We'll be closely watching your feedback on these changes as well as monitoring the data to see how they play out live after 1.3 rolls out. As we see Flaylocks and Contact Grenades being used more and more, we had to do something about it and quickly, so players start coming back to the other grenade and sidearm options we offer in game.

So, based on this quote from the devblog:




CCP, will you be buffing the flaylocks a little now that virtually no one uses them?

Will you also be nerfing the SMG considering they are completely dominating the sidearm use, and are also being used as primary weapons, two of the main offences lodged at the flaylock?

Or, is your company completely inconsistent and just writes stuff in devblogs, never to be revisited again?

you got to be kidding me that flaylock is still very useful. and no one uses the smg as a primary lmao.. its strengths in armor damage just like the flaylock. i bet my money on the flaylocker anyday over the smg guy when the shields are down.

Flaylocks were noob tubes. You at least have to aim an SMG and be able to strafe.

Lol. SMG defines spray and pray.

you got to be kidding me that flaylock is still very useful. and no one uses the smg as a primary lmao.. its strengths in armor damage just like the flaylock. i bet my money on the flaylocker anyday over the smg guy when the shields are down.

No dual SMG's on a proto min assault defines spray and pray. 200 rounds of terror.

So, based on this quote from the devblog:




CCP, will you be buffing the flaylocks a little now that virtually no one uses them?

Will you also be nerfing the SMG considering they are completely dominating the sidearm use, and are also being used as primary weapons, two of the main offences lodged at the flaylock?

Or, is your company completely inconsistent and just writes stuff in devblogs, never to be revisited again?

No dual SMG's on a proto min assault defines spray and pray. 200 rounds of terror.

then you meet a proto caldari and you barely break his shields and you wont hit him with a flux cause he can dodge it with the lolspeed of caldari suits.

You realize minmatar are faster than caldari right? and I can destroy anyone running dual smg's. They are beastly if you can aim.

Posting in a stealth nerf AR thread.

In competitive matches more people used the Flaylock than the SMG (by far).

SMG might be used as a primary as some people, but does that mean there's a problem? Hardly, the SMG isn't as good as an AR plus the SMG has the highest fitting requirements of all the sidearms so it should be the sidearm closest to a primary.

Flaylocks on the other hand have the lowest fitting requirements of all the sidearms, so obviously this should be the sidearm furthest from an actual primary weapon. I'm pretty sure people still use it alongside a primary, mainly as a finishing kind of weapon, as intended.

/thread.

USe of the sidearm as a primary, and overuse compared to other sidearms were both cited by CCP as reasons for the flaylock nerf. The SMG exhibits both of these characteristics, so is CCP going to look at the SMG, or are they hypocritical?

Are they, instead, going to look at the flaylock again per their own dev thread, or are they liars?

USe of the sidearm as a primary, and overuse compared to other sidearms were both cited by CCP as reasons for the flaylock nerf. The SMG exhibits both of these characteristics, so is CCP going to look at the SMG, or are they hypocritical?

Are they, instead, going to look at the flaylock again per their own dev thread, or are they liars?

Flaylocks are still quite powerful and I know a few people who still use them. They all say the weapon feels perfect in its sidearm finisher niche it was supposed to fill. Also the fitting requirements are practically non existent making it the sidearm of choice for many.

You just need to get good buster, you shouldn't have to rely on crutch OP explosive weapons.

Flaylock is fine, doesn't need any changes until they fix explosive damage fall off.

Lol. Thanks ZDub. For the record, I still carry mine. This is more about holding CCP to their word.

The SMG is a clearly superior weapon. The balance pass on the flaylock was supposed to lower it's usage, not obliterate it.

Also, the SMG, as expected, has filled the role that CCP was trying to prevent with the flaylock nerf.

Without respecs, usage stats aren't as viable as they can be.

Flaylocks can't be rework until they fix explosive fall off. I would rather it remains as is than have it become the problem it was back in 1.2.

Lol. SMG defines spray and pray.

Lol. SMG defines spray and pray.

So, based on this quote from the devblog:




CCP, will you be buffing the flaylocks a little now that virtually no one uses them?

Will you also be nerfing the SMG considering they are completely dominating the sidearm use, and are also being used as primary weapons, two of the main offences lodged at the flaylock?

Or, is your company completely inconsistent and just writes stuff in devblogs, never to be revisited again?

SMG's are balanced. Flaylocks promoted a "close enough is good enough" attitude where players don't have to be accurate as long as they can fire in a general direction and with an lol explosive. In most games SMG's are players favorite weapon, because they not only promote high mobility, but they are usually just as good if not better than the assault rifle in capable hands.

Heres the thing. Winmatar suit gives a bonus to sidearm clip size, most noticeable on SMG. Whats wrong with taking advantage of suit/weapon synergy? Also, scrambler pistols are awesome. SMG is more common because people like their hitscan pray and spray.