifer/ shotgunner like the people that killed me.
I got into a corp an made goals for myself an I kept track of my learning progress.
Ie: what to do, what not to do, range for a shot, how to sneak an stab, ect, ect.
Then came uprising an we all got so excited, then the nerfs came an all our play styles had to change; it became harder to know what our progress really was.
One week were good , next week our shots are off, then we get accustomed to it an something else changes.
It's very hard to know if we're good or not or to beat our kill records when the mechanics change.
For example my best with the sg was about 20 then the gun changed, tithe strafe an the stamina, now I'm about 12 to fifteen.
With novas I was about 24 then similar changes an hit detection came to light an now running knives with no sidearm is a death sentence with all the changes to strafe an stamina an my own hit box.
So I tried the faylock on uprising for a range weapon an also a md, since they were good hit an run weapons .
Now all of these do not work as they once did an everytime I gett accustom to the updates about two weeks of playing like crap just to adjust then the game changes again an the cycle repeats.
I'm no noob I play everyday an have almost 17 million sp, but it's all speced into horrible weapons, so I said f$$k it an went around with remote s an trapping guys an using my grenades to set them off or my teams fire an made a new record for myself of 26/2 with no gun!
Week later 1.3 comes out an everyone has cried about everything in the game an ccp silently nerfs the remote explosive!
Now I basically have a 17 million isk smg since everything I used to use is broke or changed so much I can't make a acceleration of kills or progress or beat old kill goals because nothing works as it used to or it keeps changing an I can't tell if it's me or the game.
Players need consistency!
Cod, battlefield may suck but people love the consistency .
Yes people cry for balance but balance is consistency .
Why spend more time an money when what you have is different than what you bought!
If you buy bread an it looks good when you buy it but it's covered in mold when you get home will you still eat it?
Hell no , chuck it or take it back.
Ccp this is happening!
3x sp or 2x sp has so many on line because they need new weapons an they travel to what works in the moment.
In the process of this nerfing to find balance you will always create a higher imbalance due to the fact that there are amazing players an poor players, high sp/ low sp, good equipped suits / poor set up suits.
So find a standard weapon balance an keep it there.
Do a once over on everything an leave it. We will adjust to it being op or not at least we kno what were getting into an we can track our progress.
If you keep changing the game players can't tell if there getting better an they will leave for another game with consistency . I dare someone to hand this to an English teacher and watch their head explode.
Failed ingrish but I'm a professional artist , glad u got nothing better to write |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.08.13 06:21:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:OZAROW wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:OZAROW wrote:I started this game in the start of open beta, I got so stoked an amazed with the freedom of designing my player. I knew nothing of dust or eve or even fps for the more part.
I tried many suits an fell in love with the scout, I wanted to be a amazing nova knifer/ shotgunner like the people that killed me.
I got into a corp an made goals for myself an I kept track of my learning progress.
Ie: what to do, what not to do, range for a shot, how to sneak an stab, ect, ect.
Then came uprising an we all got so excited, then the nerfs came an all our play styles had to change; it became harder to know what our progress really was.
One week were good , next week our shots are off, then we get accustomed to it an something else changes.
It's very hard to know if we're good or not or to beat our kill records when the mechanics change.
For example my best with the sg was about 20 then the gun changed, tithe strafe an the stamina, now I'm about 12 to fifteen.
With novas I was about 24 then similar changes an hit detection came to light an now running knives with no sidearm is a death sentence with all the changes to strafe an stamina an my own hit box.
So I tried the faylock on uprising for a range weapon an also a md, since they were good hit an run weapons .
Now all of these do not work as they once did an everytime I gett accustom to the updates about two weeks of playing like crap just to adjust then the game changes again an the cycle repeats.
I'm no noob I play everyday an have almost 17 million sp, but it's all speced into horrible weapons, so I said f$$k it an went around with remote s an trapping guys an using my grenades to set them off or my teams fire an made a new record for myself of 26/2 with no gun!
Week later 1.3 comes out an everyone has cried about everything in the game an ccp silently nerfs the remote explosive!
Now I basically have a 17 million isk smg since everything I used to use is broke or changed so much I can't make a acceleration of kills or progress or beat old kill goals because nothing works as it used to or it keeps changing an I can't tell if it's me or the game.
Players need consistency!
Cod, battlefield may suck but people love the consistency .
Yes people cry for balance but balance is consistency .
Why spend more time an money when what you have is different than what you bought!
If you buy bread an it looks good when you buy it but it's covered in mold when you get home will you still eat it?
Hell no , chuck it or take it back.
Ccp this is happening!
3x sp or 2x sp has so many on line because they need new weapons an they travel to what works in the moment.
In the process of this nerfing to find balance you will always create a higher imbalance due to the fact that there are amazing players an poor players, high sp/ low sp, good equipped suits / poor set up suits.
So find a standard weapon balance an keep it there.
Do a once over on everything an leave it. We will adjust to it being op or not at least we kno what were getting into an we can track our progress.
If you keep changing the game players can't tell if there getting better an they will leave for another game with consistency . I dare someone to hand this to an English teacher and watch their head explode. Failed ingrish but I'm a professional artist , glad u got nothing better to write No, I think you passed ingrish with flying "calours" (aim I rite?). P.S. sorry for not going total *******. I will adapt.
The point is I'm not complaining, I'm trying to bring to light something that could save the game.
The thing is there needs to be some sort of time limit for everything we have in the game to be at the " don't touch the base game it's fine, meaning everything we have now"
Then bring in new stuff.
Shotguns, assault rifles, grenades, mass drivers have been around forever an are constantly getting re worked when that $ hit should have been perfect when the game came out.
Yet something like nova knives don't get looked at because hardly anyone uses them, but when people try them an get good at them they nerf them due to popularity which is what happened to r/e "silently" might I add.
So if they can lock the core mechanics down so they don't change the consistency will bring growth in players an more fun to the game.
Let's face it, it is not fun wasting months to get something then two days after you get it , it's not what everyone else got to enjoy |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.08.13 15:09:00 -
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Shouper of BHD wrote:"this game will never change, leave then" "this game won`t make it due to imbalance my as well quit" and other comments on the lines of this is BS, the forums is where you go to change something and if guys like you go on every thread and keep saying this garbage NO DUH IT WON`T HAPPEN.
I have to agree on the topic, they over nerf and over buff stuff and it takes like 7 builds to get it right.
although the topic wasn`t SGs I would like to comment on them, from the beginning of the privet beta to the end of chromosome / beginning of Uprising I specked into PRO SGs 1st, and atm they have bad mechanics, poor hit detection, reload bugs, and when you bullets are flying but you die the bullets won`t give damage to a direct hit. for some reason they changed the sound, idk if ypu guys remember the older 1 in early chromosome but that 1 was good, iron sights need to be changed to something that doesn`t have the sights blocking some view, as a SG it needs more visibility. crosshairs needs a check since there are parts in the circle where no damage would be dealt nvm a little.
I think you missed the point, but if they took your ar, made it reload in the middle of shooting, fire blanks , or if you were standing five feet away from a guy dumping a clip in his face an they continued to ignore it even tho u an countless others wasted sp on this an now needed new guns then it happened to the next gun you sank sp into I think you would see my point!
But my real point since you failed to understand me the first time ; is how can any play gauge their performance in the game if everything changes?
The same guns have been changed too many times for us to know if it's our abilities or the game.
Players want weapons they can trust not something that changes month to month, trust me I probably been here longer than most an I have adapted but this working one day useless the next has to get fixed.
An if you never played a heavy or a scout or used a hmg or a sg from January to now you would have no clue about what I'm saying |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.08.13 18:56:00 -
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Vickers S Grunt wrote:Every thing has not changed and there have been no huge sweeping changes to anything no suits have been nerfed to uselessness .
There have been balance changes that almost everyone agreed with needed to be done .
Stop being a prepubescent drama queen .
Where the hell have you been an what are you talking about?
Oh you mean no changes to assault s an AR?
That's right, you don't use anything else or have been around since beta, whatever scrub!
This is a thread that you obviously don't understand, so take your tunnel vision troll comment somewhere else since the level of understanding what I'm talking about is above your iq level.
Read it over an over till you realize it's about gauging yourself as a player, too bad all you understood was negative, nerf , nerf, feel sorry for you.
Na actually I don't |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.08.14 00:22:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88627&find=unread
I thought this thread lays along the same line |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.08.14 01:34:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:OZAROW wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88627&find=unread
I thought this thread lays along the same line I got no need to look there,.. How the hell are you so stuck in one set of skills @ 17 mill sp? Dont you train other weapons when your bored? I understand proto suit nerf QQ, but never weapon QQ.. Weapons are easy to skill into, and maxing prof an SS is over rated, so lets be honest here,... There is some connection issues that effect weapons a great deal, but its not consistent, and not nearly as bad as the forums make it out to be,. If you have crazy skills in one weapon then you should be fine anyway, nerf or no nerf.
Omg that's what the whole topic is about!
You get good at knifing then they add a delay to the strike, you then get accustomed to that, then they change strafe an equal mobility in 1.2 so you get good at that, then 1.3 and 1.4 bring more changes such as hotbox lagging with speed an collision models increasing, so you get good at that, then you have the stamina nerf!
Did you not notice any of these changes?
No of course you didn't cuz ur not a scout!
So instead of trying to debate things that obviously happened re read what was written! |
OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.08.14 01:38:00 -
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How can players excell an record their progress with such changes , it's a different game every month an it's not always good, but people get locked in waiting for a investment to pay off an stay the same but the point is nothing is ever consistent except assaults and rifles, an the developers have to stop being so one sided , how can you change a whole game to benifit one type of player? |
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OZAROW
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Posted - 2013.08.14 02:13:00 -
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mollerz wrote:This game is wholly subpar right now.
Even COD and BFwutever had more maps at launch than dust has ever had. ever.
the lag is unending. there are always new bugs. it is incomplete in every area. i don't know much about it, but apprently CCP takes their player base for granted considering the CPM statement. hey- go ahead. take me and my $300 for granted. finding that out means no way am i buying AUR again. not a good way to retain a paying customer. business econ 101 at any uni in the world teach you that.
i mean- i am surprised they didn't get 1.0s and lower across the review board. the only slack they got was the eve component. if eve didn't exist dust would already be gone. literally bit dust.
eve is really the big prop up here, and the reason dust might get to be something at some point. i am thinking about going over to payday 2, and leaving my dudes collecting SP for a few months and see what's up. GTA 5 too! i'm just not only bored. but i have over 20m SP. I am running out of things to spec, and honestly.. grinding for a month so i can have 3% more ammo because there isn't anything better is about as compelling as a prostate check.
if it weren't for passive SP gain, I am not even sure I'd look forward to a better day for dust.
I hear ya brother, I decided to start a new toon an basically skill everything except suits an guns lol can't nerf that hopefully!
I been running militia minis wit under 200 HP an driving over dudes, cuz honestly at least a assault rifle isn't killing me as much, lol payback b!t(h35 haha |
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