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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.08.11 07:20:00 -
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So and interesting phenomenon I have noticed and I wonder if other have noticed it as well.
Occasionally on Iron Delta, Map with the Central Bridge, and the secondary compound. More often than not where we see the Orbital Cannon Complex, when one team dominates the outer areas including the bridge they face the odd challenge of besieging the main compound.
This sees players run the gauntlet of open ground only to face concentrated fire from two levels, with ample cover, and a bridge, while throwing tanks against a fortified emplacement.
Something I would like to suggest with outposts that we see more defensible out posts, gates, ramparts, built in turrets, and or trenchlines, or better placement of pill boxes so that players can lay siege and be besieged in such structures.
A game mode could even be developed from this concept like a Rush Map. Three Complexes with a destroyable and hackable objectives and a rolling red line that pushes combat from instance to instance.... but that's not the point.
What we fight over in Dust are industriall complexes and while these are great concepts I feel like the odd military out post and defended fuel depot of the like would not be out of place in new eden.
While these things ever be possible? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1292
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Posted - 2013.08.16 01:08:00 -
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CCP LogicLoop wrote:True Adamance wrote:So and interesting phenomenon I have noticed and I wonder if other have noticed it as well.
Occasionally on Iron Delta, Map with the Central Bridge, and the secondary compound. More often than not where we see the Orbital Cannon Complex, when one team dominates the outer areas including the bridge they face the odd challenge of besieging the main compound.
This sees players run the gauntlet of open ground only to face concentrated fire from two levels, with ample cover, and a bridge, while throwing tanks against a fortified emplacement.
Something I would like to suggest with outposts that we see more defensible out posts, gates, ramparts, built in turrets, and or trenchlines, or better placement of pill boxes so that players can lay siege and be besieged in such structures.
A game mode could even be developed from this concept like a Rush Map. Three Complexes with a destroyable and hackable objectives and a rolling red line that pushes combat from instance to instance.... but that's not the point.
What we fight over in Dust are industriall complexes and while these are great concepts I feel like the odd military out post and defended fuel depot of the like would not be out of place in new eden.
While these things ever be possible? A previous game mode known as Skirmish 1.0 was a bit similar. We hope to bring a similar game mode back in the future. No real time estimate, but I regularly push and ask about moving forward with that. For defensible outposts, we have at least been directed to put more focus on defensible gates. Research outpost should be an improvement to this but it may not be perfect. Turrets should always be at large outposts unless they were destroyed. Our requirements are two turrets per gate in each surface infrastructure, so that would be a total of 6 turrets. Our terrain certainly could use a bit more work in the outpost maps, however we have a large blend area for the sockets into the main gameplay area, and at times it is not large enough to support something like trench lines. But I do like the idea, especially with adding more pill boxes (we have a pill box object, but I believe it is Caldari).
Thanks for responding Mr CCPLogibro. I was just wondering if the Dev's were considering Siege styled warfare since it is such and integral part of our own historical warfare, and since CCP opens up such a grand scope of besieged defenders and attacking siege battalions that I just had to ask. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1293
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Posted - 2013.08.16 03:14:00 -
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CCP LogicLoop wrote:True Adamance wrote:CCP LogicLoop wrote:True Adamance wrote:So and interesting phenomenon I have noticed and I wonder if other have noticed it as well.
Occasionally on Iron Delta, Map with the Central Bridge, and the secondary compound. More often than not where we see the Orbital Cannon Complex, when one team dominates the outer areas including the bridge they face the odd challenge of besieging the main compound.
This sees players run the gauntlet of open ground only to face concentrated fire from two levels, with ample cover, and a bridge, while throwing tanks against a fortified emplacement.
Something I would like to suggest with outposts that we see more defensible out posts, gates, ramparts, built in turrets, and or trenchlines, or better placement of pill boxes so that players can lay siege and be besieged in such structures.
A game mode could even be developed from this concept like a Rush Map. Three Complexes with a destroyable and hackable objectives and a rolling red line that pushes combat from instance to instance.... but that's not the point.
What we fight over in Dust are industriall complexes and while these are great concepts I feel like the odd military out post and defended fuel depot of the like would not be out of place in new eden.
While these things ever be possible? A previous game mode known as Skirmish 1.0 was a bit similar. We hope to bring a similar game mode back in the future. No real time estimate, but I regularly push and ask about moving forward with that. For defensible outposts, we have at least been directed to put more focus on defensible gates. Research outpost should be an improvement to this but it may not be perfect. Turrets should always be at large outposts unless they were destroyed. Our requirements are two turrets per gate in each surface infrastructure, so that would be a total of 6 turrets. Our terrain certainly could use a bit more work in the outpost maps, however we have a large blend area for the sockets into the main gameplay area, and at times it is not large enough to support something like trench lines. But I do like the idea, especially with adding more pill boxes (we have a pill box object, but I believe it is Caldari). Thanks for responding Mr CCPLogibro. I was just wondering if the Dev's were considering Siege styled warfare since it is such and integral part of our own historical warfare, and since CCP opens up such a grand scope of besieged defenders and attacking siege battalions that I just had to ask. LogicLoop. LogiBro is some one else. =)
Crap my bad. Sorry seen Logibro's name all over Dust OOC and General Section.
Thanks anyway. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1294
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:22:00 -
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Anywho thanks for the Dev response I think this is my first blue tagged thread.
Anywho just letting you guys know there might be some players who feel the same as me and in the future may well like to see a bit o the old IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT "lets besiege their bases" style game modes. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1308
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Posted - 2013.08.16 23:03:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:CCP LogicLoop wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:Smooth true :-P. Just to chip in. Has it ever been considered to have objectives that can be destroyed. Like in skim 1.0 some of the maps are quite well suited to last stand at the objective moments :-) "I've" wanted destructible objectives. It's a common example I use for my ideal skirmish mode when we discuss the topic internally. I know one of the game designers is in a "high level" concept of a new game mode. It may or may not come to pass, but if it's being designed / written up by a game designer then it's more serious than just us talking. Suffice to say, be aware we thinking, discussing, and wanting more game modes, and not just alternate modes of current ones.  Day made. I think destructive objectives open ups a lot more possabilys foucse down the game play and stops ring a round roses we have now. It's good to know it's been actively considerd :-) r Even if it's a way off :-D
Agreed it would like to see Remote Explosives become more of a real demolitions tool that just a point defence item. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1308
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Posted - 2013.08.16 23:05:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:CCP LogicLoop wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:Smooth true :-P. Just to chip in. Has it ever been considered to have objectives that can be destroyed. Like in skim 1.0 some of the maps are quite well suited to last stand at the objective moments :-) "I've" wanted destructible objectives. It's a common example I use for my ideal skirmish mode when we discuss the topic internally. I know one of the game designers is in a "high level" concept of a new game mode. It may or may not come to pass, but if it's being designed / written up by a game designer then it's more serious than just us talking. Suffice to say, be aware we thinking, discussing, and wanting more game modes, and not just alternate modes of current ones. I've bourhgt up muliple times the idea that when you invade a district It should be MCC vs. MCC untill the other team in on it's last leg *since dust is a muliple battle capture system. Then why not have the final battle be skirmish 1.0 *or similar* ?? It gives the defenders an advantage *good* The red line moves *epic* the MCC hacks the outpost *makes sense for capturing a district* and you could add in the option if your losing to call in battleship sized OB support to "nuke it from orbit" meaning you get the district but no outpost have to rebuild. Then make it so eve players build the outposts so they can also send in team to blow them up thus creating more demand. and making the eve players more profits.
This is partly why I started the thread. I feel like if we are going to be fighting over districts we really should feel like we are laying siege to the planet itself, dropping out of MCC's, attacking complexes held by the enemy, blowing their junk up, and then having amazing last stand moments as the attacker finally breach the walls to cut your three remaining clones down. |
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