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Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 305	Posted - 2013.08.10 01:03:00 - [1] - Quote And increase SP rewards for participation. Makes AFKing pointless, and rewards players for actually playing the game. Simple.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 206	Posted - 2013.08.10 01:17:00 - [2] - Quote How about no? Afk can't be solved so easily. Removing passive isn't a good way to go because I'd you do what will happen to alts. Not everyone has time to grind... worse idea ever next to nerfing the nova knife.....
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 305	Posted - 2013.08.10 01:23:00 - [3] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: How about no? Afk can't be solved so easily. Removing passive isn't a good way to go because I'd you do what will happen to alts. Not everyone has time to grind... worse idea ever next to nerfing the nova knife..... You misunderstand. I'm not referring to the Passive SP you gain while logged out, only the Passive SP you gain while actually in-game, and increase the SP gained for participating to make up the difference. Players who actively participate and contribute to the battle will EARN SP for doing so, while those who AFK will gain nothing.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 208	Posted - 2013.08.10 01:30:00 - [4] - Quote Jaqen Morghalis wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: How about no? Afk can't be solved so easily. Removing passive isn't a good way to go because I'd you do what will happen to alts. Not everyone has time to grind... worse idea ever next to nerfing the nova knife..... You misunderstand. I'm not referring to the Passive SP you gain while logged out, only the Passive SP you gain while actually in-game, and increase the SP gained for participating to make up the difference. Players who actively participate and contribute to the battle will EARN SP for doing so, while those who AFK will gain nothing. Than who will I drop my lav on?
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 305	Posted - 2013.08.10 01:32:00 - [5] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Jaqen Morghalis wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: How about no? Afk can't be solved so easily. Removing passive isn't a good way to go because I'd you do what will happen to alts. Not everyone has time to grind... worse idea ever next to nerfing the nova knife..... You misunderstand. I'm not referring to the Passive SP you gain while logged out, only the Passive SP you gain while actually in-game, and increase the SP gained for participating to make up the difference. Players who actively participate and contribute to the battle will EARN SP for doing so, while those who AFK will gain nothing. Than who will I drop my lav on? Red-line snipers, of course!
gargantuise aaron Sanguine Knights 11	Posted - 2013.08.10 01:36:00 - [6] - Quote I'm all for removing passive battle sp as long as wp make more sp maybe2.5 times more
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 305	Posted - 2013.08.10 01:43:00 - [7] - Quote gargantuise aaron wrote: I'm all for removing passive battle sp as long as wp make more sp maybe2.5 times more Absolutely. Increase SP rewards for participation and contribution in battle, and stop rewarding players for hiding and doing nothing.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 210	Posted - 2013.08.10 02:08:00 - [8] - Quote Jaqen Morghalis wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Jaqen Morghalis wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: How about no? Afk can't be solved so easily. Removing passive isn't a good way to go because I'd you do what will happen to alts. Not everyone has time to grind... worse idea ever next to nerfing the nova knife..... You misunderstand. I'm not referring to the Passive SP you gain while logged out, only the Passive SP you gain while actually in-game, and increase the SP gained for participating to make up the difference. Players who actively participate and contribute to the battle will EARN SP for doing so, while those who AFK will gain nothing. Than who will I drop my lav on? Red-line snipers, of course! Nah I'd rather drop a nano hive by them so it shows up on the map.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2989	Posted - 2013.08.10 03:53:00 - [9] - Quote Jaqen Morghalis wrote: ...and increase SP rewards for participation. Makes AFKing pointless, and rewards players for actually playing the game. Simple. You realize those AFKers are gaining Active SP through what they do, right? You gain Passive whether you play or not, but it leaves you with a much lower SP income.
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 312	Posted - 2013.08.10 04:05:00 - [10] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Jaqen Morghalis wrote: ...and increase SP rewards for participation. Makes AFKing pointless, and rewards players for actually playing the game. Simple. You realize those AFKers are gaining Active SP through what they do, right? You gain Passive whether you play or not, but it leaves you with a much lower SP income. Ok, so I think maybe my terminology is a little off, then. Basically, I'm suggesting that the SP gained for simply being in the match be removed (what I referred to as "in-game passive") and increase the SP gain for kills, assists, hacks, repairs, revives, etc. Reward ACTIVE PARTICIPATION in a match, but not standing around AFKing, while retaining Passive SP gain ONLY when NOT involved in a match. Make sense?

Ferindar The Malevolent Monkey Militia 14	Posted - 2013.08.10 04:23:00 - [11] - Quote Also, if you want to give more incentive for people to win, add a flat 1000-1500 bonus SP just for winning. Right now, win or lose, play or afk, you get the same SP. I'd be in favor of removing the 5sp per second if WPs gave a LOT more than just 1sp per (2sp per for this so called "Double SP" week). But they'd also have to make War Points more easily earned, by more than just kills or Droplinks.
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 312	Posted - 2013.08.10 04:30:00 - [12] - Quote Ferindar wrote: Also, if you want to give more incentive for people to win, add a flat 1000-1500 bonus SP just for winning. Right now, win or lose, play or afk, you get the same SP. I'd be in favor of removing the 5sp per second if WPs gave a LOT more than just 1sp per (2sp per for this so called "Double SP" week). But they'd also have to make War Points more easily earned, by more than just kills or Droplinks. Good points. The important thing is that players should be rewarded for actually contibuting and participating, rather than for just showing up and doing nothing.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 74	Posted - 2013.08.10 05:32:00 - [13] - Quote is sp gained already based on wp gained in the battle?. or is that isk?
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 240	Posted - 2013.08.10 05:34:00 - [14] - Quote If a complicated and well developed WP system that included types of tactical maneuvering, position holding, defensive clone sacrifice, and many other elements then yes. Right now we only have Killing WPs & limited Logi WPs (thank you OB farming bastards for ruining a good thing). That's a horrible method for determining a persons combat usefulness.
Echoist Fenrir's Wolves RUST415 55	Posted - 2013.08.10 07:00:00 - [15] - Quote You know the easiest way to fix afking would be to make it so if your idle after spawning in you get kicked. Plain and simple, can't imagine anyone having a problem with this except the assholes who bring down their team by afking.
Ulysses Knapse Bojo's School of the Trades 465	Posted - 2013.08.10 08:24:00 - [16] - Quote With so many people misusing the term "passive", we should come up with a new term for actively being passive. I call it, actassive. Everyone will now have a new term for AFK SP. Actassive SP.
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 312	Posted - 2013.08.10 12:40:00 - [17] - Quote Echoist wrote: You know the easiest way to fix afking would be to make it so if your idle after spawning in you get kicked. Plain and simple, can't imagine anyone having a problem with this except the assholes who bring down their team by afking. There are still ways to circumvent this, though (rubber band on controller, etc).
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 312	Posted - 2013.08.10 12:46:00 - [18] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: If a complicated and well developed WP system that included types of tactical maneuvering, position holding, defensive clone sacrifice, and many other elements then yes. Right now we only have Killing WPs & limited Logi WPs (thank you OB farming bastards for ruining a good thing). That's a horrible method for determining a persons combat usefulness. Ideally, CCP would probably need to revisit and expand upon what constitutes participation, to include and more adequately reward supporting players, I agree.
The Robot Devil Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 830	Posted - 2013.08.10 13:30:00 - [19] - Quote Friendly fire in the MCC after 35 seconds and 2 minutes in the red
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 55	Posted - 2013.08.10 13:54:00 - [20] - Quote The reason they have so the way it is is that vets would be raking in the so every match, and noobs wouldn't get any since they don't have the gear to compete.

Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1432	Posted - 2013.08.10 17:05:00 - [21] - Quote Jaqen Morghalis wrote: ...and increase SP rewards for participation. Makes AFKing pointless, and rewards players for actually playing the game. Simple. If you mean Active SP passively gained during a match then yes this could be a way to go. Removing the passive type of SP, which I'm pretty sure you don't mean, wouldn't address the situation at all. Now that having been said keeping some "passive" gain from being in match is good for new players so they don't get beaten and then earn nothing on top of it. Considering how frustrating that could be,, and the stagnation it could cause in the game, a better solution might be to do the following Remove in match passive gains while a Merc is within the red zone Raise the "passive" in match gains for time spent outside the red zone back to its prior 5x level. This way new players still get solid earnings so long as they play but anyone who wants to "camp" a match has to do so somewhere that they can be found and shot by the opposing team. 0.02 ISK Cross
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 319	Posted - 2013.08.10 17:13:00 - [22] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Jaqen Morghalis wrote: ...and increase SP rewards for participation. Makes AFKing pointless, and rewards players for actually playing the game. Simple. If you mean Active SP passively gained during a match then yes this could be a way to go. Yes, this is EXACTLY what I'm referring to. Sorry, my original post wasn't as clear as I thought, and I had attempted to clarify in a subsequent post. I also mentioned that CCP would need to readdress what would constitute "active participation" so that new players would still earn rewards. The key point to take away from this, though, is that SP (and even ISK) rewards should be EARNED by the players, and not just freely handed out to everyone who just happens to show up, but make no effort whatsoever to contribute, or even play.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2430	Posted - 2013.08.10 17:15:00 - [23] - Quote Jaqen Morghalis wrote: ...and increase SP rewards for participation. Makes AFKing pointless, and rewards players for actually playing the game. Simple. Nah.. There's other ways to go about it.. This is a hatchet for something that needs a scalpel.
Tal-Rakken DUST University Ivy League 52	Posted - 2013.08.10 17:20:00 - [24] - Quote I like cross' approach of removing the sp gain in the red zones only as that would require the least amount of change in the mechanic if a bit more involved on the coding side. If ccp does fully remove the passive gain they would have to add another way for newer players to rack in the skill points as wp only based would severely lopside sp gain to the better players only.
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 321	Posted - 2013.08.10 17:21:00 - [25] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Jaqen Morghalis wrote: ...and increase SP rewards for participation. Makes AFKing pointless, and rewards players for actually playing the game. Simple. Nah.. There's other ways to go about it.. This is a hatchet for something that needs a scalpel. Would you care to elaborate? Do you know of a better solution, that both rewards participation and teamwork, while discouraging AFKing? I'd be happy to hear it.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1433	Posted - 2013.08.10 17:22:00 - [26] - Quote Here's the somewhat refined version of my take on this, thanks OP for sparking this idea (linked in case you care to comment on my variation on this theme).


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