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Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.08.12 05:53:00 -
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We don't have any means of stopping snipers at all in this game... if they are redlining than its impossible to get them unless your a skilled into sniper as well. OH Guess what run militia sniper... Guess what they can tank heavy suits with their sniper... OH run vehicles... OH guess what with the commando suit they can run swarm launchers now with their snipers... Oh run in a pack.... Guess what... If a member of your pack dies from a sniper your pack becomes that much weaker in advancing on enemy posts. Oh use your Vehicle to block shoots when your hacking... Guess what Commando suit dude... oh Sniping takes skill.... Yes but not as much skill as in battlefield 3 since you have to compensate for bullet drop and the prone position which this game does not have making sneaking past lines that much harder... Why do people think the K/D leaderboards are so messed up because of the effective killing strategies the sniper can be... Oh Yes the sniper doesn't help the opposing team since he is not boots on the ground.... Oh guess what yes he is because not only is he earning WP for the Orbital strike he is keep enemies off objectives, helping squadmates proceed when attack objectives, providing intel on enemy positions, and finally killing the enemy which is another way to win the damn game modes.
NOW I KNOW we are suppouse to get a bubble shield but when is it coming?? when can we expect it??? I am getting so tired of waiting for this equipment since i die by sniper rounds over and over again... Oh guess what use cover... Oh guess what there are building so big in this game where hiding it virtually impossible...
ALL you guys who are going to try to argue with me STFU with Sniper is skillful we all know you got the damn kill but still nothing should be unstoppable otherwise why the fu ck should anyone care about a game when a weapon cannot be countered. Also i skilled into sniper level 4 and how fast that thing steadies out is ridiculous while in other shooters you have to press a button and get 3 to 4 seconds to make the shot count... Wake up for fuc ks sake dude. WE NEED COUNTERMEASURES. WE NEED that damn bubble shield.
I mean i saw this video on youtube 30 and 0 its an obvious exploit and a stupid one at that where kills are totally skewed in this game now... KD is a joke in this game when it comes to snipers... you guys who exploit this **** should be ashamed of yourselves https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZnJHwuxuCI |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
246
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Posted - 2013.08.12 06:32:00 -
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So I watched the video. Where is the exploit? Regardless of what the narration stated what is being exploited here? Superior positioning? Good angles on targets? Using the terrain to best advantage? I'm not seeing it. Also, his team lost. Bad too. At least by the looks of the MCC conditions at the end... All those things you said with the "guess what..." probably would've lowered his kill count. I don't see an exploit. I see great positioning. I also didn't see any countersniping or anyone grab a dropship and go after him. Not sure what the problem is here... |
calvin b
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
234
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Posted - 2013.08.12 06:42:00 -
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Ya I decided to go full time sniper and I am OK at it. I like the hunt and the thrill of head shots. So far out of 20 matches I have died twice and killed over a hundred, not sure if that is good but I will keep trying. Also I cant stand the sound the charge rifle makes, it distracts you from listening for people sneaking up on you. So I decided to go with another rifle, can you guess which one? Bong, man I love that sound Also I have kept tower snipers and forge gunners off my teams back so before you start QQ about snipers just remember were helping more than you know. |
Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.08.12 06:43:00 -
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Khal V'Rani wrote:So I watched the video. Where is the exploit? Regardless of what the narration stated what is being exploited here? Superior positioning? Good angles on targets? Using the terrain to best advantage? I'm not seeing it. Also, his team lost. Bad too. At least by the looks of the MCC conditions at the end... All those things you said with the "guess what..." probably would've lowered his kill count. I don't see an exploit. I see great positioning. I also didn't see any countersniping or anyone grab a dropship and go after him. Not sure what the problem is here... What game in the world allow a player to get 30 kills and 0??? pretty damn rare in battlefield.... Pretty damn rare even in planetside 2... This Great Superior Positioning was unattainable unless your got a dropship of your own... In my case i would have rocked the Commando suit and had my secondary be a swarm launcher... My point is Snipers are untouchable in this game which is fine but than kills should be worlds harder to get in the game... Without bullet drop kills are simply to easy and run the sniper level 4 and i know you sniper level 5 guys get a huge advantage with that scope... dont play with me when it comes down to the facts.... Snipers dont need a nerf but they need countermeasures... bubble shield to stop snipers or a riot shield which takes up a primary slot.. |
Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.08.12 06:45:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Ya I decided to go full time sniper and I am OK at it. I like the hunt and the thrill of head shots. So far out of 20 matches I have died twice and killed over a hundred, not sure if that is good but I will keep trying. Also I cant stand the sound the charge rifle makes, it distracts you from listening for people sneaking up on you. So I decided to go with another rifle, can you guess which one? Bong, man I love that sound Also I have kept tower snipers and forge gunners off my teams back so before you start QQ about snipers just remember were helping more than you know. exactly what shooter in the world allow you to do such a thing... but it should not be nerfed but people should get gear to countermeasure it like a riot shield or something because the value of the sniper if valid regardless of what anyone says. |
Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.08.12 06:46:00 -
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Burntface man112 wrote:Khal V'Rani wrote:So I watched the video. Where is the exploit? Regardless of what the narration stated what is being exploited here? Superior positioning? Good angles on targets? Using the terrain to best advantage? I'm not seeing it. Also, his team lost. Bad too. At least by the looks of the MCC conditions at the end... All those things you said with the "guess what..." probably would've lowered his kill count. I don't see an exploit. I see great positioning. I also didn't see any countersniping or anyone grab a dropship and go after him. Not sure what the problem is here... What game in the world allow a player to get 30 kills and 0??? pretty damn rare in battlefield.... Pretty damn rare even in planetside 2... This Great Superior Positioning was unattainable unless your got a dropship of your own... In my case i would have rocked the Commando suit and had my secondary be a swarm launcher... My point is Snipers are untouchable in this game which is fine but than kills should be worlds harder to get in the game... Without bullet drop kills are simply to easy and run the sniper level 4 and i know you sniper level 5 guys get a huge advantage with that scope... dont play with me when it comes down to the facts.... Snipers dont need a nerf but they need countermeasures... bubble shield to stop snipers or a riot shield which takes up a primary slot.. also yes they lost but he got huge kills for it giving him a boost on his stats making the leaderboards for KD a compete joke... Sniper should not be getting overall stats with 20 K/D ratio look at the number 1 killer on Dust |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
970
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Posted - 2013.08.12 06:48:00 -
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I've got just the thing |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
250
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Posted - 2013.08.12 07:07:00 -
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A must have for all Dust players. |
Minor Treat
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
41
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Posted - 2013.08.12 07:18:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:A must have for all Dust players. pretty much, until that bubble shield comes out but even than probably will still be. |
Minor Treat
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
41
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Posted - 2013.08.12 07:23:00 -
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Khal V'Rani wrote:So I watched the video. Where is the exploit? Regardless of what the narration stated what is being exploited here? Superior positioning? Good angles on targets? Using the terrain to best advantage? I'm not seeing it. Also, his team lost. Bad too. At least by the looks of the MCC conditions at the end... All those things you said with the "guess what..." probably would've lowered his kill count. I don't see an exploit. I see great positioning. I also didn't see any countersniping or anyone grab a dropship and go after him. Not sure what the problem is here... to be honest dude i gotta agree with Burntface man. If you get a commando suit its pretty ridiculous how hard it is to kill that one guy up there. Each time that sniper gets a kill gets his organized squad that much closer to a Orbital Strike. Nerfing them is extreme but adding a countermeasure seems pretty reasonable to me. The only game i can compare this to with the amount of deaths i receive from snipers goes even beyond my death from MAG by snipers and thats saying alot. i have gotten killed by a sniper dude to map design over 8 times. which out of 16 players is alot. each spawn being different. If i could equip a countermeasure than i would feel the need to agree with him. |
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Torneido Achura
The Suicide Kingz
7
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Posted - 2013.08.12 07:24:00 -
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Dont like it? Then go use an active scanner, find him and kill him, or even more amusing: countersnipe |
TODDSTER024
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2013.08.12 07:27:00 -
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I spawn in the ground base in my BPO suit, call in a militia viper dropship, fly over and crush/kill them... |
voidfaction
Void of Faction
43
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Posted - 2013.08.12 07:29:00 -
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If that's an exploit then I'm exploiting them exploiting when I get 20/0 killing them |
Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:14:00 -
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Torneido Achura wrote:Dont like it? Then go use an active scanner, find him and kill him, or even more amusing: countersnipe Only OP for sniper right now is the inviglitch, aside of that -blah- thery're doin the job, quit the whinin. can;t go get em when they are redline or ontop of a tower 700 meters in the air.. You quit whine you redneck fuc k oh and next time read the fu cking post to its entirety you clearly missed how Heavies can snipe making counter sniper pointless unless you skilled into sniper too. so STFU you dumb mother fu cker |
HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
161
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:16:00 -
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They have at best 6 bullets per clip. Dust sniper rifles are the hardest sniper rifles in all of gaming. I ignore 9/10 snipers. You can rush them easy..unless they are good |
Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:17:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:If that's an exploit then I'm exploiting them exploiting when I get 20/0 killing them you are exploiting it, soon to be no one will be bothered by it when the trees come up and bubble shields do too. but will we make it that far... doubtfull since your killing off player base thanks... i doubt this game will survive once Planetside 2 comes out. |
g4 status
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:24:00 -
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Khal V'Rani wrote:So I watched the video. Where is the exploit? Regardless of what the narration stated what is being exploited here? Superior positioning? Good angles on targets? Using the terrain to best advantage? I'm not seeing it. Also, his team lost. Bad too. At least by the looks of the MCC conditions at the end... All those things you said with the "guess what..." probably would've lowered his kill count. I don't see an exploit. I see great positioning. I also didn't see any countersniping or anyone grab a dropship and go after him. Not sure what the problem is here... -1 your stupid dude. run infantry and see how snipers treat you for once... |
dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
310
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:26:00 -
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Burntface man112 wrote:OH Guess what run militia sniper... Guess what they can tank heavy suits with their sniper... OH run vehicles... OH guess what with the commando suit they can run swarm launchers now with their snipers... Oh run in a pack.... Guess what... If a member of your pack dies from a sniper your pack becomes that much weaker in advancing on enemy posts. Oh use your Vehicle to block shoots when your hacking... Guess what Commando suit dude... oh Sniping takes skill.... So I take you're mad because some sniper in a commando suit killed you a few times in game?
Couldn't you just send the person some hatemail instead of crying on the forums because you got mad over getting beaten in a video game? |
dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
310
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:27:00 -
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g4 status wrote:-1 your stupid dude. run infantry and see how snipers treat you for once...
g4 status wrote:-1 your stupid dude.
g4 status wrote:your stupid
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Asirius Medaius
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
198
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:30:00 -
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dustwaffle wrote:g4 status wrote:-1 your stupid dude. run infantry and see how snipers treat you for once... g4 status wrote:-1 your stupid dude. g4 status wrote:your stupid
Hey, no one here claimed he passed 2nd grade grammar... |
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George Moros
WarRavens League of Infamy
46
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:30:00 -
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Burntface man112 wrote:We don't have any means of stopping snipers at all in this game... if they are redlining than its impossible to get them unless your a skilled into sniper as well. OH Guess what run militia sniper... Guess what they can tank heavy suits with their sniper... OH run vehicles... OH guess what with the commando suit they can run swarm launchers now with their snipers... Oh run in a pack.... Guess what... If a member of your pack dies from a sniper your pack becomes that much weaker in advancing on enemy posts. Oh use your Vehicle to block shoots when your hacking... Guess what Commando suit dude... oh Sniping takes skill.... Yes but not as much skill as in battlefield 3 since you have to compensate for bullet drop and the prone position which this game does not have making sneaking past lines that much harder... Why do people think the K/D leaderboards are so messed up because of the effective killing strategies the sniper can be... Oh Yes the sniper doesn't help the opposing team since he is not boots on the ground.... Oh guess what yes he is because not only is he earning WP for the Orbital strike he is keep enemies off objectives, helping squadmates proceed when attack objectives, providing intel on enemy positions, and finally killing the enemy which is another way to win the damn game modes.
Ah, redline sniping - basically, there are two categories of those.
There's people with severe loss aversion who don't mind if they contribute little to their teams because they can't stand getting killed a few times. But, there are very few maps in which sniper can stay behind redline and contribute to his team regardless of how the battle is developing. Therefore, those snipers are not the ones to whine about.
The other kind of redline sniping is when a team gets dominated, all spawn points captured except those behind redline. In that case, sniper usually cannot position himself anywhere else but behind redline. However, I really fail to understand why people whine when they get killed in such instances. If you are already totally dominating the match, what the hell is forcing you to push ahead and risk getting killed by redline snipers? I suppose it's just plain greed for kills. Why not simply camp the objectives and wait for the opponent to make a move. Behind cover, of course.
As for counter sniping in general... yes, another sniper is usually the best tool for sniper removal. When sniping is concerned, it usually comes down to snipers duking it out between themselves to see which ones get to help their teams, and which ones get to spend the battle covering behind walls/hills.
As for some of your other ideas - bullet drop seems pretty ridiculous on a weapon that fires flechettes at hypersonic speeds, at ranges up to 600m. Also, prone position would certainly be more beneficial to snipers, then people trying to cross their lines of fire. A (good) sniper is already hard to detect. Allowing him to go prone... not a good idea. |
dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
314
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:31:00 -
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George Moros wrote:Ah, redline sniping - basically, there are two categories of those.
There's people with severe loss aversion who don't mind if they contribute little to their teams because they can't stand getting killed a few times. But, there are very few maps in which sniper can stay behind redline and contribute to his team regardless of how the battle is developing. Therefore, those snipers are not the ones to whine about.
The other kind of redline sniping is when a team gets dominated, all spawn points captured except those behind redline. In that case, sniper usually cannot position himself anywhere else but behind redline. However, I really fail to understand why people whine when they get killed in such instances. If you are already totally dominating the match, what the hell is forcing you to push ahead and risk getting killed by redline snipers? I suppose it's just plain greed for kills. Why not simply camp the objectives and wait for the opponent to make a move. Behind cover, of course.
As for counter sniping in general... yes, another sniper is usually the best tool for sniper removal. When sniping is concerned, it usually comes down to snipers duking it out between themselves to see which ones get to help their teams, and which ones get to spend the battle covering behind walls/hills.
As for some of your other ideas - bullet drop seems pretty ridiculous on a weapon that fires flechettes at hypersonic speeds, at ranges up to 600m. Also, prone position would certainly be more beneficial to snipers, then people trying to cross their lines of fire. A (good) sniper is already hard to detect. Allowing him to go prone... not a good idea. You're not supposed to make sense on these forums. |
Stile451
Red Star. EoN.
179
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:32:00 -
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Bullet drop when fired from the current range of sniper rifles would be negligible because travel time is nearly instant(at max range the travel time would be less than 1/4 of a second - the distance he was firing at it was probably under 1/8 of a second). |
Rogue Saint
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
97
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:36:00 -
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Burntface man112 wrote: Needs a TL;DR
You are wrong dude, you are clearly running solo or with an inadequate squad. All my squads have someone who can counter snipe. There are not too many places where a sniper can truly hide, even in their redline, and if they can they are doing their job correctly (killing and moving back to cover or changing location).
The prevalence of commando or heavy snipers has increased for sure, but I can pretty much guarantee that those players aren't as good as dedicated counter sniper who can pin them down and push them back to cover denying them any kills.
I have no problem with a sniper going 30/0, he's either doing a very good job at sniping or the people he killed are just plain crap at dust. Most snipers don't move from their "spot" so will always have a limited area of the battlefield to cover, if you are dying over and over again then you are clearly stupid for not learning or anticipating the snipers LoS.
Sure it takes a sniper to learn how other snipers play the game, but isn't that the whole point of Dust, you try different classes and play styles and learn how to defeat the "enemy" regardless of what they are using. |
Torneido Achura
The Suicide Kingz
10
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:44:00 -
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Burntface man112 wrote:Torneido Achura wrote:Dont like it? Then go use an active scanner, find him and kill him, or even more amusing: countersnipe Only OP for sniper right now is the inviglitch, aside of that -blah- thery're doin the job, quit the whinin. can;t go get em when they are redline or ontop of a tower 700 meters in the air.. You quit whine you redneck fuc k oh and next time read the fu cking post to its entirety you clearly missed how Heavies can snipe making counter sniper pointless unless you skilled into sniper too. so STFU you dumb mother fu cker
Seriously? Ugh.. I didnt mean to insult you, but you crossed the line.
700 meters? where? redline? then countersnipe
hehe and the dumb redneck its probably you, gonna give you an advice quit the game I bet youre really bad at it go play pokemon or something.. |
George Moros
WarRavens League of Infamy
46
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:57:00 -
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dustwaffle wrote: You're not supposed to make sense on these forums.
Thank you for confirming that. |
Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:57:00 -
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George Moros wrote:Burntface man112 wrote:We don't have any means of stopping snipers at all in this game... if they are redlining than its impossible to get them unless your a skilled into sniper as well. OH Guess what run militia sniper... Guess what they can tank heavy suits with their sniper... OH run vehicles... OH guess what with the commando suit they can run swarm launchers now with their snipers... Oh run in a pack.... Guess what... If a member of your pack dies from a sniper your pack becomes that much weaker in advancing on enemy posts. Oh use your Vehicle to block shoots when your hacking... Guess what Commando suit dude... oh Sniping takes skill.... Yes but not as much skill as in battlefield 3 since you have to compensate for bullet drop and the prone position which this game does not have making sneaking past lines that much harder... Why do people think the K/D leaderboards are so messed up because of the effective killing strategies the sniper can be... Oh Yes the sniper doesn't help the opposing team since he is not boots on the ground.... Oh guess what yes he is because not only is he earning WP for the Orbital strike he is keep enemies off objectives, helping squadmates proceed when attack objectives, providing intel on enemy positions, and finally killing the enemy which is another way to win the damn game modes.
Ah, redline sniping - basically, there are two categories of those. There's people with severe loss aversion who don't mind if they contribute little to their teams because they can't stand getting killed a few times. But, there are very few maps in which sniper can stay behind redline and contribute to his team regardless of how the battle is developing. Therefore, those snipers are not the ones to whine about. The other kind of redline sniping is when a team gets dominated, all spawn points captured except those behind redline. In that case, sniper usually cannot position himself anywhere else but behind redline. However, I really fail to understand why people whine when they get killed in such instances. If you are already totally dominating the match, what the hell is forcing you to push ahead and risk getting killed by redline snipers? I suppose it's just plain greed for kills. Why not simply camp the objectives and wait for the opponent to make a move. Behind cover, of course. As for counter sniping in general... yes, another sniper is usually the best tool for sniper removal. When sniping is concerned, it usually comes down to snipers duking it out between themselves to see which ones get to help their teams, and which ones get to spend the battle covering behind walls/hills. As for some of your other ideas - bullet drop seems pretty ridiculous on a weapon that fires flechettes at hypersonic speeds, at ranges up to 600m. Also, prone position would certainly be more beneficial to snipers, then people trying to cross their lines of fire. A (good) sniper is already hard to detect. Allowing him to go prone... not a good idea. Doesnt matter either way it breaks KD ratio completely. if there is no bullet drop than kills are totally vague.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca0eJs3q0Zo
BF3 snipers actually compensate for bullet drop while we just point and click |
Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.08.12 08:59:00 -
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Torneido Achura wrote:Burntface man112 wrote:Torneido Achura wrote:Dont like it? Then go use an active scanner, find him and kill him, or even more amusing: countersnipe Only OP for sniper right now is the inviglitch, aside of that -blah- thery're doin the job, quit the whinin. can;t go get em when they are redline or ontop of a tower 700 meters in the air.. You quit whine you redneck fuc k oh and next time read the fu cking post to its entirety you clearly missed how Heavies can snipe making counter sniper pointless unless you skilled into sniper too. so STFU you dumb mother fu cker Seriously? Ugh.. I didnt mean to insult you, but you crossed the line. 700 meters? where? redline? then countersnipe hehe and the dumb redneck its probably you, gonna give you an advice quit the game I bet youre really bad at it go play pokemon or something.. actually i will play with your mom's ti ts they seem fun :) secondly did you fuc king read the post to its entirety? Heavy snipers make counter sniping unless your rocking skilled into sniper skills pointless. standard and milita sniping is useless. |
Burntface man112
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.08.12 09:02:00 -
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Rogue Saint wrote:Burntface man112 wrote: Needs a TL;DR You are wrong dude, you are clearly running solo or with an inadequate squad. All my squads have someone who can counter snipe. There are not too many places where a sniper can truly hide, even in their redline, and if they can they are doing their job correctly (killing and moving back to cover or changing location). The prevalence of commando or heavy snipers has increased for sure, but I can pretty much guarantee that those players aren't as good as dedicated counter sniper who can pin them down and push them back to cover denying them any kills. I have no problem with a sniper going 30/0, he's either doing a very good job at sniping or the people he killed are just plain crap at dust. Most snipers don't move from their "spot" so will always have a limited area of the battlefield to cover, if you are dying over and over again then you are clearly stupid for not learning or anticipating the snipers LoS. Sure it takes a sniper to learn how other snipers play the game, but isn't that the whole point of Dust, you try different classes and play styles and learn how to defeat the "enemy" regardless of what they are using. if thats the case than why dont more people play dust??? reality check the amount of snipers reaching 30 and 0 is pretty damn common now because not only are battlefields open but with the introduction to commando suits limits fast means of transportation to their position. It breaks the ******* games K/D ratio why do you think every review in the world did not give this a score beyond average??? |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
248
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Posted - 2013.08.12 09:03:00 -
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g4 status wrote: -1 your stupid dude. run infantry and see how snipers treat you for once...
I too would like a dislike button.... I want one soooo bad.
And I run, per situational priority, hmg heavy bpo or ADV suit, AV bpo suit, logi bpo, aaaaaand scout bpo. Now, ask me again how good snipers treat me. And I still don't see an exploit here.
Oh, I almost forgot, I have a bpo assault suit fitted with a ______ _____ for countering something. +1 to the first one who guesses correctly. |
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