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Arc-08
Horizons' Edge
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.11 02:08:00 -
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The MD Splash damage is actually Laughable , even if the slaps damage radius is immense.
They need to score a direct hit in order to really damage you, That is unless you are a scout, they you are fd LOL.
But as you said , the problem is sometimes EVEN if you shoot first you get killed by them.
Well thats a problem with other weapons. It has happened to me with the HMG and A.Scram Rifle....
And yeah, you have to have perfect aim while they might spam, but that wont work everytime, live vs multiple enemies...
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i know people think MASS DRIVERS are OP, and they are right... sometimes
you have to think about wether they are in their element or not.
if you go up against a mass driver at point blank range you will 9.5/10 times win, but if they are at that perfect distance to arc their shots in over your cover, then they are deadly. |
KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
495
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Posted - 2013.08.11 02:26:00 -
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Arc-08 wrote:there are mainly 2 weapons in this game that are in need of serious love
1. Plasma Cannon
2. Burst AR
they are the two most underused and or underpowered weapons.
if there was a third it would be nova knifes, they are in need of a buff, but my corp master went 34/12 running just nova knifes (and like 4 grenade kills) so you can use nova knifes effectivly.
though imma go after your original post and say that forge guns are to over powered AGAINST DROPSHIPS, not against infantry or any of that other stuff, but the proto/adv ones are too effective against a dropship.
NO Forge guns are OK. Dropships need love. |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
249
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Posted - 2013.08.11 03:41:00 -
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I die by FG from time to time and considering it a big ball of death, well... I think it's fair. The exception would probably be the assault variant.... maybe.
KING CHECKMATE wrote:The MD Splash damage is actually Laughable , even if the splash damage radius is immense.
They need to score a direct hit in order to really damage you, That is unless you are a scout, they you are fd LOL.
lol Dude! I AM a scout XD
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST  . |
KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
496
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Posted - 2013.08.11 04:22:00 -
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ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:I die by FG from time to time and considering it a big ball of death, well... I think it's fair. The exception would probably be the assault variant.... maybe. KING CHECKMATE wrote:The MD Splash damage is actually Laughable , even if the splash damage radius is immense.
They need to score a direct hit in order to really damage you, That is unless you are a scout, they you are fd LOL.
lol Dude! I AM a scout XD
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .
HAHAHA ME 2 ! I play Scout and Heavy (i only use heavy if the enemy is abusing Vehicles)
My Mimja scout has 300 total HP ,so you know that any advanced/proto Mass driver can 1-2 shot ko me.
Im gonna be honest ,unless the MD user SEES me first, i usually win with my main, ishi SMG. (if hes alone that is >..>)
Then Again, Explosives ARE the way to deal with scouts since i can almost DODGE TAc AR and scram rifles shots at mid range (10.4 sprint speed)
BTW Updated the Post. BURST/BRC AR and plasma need love too. Agreed. |
DEZKA DIABLO
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.11 05:35:00 -
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ladwar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:ladwar wrote:please show on the doll where the nerf hammer touched you  -Scout suits -Shotgun -Nova knives -Stamina mechanics -Aim mechanics and now im scared the Hammer is going for my Forge gun or even worse! SMG D: scout are fine.. i still use them shotgun have gotten better nova knifes... deadly but useless in untrained hands wasn't that bad.. errr.... that last one was but that hit everyone.
Scouts are fine eh? You play drunk? |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1556
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Posted - 2013.08.11 05:42:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Mass drivers good? Yeah they are. so? AR are good? They are beast. So? same for SMG's, Forge guns and scrambler-rifles.... But SO WHAT? they are doing what they are supposed to do. KILL. What we need is a buff for the weapons that are not to the level of the good ones. AKA,Flaylocks might need a little buff. Plasma cannon needs a LOT of buffs one of them being a FASTER reload speed and faster projectile,breach SMG and weapons overall, Sniper rifle Head shot damage should ALWAYS be a 1HKo,Laser rifles need a sight and a little more damage bonus on their ''continuous fire perk'' ,Burst and BRCH AR's have never even seen competitive play because they are very bad compared to TAC or regular AR's,etc... So please CCP, ignore all the whining going around for once, and you'll see that when all weapons kill as they are intended the whining will be reduced. DO NOT pay attention to people QQ about how they got killed by 4 MD shooting at him at the same time and he couldn't get away. (LOL you dont say).Or that dude that was standing still and got a forge gun to the face, etc... Pay attention to the weapons that people are avoiding because they are just awful. Beside weapons , Scouts and Heavies need a buff,something to help them be able to compete with medium frames, and the Commando Suit needs more base HP and PG-CPU. I dont really like vehicles but compared to LAVs and HAVs , Dropships need some serious love. Also, Armor tankers need a buff,as it is the modules do NOT compare to the effectivness of shield modules that not only are more effective but dont hinder speed,something that is very Valuable in a FPS such as this one. Even if i read the whole thing there is NO way im going to explain this better so im just going to put the link here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87752There is a reason shield tanking is more seen in the battlefield than Armor tanking..... AND PLEASE, do something about LAV's . my 2 cents.
ARs are carried far too often. In pub matches they kill almost as much as 11 of the available 14 weapons in the game.
This is killing diversity, and makes most weapons borderline pointless and dumbs the game down.
Something needs to be done. I say nerf the AR. After that, sure, stop for a while. CCP seems like they've had no trouble nerfing weapons up to now, so no stopping just because it's most player's fav under the microscope.
A nerf to the AR is long overdue. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
606
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Posted - 2013.08.11 05:48:00 -
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agreed buster. agreed 1+ |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
494
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Posted - 2013.08.11 10:48:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Mass drivers good? Yeah they are. so? AR are good? They are beast. So? same for SMG's, Forge guns and scrambler-rifles.... But SO WHAT? they are doing what they are supposed to do. KILL. What we need is a buff for the weapons that are not to the level of the good ones. AKA,Flaylocks might need a little buff. Plasma cannon needs a LOT of buffs one of them being a FASTER reload speed and faster projectile,breach SMG and weapons overall, Sniper rifle Head shot damage should ALWAYS be a 1HKo,Laser rifles need a sight and a little more damage bonus on their ''continuous fire perk'' ,Burst and BRCH AR's have never even seen competitive play because they are very bad compared to TAC or regular AR's,etc... So please CCP, ignore all the whining going around for once, and you'll see that when all weapons kill as they are intended the whining will be reduced. DO NOT pay attention to people QQ about how they got killed by 4 MD shooting at him at the same time and he couldn't get away. (LOL you dont say).Or that dude that was standing still and got a forge gun to the face, etc... Pay attention to the weapons that people are avoiding because they are just awful. Beside weapons , Scouts and Heavies need a buff,something to help them be able to compete with medium frames, and the Commando Suit needs more base HP and PG-CPU. I dont really like vehicles but compared to LAVs and HAVs , Dropships need some serious love. Also, Armor tankers need a buff,as it is the modules do NOT compare to the effectivness of shield modules that not only are more effective but dont hinder speed,something that is very Valuable in a FPS such as this one. Even if i read the whole thing there is NO way im going to explain this better so im just going to put the link here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87752There is a reason shield tanking is more seen in the battlefield than Armor tanking..... AND PLEASE, do something about LAV's . my 2 cents.
while I agree you make a lot of sense I cant help but lol at the fact youre telling CCP not to nerf things and end with a request to nerf LAVs...just lol at that....
p.s. skill into AV and LAV are no longer trouble... I promise what they intend to already do to LAVs is gonna break them not balance them. |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
604
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Posted - 2013.08.11 11:27:00 -
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I don't think people realize this...
but the reason weapons get out of control is because the weapons that are supposed to be able to counter them aren't effective enough.
So the balance that's supposed to be in this game is broken because of underpowered weapons. |
KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
501
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Posted - 2013.08.11 18:57:00 -
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''while I agree you make a lot of sense I cant help but lol at the fact youre telling CCP not to nerf things and end with a request to nerf LAVs...just lol at that....
p.s. skill into AV and LAV are no longer trouble... I promise what they intend to already do to LAVs is gonna break them not balance them''
Well , they are not ''balanced'' right now.
Is a fact that beteewn mobility, High HP and damage resistance LAV's are still the ultimate Vehicle in this game. (Able to whistand a BREACH FORGE GUN plus AV grenade in less than 4 seconds...)
And everybody except murder taxi drivers agree.
There by, this is a general problem that must be issued, because the opinion is so biased that the point proves itself.
And my post is about not nerfing WEAPONS, thats why i put the other stuff under, you know, OTHER stuff XD
If you read my posts you'll see im an avid Vehicle hater XD , but good for you for noticing ....
@ Buster Friently
Buster , AR's are always gonna be the main weapon of choice because it serves well in different situations,while other are designed to excel in specific areas.
It is , and it will always be ''carried to often''. In every FPS.
What i think they need to do is to buff every weapon to AR level.
At the moment MASS DRIVERS are good BECAUSE of this. The Fight MD vs AR is pretty close and VERY dependant on the area they are being fought in.
Snipers and FGs dominate Ranged Battles as it should be, but fare poorly in CQ. AS IT SHOULD BE.(Same goes for TAC AR)
This kind of balance is what we need. And to be honest, i prefer to see a lot of powerful weapons , even if they end up being OP, than a LOT of useles ones... |
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Arc-08
Horizons' Edge
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:32:00 -
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funney cause my two favorite ar's are the breach and the burst, the two most underused assault rifles in the game XD... just don't nerf the burst again... ya know like the way you did last time, when they used to be boss if you could aim them. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
Test Friends Please Ignore
94
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Posted - 2013.08.12 02:34:00 -
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all we need is a bigger blast radius for the plasma cannon...maybe 5m?
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KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
505
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:08:00 -
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-I think The Burst AR needs to be adjusted to at least 5 Bullets per ''burst''. This way it will be compared to the Old Burst , which i agree and was beast (it was the only AR i've ever liked ) , but with 2 less bullets per burst and a little more damage.
-The Breach AR is actually decent, the problem is the RoF is just WAY too low. compared tho high RoF of the AR, not to mention the TAC Ar's and Burst, the breach RoF is way to low and the damage isnt just enough.
Or either more damage (To be able to Rival The TAC R1 Spam) or a little more RoF.
-On Plasma C:I think the best thing to do with the Plasma cannon ( after playing for a while with it, even making an alt to main it), is to GREATLY reduce the reload time. Also the projectile itself should be Faster. As it is, unless a vehicle is STILL is almost impossible to hit something 50mts or more. (LAV are impossible straight out XD).Also that weird Arc thing the plasma cannon has should be distance dependent. The first 100 Mts it should t exist, after 150-200 mts then the gravity should activate there by giving the projectile that arc effect... IMO that is. XD |
KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
520
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Posted - 2013.08.13 03:57:00 -
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Shameless bump for the post to be next to the ''QQ nerf this nerf that'' posts.... |
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