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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2013.08.12 01:37:00 -
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Only the bugs that make it not shoot and not explode should be fixed. NOTHING else should be changed. It is perfect right now, asides from the bugs. It takes skill to use , yes, but it is not underpowered.
And for anybody who doesn't know; it's meant for COX not long range fights! It even says it in the description. It doesn't need bigger splash or more splash damage, nor less arc, it doesn't need more than one round in the clip, it doesn't need to shoot faster and it definitely doesn't need a faster projectile.
All these things would make it to easy to use and OP. That's what the Mass Driver's for. |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 01:43:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Its supposed to be an AV weapon. Its incredibly easy to dodge even in a tank.
Increase Projectile Speed, but do not touch Splash at all.
Also make Breach and Assault variants.
You are suppose to use it at shotgun range. Not Sniper rifle range.
Speed in not an issue at this range. |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 01:58:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:It needs to at least be scaled better across the variants and that charging mechanic has to go. Face it, the damn thing came in pre-nerfed just like the Commando and Amarr logi.
The only thing I could see them changing is the CPU & PG requirements.
The charge is fine, helps make it a high skill weapon.
If they buff it they will make it another spam cannon like the Flaylock and Mass Driver. Another weapon to exploit. It will then be nerfed into the ground and it will be useless.
Right now it is 100% fine (asides bugs). It is a hard weapon to use, but if you learn to use it, you will be one shotting heavies before your know it. |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:00:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Needs more variants... an assault variant with low damage and high splash for anti personnel and a breach/std variant with zero to almost no splash and high direct damage for AV work.
Same should probably go for the forge gun.
Forge gun already has assault and breach variant.
Assault is good for spamming on infantry from roofs and the breach is good for ambushing tanks. |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 15:47:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Its supposed to be an AV weapon. Its incredibly easy to dodge even in a tank.
Increase Projectile Speed, but do not touch Splash at all.
Also make Breach and Assault variants. You are suppose to use it at shotgun range. Not Sniper rifle range. Speed in not an issue at this range. AV usable only at shotgun range is crap AV. At that point you're just going to get hit by the vehicle you're trying to take down.
So AV grenades are fine right?
Why do HAV people talk bad about them? |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 15:50:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Cosgar wrote:It needs to at least be scaled better across the variants and that charging mechanic has to go. Face it, the damn thing came in pre-nerfed just like the Commando and Amarr logi. The only thing I could see them changing is the CPU & PG requirements. The charge is fine, helps make it a high skill weapon. If they buff it they will make it another spam cannon like the Flaylock and Mass Driver. Another weapon to exploit. It will then be nerfed into the ground and it will be useless. Right now it is 100% fine (asides bugs). It is a hard weapon to use, but if you learn to use it, you will be one shotting heavies before your know it. You know it's meant to be an AV weapon right?
Cosgar, get a scout suit Plasma Cannon and some AV nades.
Use the Plasma Cannon to take out their shields and use AV nades for the armor. Boom, OP fit right there. You can't do it, leave it alone and let the rest of us do it. |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 15:52:00 -
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G Felix wrote:I have always felt, as I'm seeing many do, that the PLC needs a fix and not a buff. The "Dud" shots and the projectile's collision detection on a number of surfaces need some love badly. But I've always really liked that DUST's "Noob tube" is actually playing on hard mode.
Naw, this is the RPG of Dust.
The noob tube is the Mass Driver, that is OP. Not for being OP, but because most of the other light weapons and the HMG are under powered. |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 15:56:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Any plasma cannon above standard is pointless.
Standard plasma cannons are more powerful than standard swarm launchers and AV nades. However, advanced and prototype are far weaker.
I agree, I was going to get advanced, but saw it was barely an improvement.
The only thing I can think of is to maybe make advanced hold two rounds and proto three? It wouldn't be OP because the only thing it would do, is reduce the reload time for every three shots. Right now the only real incentives are so you can get the damage proficiency and lessen the charging speed. |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:00:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Cosgar wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Cosgar wrote:It needs to at least be scaled better across the variants and that charging mechanic has to go. Face it, the damn thing came in pre-nerfed just like the Commando and Amarr logi. The only thing I could see them changing is the CPU & PG requirements. The charge is fine, helps make it a high skill weapon. If they buff it they will make it another spam cannon like the Flaylock and Mass Driver. Another weapon to exploit. It will then be nerfed into the ground and it will be useless. Right now it is 100% fine (asides bugs). It is a hard weapon to use, but if you learn to use it, you will be one shotting heavies before your know it. You know it's meant to be an AV weapon right? Cosgar, get a scout suit Plasma Cannon and some AV nades. Use the Plasma Cannon to take out their shields and use AV nades for the armor. Boom, OP fit right there. You can't do it, leave it alone and let the rest of us do it. Or just fit AV nades? I mean, you're gonna have to restock anyway. Why bother with the UP plasma cannon? Or better yet, use a swarm launcher instead.
Normally the way I use my Swarm launcher is to use advanced flux nades on the HAV first and then follow up with the Swarms for the damage bonus.
The Plasma cannon is the inverse. Use the Plasma cannon against the shields and then follow up with AV nades on the armor.
Pretty effective, unfortunately most people don't know to use it like this. |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 16:35:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Its supposed to be an AV weapon. Its incredibly easy to dodge even in a tank.
Increase Projectile Speed, but do not touch Splash at all.
Also make Breach and Assault variants. You are suppose to use it at shotgun range. Not Sniper rifle range. Speed in not an issue at this range. But dude.. AV Grenades > Plasma Cannon, and you get 3 shots rather than 1. It needs a speed buff, it's far too slow.
Except that Plasma Cannons destroy shields, AV grenades destroy armor. You can take out a shields tank's shields in usually 1-2 shots with the Plasma Cannon, while you may have used all three of your AV nades on their shields and then you have to resupply and you give them time to get their shields up.
So Plasma Cannon is for Shields, AV nades are for use against armor. It is that simple. |
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