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Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:14:00 -
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I played a PC match yesterday. And wow, I got destroyed the second match. I'm willing to be that the majority of you, who think the Plasma Cannon is in need of a buff right now, probably play Instant battle 99% of the time, like me. The problem here is that the random players (and also thanks to 400wp debacle) are pretty terrible and the plasma cannon is easy to ignore. I'm an Amarr Assault and specced into amarr ****, so to me, the plasma cannon was no more different than the Assault rifle. Just like some people are terrible with ARs, some people are terrible with Plasma Cannons. Some people are really good with ARs, some people are good with Plasma Cannons.
That's what I USED to think. Until **** hit the fan.
I played my first couple of competitive matches yesterday. The first game, I hardly died to Plasma Cannons, died a few times to them but I felt all my deaths during the first match was fair. I think I went 14 kills and 7 or 9 deaths or something against Teamplayers.
Then the second match started and WTF.... Nearly every person I personally ran into had Plasma Cannons and I must have died 10 or 12 times to Plasma Cannons alone. This DEFINITELY put Plasma Cannons on my radar. These things were inescapable. So I began thinking....
Casual vs Competitive (READ: kids who can't aim vs talented shooters)
The Plasma Cannon cannot exist as it currently. No matter how you balance the weapon, it will either ruin competitive matches, or it will cease to become relevant at all even in casual matches. You see, when a competitive player uses non-Area of effect weapons (ARS, SMG, Semi AUTO rifles) against another, there are two competitions going on in the duel
1) Who can deal the most damage, the fastest
2) Who can avoid the most damage
When you give one of these very skilled players a Plasma Cannon, guess what happens? He can't miss. His helpless opponent cannot dodge, strafe, run for cover at all. He has essentially denied the helpless man the "2) Who can avoid the most damage" rule of this game. ALSO, he has crippled the helpless man's ability to just "stand his ground" and out DPS the Plasma Cannon because the PC jerks his screen around and clouds his vision with smoke. There is no reason to use any other weapon in a competitive match, (actually I take that back there needs to be a Forge gun sniping objectives). I try and go the High DPS route with my proficiency lvl 5, 2 cmplx dmg mods, charge shot imperial scrambler rifle, but all the DPS is meaningless in a duel with Plasma Cannons. I could kill other suits/guns just fine if I got a bead on my opponent fast enough. But those PCs were impossible.
B-B-But Plasma Cannons Takes Skill!
If you think the Plasma Cannon takes a lot of skill to master, then you are probably really bad at aiming and shooting. Play instant battle and you will see how terrible Plasma Cannon users are. Play PC and see how devastating Plasma cannons are.
The difference is that the PCs allow bad players (who would have terrible aiming) to, thanks to splash damage, have "decent" aiming. These bad players can now complete with ARs and other weapons in casual public matches.
on the other hand...
PCs allow skilled players (who can aim well consistently) to have flawless aiming. Because of the splash, the damage per splash, the smoke, and the screen displacement... the PC will out DPS anything mid/close-mid-mid/long (AKA AR territory) range.
So you still think the PCakes skill? Because of the projectile and time of flight? That's okay. Not trying to offend you or anything, but if you think an "easy-mode-splash-damage-black-hole-for-armor-instakiller" takes skill, if it took you weeks to master the PCs trajectory....
Conclusion
...then you are a bad player. |
Bittersteel the Bastard
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:15:00 -
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Wait hold on. Is this a Plasma Cannon nerf thread? |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:16:00 -
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Had Prototype Plasma Cannons on May 17th.
It was unanimous that they were the bastard child of the Forge Gun and the Mass Driver and were outperformed by both for different reasons.
If Plasma Cannons get nerfed - I will be genuinely upset, because they're not that powerful.
Edit: Also, you've got one shot. If you can get good with -one shot- then you kind of deserve to be powerful. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
682
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:18:00 -
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Soooo, just trying to throw the plasma cannon under the bus to save the MD?
Really? |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
661
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:20:00 -
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Hilarious.
Going to be completely honest though, a PC spam would be just as bad as an MD spam if not worse. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
500
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:22:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Hilarious.
Going to be completely honest though, a PC spam would be just as bad as an MD spam if not worse.
No need for flux when the splash is dmg modded to 400+ each Or you can flux, and still get them. Same positioning, just much, much harder hitting splash. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
500
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:24:00 -
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no one seems to have thought about what would happen when commandos are up on the roof with plasma cannons and mass drivers! The carnage! |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
682
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:27:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Hilarious.
Going to be completely honest though, a PC spam would be just as bad as an MD spam if not worse. No need for flux when the splash is dmg modded to 400+ each Or you can flux, and still get them. Same positioning, just much, much harder hitting splash.
Or you can fire one round, maybe not get a insta kill and have to reload for 3.5 secs.
Or if you use the MD, you can keep firing if the first shot doesn't insta kill.
Really, I'm against MDs but why do MD users refuse to talk about the weapon and just go straight to "AR 514" or "Nerf this weapon instead"
Not saying all MD users are like that. Just a good amount. |
Barny Scrubble
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:30:00 -
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Bittersteel the Bastard wrote:Wait hold on. Is this a Plasma Cannon nerf thread?
No this thread is a parody of the md thread of the same name, and a future thread should md get the nerf being requested. The MD is fine, and the plasma cannon may need a buff of some sort. The prevalent issues are the non-existent aim assist and hit detection.
Mass drivers were vastly more powerful in the previous build, yet were hardly used because people could actually hit what they were aiming at. Once aim assist was removed for reworking, they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. So, they took up mass drivers.
Once aim assist comes back, mass drivers will find itself back into a supporting role. |
TunRa
The Vanguardians
35
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:31:00 -
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Troll thread is funny. Btw this is what he is making fun of. |
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Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
500
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:32:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Hilarious.
Going to be completely honest though, a PC spam would be just as bad as an MD spam if not worse. No need for flux when the splash is dmg modded to 400+ each Or you can flux, and still get them. Same positioning, just much, much harder hitting splash. Or you can fire one round, maybe not get a insta kill and have to reload for 3.5 secs. Or if you use the MD, you can keep firing if the first shot doesn't insta kill. Really, I'm against MDs but why do MD users refuse to talk about the weapon and just go straight to "AR 514" or "Nerf this weapon instead" Not saying all MD users are like that. Just a good amount.
But, if you have eight plasma cannons on top of a building, it doesn't matter if you get the kill on the first shot, the other seven guys will get it. Plenty of time to reload after that.  |
Support Sgt Sparky
DUST University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:34:00 -
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The only way to kill some someone with a plasma cannon is equip at least a basic damage mod and score a direct hit. But it's so slow and holds one shot, its really hard. How did you die?! Did you legitly run AT the shot and blew up? It needs to be a little beefed to be a competitor to comparable weapons, not nerfed to the graveyard. Use it for yourself first. |
TunRa
The Vanguardians
35
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:35:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:no one seems to have thought about what would happen when commandos are up on the roof with plasma cannons and mass drivers! The carnage!
I'm going to do this right NOW! |
Roldrage
DIOS X. II
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:41:00 -
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Is this a troll thread? |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
829
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:43:00 -
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nice copy pasta, looks delicious |
Roldrage
DIOS X. II
Top Men.
140
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Posted - 2013.08.10 16:45:00 -
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TunRa wrote:Troll thread is funny. Btw this is what he is making fun of.
Just seen this, nice one op. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1115
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:01:00 -
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If the use of irony turns out to be ironic in itself, what is that called? |
Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:01:00 -
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Effective troll is effective. Good work Leovarian. |
Orenji Jiji
Seraphim Auxiliaries
244
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:04:00 -
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Troll used copypasta. It's super effective!
But seriously, I laughed out loud, 9/10. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
504
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:11:00 -
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Even fiddlesnap agrees!:
Fiddlestaxp wrote:
Fair enough. I've only run into 2-3 matches were the PC was oppressive.. and they used 5 w/ flaylock + forge and camped on roofs. They were never able to make enough of a push on a point to hold more than 1 most of the game. Most of the weapons in this game can be oppressive in their proper role. I've seen shot gunners go off and win games by themselves. Does that make the weapon broken? Nope.
Facts stand that most of the competitive teams don't load up on plasma cannons despite being well aware of it's capabilities. My corp keeps me around for the other things that I do... Not my blatantly broken 1 shot noobtube noskill blindfire cannon. And I am usually the ONLY ONE using the PC on my team.
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Spectral Clone
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
200
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:15:00 -
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
359
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:26:00 -
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Read half way through before it stopped making sense. What you are saying is that a good player who can aim will always one shot the opponent. Have you played with the weapon yourself? The projectile speed is so slow that it's easy to make half a step in any direction to avoid direct damage and just absorb the splash. After this the pro PC gun is just screwed - he wont have time to reload. And that's in CQC. Longer ranges PC is just dumb useless. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
504
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:28:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Read half way through before it stopped making sense. What you are saying is that a good player who can aim will always one shot the opponent. Have you played with the weapon yourself? The projectile speed is so slow that it's easy to make half a step in any direction to avoid direct damage and just absorb the splash. After this the pro PC gun is just screwed - he wont have time to reload. And that's in CQC. Longer ranges PC is just dumb useless.
Stop trying to defend your crutch weapon! eight of them on a roof with PC, we couldn't even touch the objective. Damn commandos, we'd try to fight them from range, but then they would wump us with their tac snipers. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
359
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:28:00 -
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Oh lol lol lol. It's a joke thread.
I fee ashamed for biting the hook. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
359
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:33:00 -
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Oh! and +1, Sir, for being a gentleman and a scholar. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
22
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:36:00 -
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Plasma Cannons DO take skill. MAYBE you should try it BEFORE creating a thread complaining about it. But the skill that it requires to do good with it is what makes it a fun weapon. |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
237
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:37:00 -
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All rise, All hail AR, all hail AR 514. Go AR or go home. Flavor of the month is a conspiracy, AR is the flavor of the game. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Better Academy.
506
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:44:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:All rise, All hail AR, all hail AR 514. Go AR or go home. Flavor of the month is a conspiracy, AR is the flavor of the game.
*Rises* Hail AR all hail AR 514! Go AR or go home! |
Lillica Deathdealer
Mango and Friends
69
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:48:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:no one seems to have thought about what would happen when commandos are up on the roof with plasma cannons and mass drivers! The carnage!
Dude. dual plasma cannons, fully specced for reload speed and commando reload bonus, plus nanohives. |
Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:59:00 -
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So you mix the MD with the plasma cannon?
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