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GATQS
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.08.09 05:41:00 -
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I cant see why an HAV that only has one more slot, a little more zoom and damage than a standard needs to cost 1,227,000 compared to 200,000. Why is it priced like that espcially when it has less shields,armor, pg and cpu than std? CCP please make sense of this and atleast reduce the price to ~650,000 ISK. |
Ulysses Knapse
Bojo's School of the Trades
461
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:02:00 -
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CCP thought it was a good idea to make Advanced the equivalent to Tech II in cost but not in usage.
Who are we to argue? |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
402
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:24:00 -
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250k not more, surely 1.2kk is not an acceptable price |
GATQS
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
49
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Posted - 2013.08.09 17:38:00 -
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Damn right, they would be useful if they had a range bonus for rails instead of blasters and missiles (with a 55% price reduction), because the way the bonuses work are to medium or short range which is against the vehicle's description. |
Ren Ratner
Infinite Raiders
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:15:00 -
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Is the zoom the ONLY thing they have going for them? I haven't looked into Enforcers since I still have a massive skill gap before even considering skilling into them. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
222
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:23:00 -
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GATQS wrote:I cant see why an HAV that only has one more slot, a little more zoom and damage than a standard needs to cost 1,227,000 compared to 200,000. Why is it priced like that espcially when it has less shields,armor, pg and cpu than std? CCP please make sense of this and atleast reduce the price to ~650,000 ISK.
Eve style. You pay double the price for something that's 20% better. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
1097
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:24:00 -
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Ren Ratner wrote:Is the zoom the ONLY thing they have going for them? I haven't looked into Enforcers since I still have a massive skill gap before even considering skilling into them.
just read the skill.
back to op
price=bad
have you tried the idea of coping dropsuits for price basic cost more then tech 2 of the same thing IE light frames cost more then scout frames. even on the commando its not 6X the cost for the suit. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
1097
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Posted - 2013.08.09 19:24:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:GATQS wrote:I cant see why an HAV that only has one more slot, a little more zoom and damage than a standard needs to cost 1,227,000 compared to 200,000. Why is it priced like that espcially when it has less shields,armor, pg and cpu than std? CCP please make sense of this and atleast reduce the price to ~650,000 ISK. Eve style. You pay double the price for something that's 2% better.
fixed for dust realism. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
408
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:08:00 -
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i recently specced into enforcer HAV but i didn't watched all the stats before do it, here a quik view of pro and cons:
PRO
- bonus on turrets
- 1 more high o low (depending on HAV)
CONS
- Insane price
- insane speed penalty
- less PG/CPU
- less base eHP
- abtract AVers 10x (pointless but true)
According to this list, i request a price reduction, Enforcers should cost 200k as their STD counterparts because all the pro they have are obscured by the cons. |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:53:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Eve style. You pay double the price for something that's 20% better.
Eve style price without Eve levels of income. It doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it. You can't even fit anything decent on those higher priced buggers! Barely enough pg/CPU on the regulars so how do they expect LESS to work?
Ps that 20,000 isk swarm took out yer 1,300,000 ISK tank In 4 hits.
Programmers rely on math to do what they do... And when they blatantly reveal that they have no concept of price relevance... Which is an incredibly basic form of math...you have to wonder... |
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
411
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Posted - 2013.08.14 08:57:00 -
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back to the top |
GATQS
Valor Coalition
RISE of LEGION
57
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Posted - 2013.09.14 22:05:00 -
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This is bad CCP, will Enforcer prices be fixed in 1.5 because you've said nothing since i posted this and there is no hint elsewhere. Guess increasing a heavies turn speed is more important than this. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
Test Friends Please Ignore
360
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Posted - 2013.09.14 23:10:00 -
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i think ccp wanted it this way..for the enforcer havs to redline snipe..
they rnt designed for frontline combat...
so if u bring it into range within av u deserve to lose that amount in isk....
especially in a pub match...
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
638
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Posted - 2013.09.15 09:40:00 -
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The problem is that enforcers are worse than STD versions, people use them only for the 3rd slot, they should cost as the STD counterpart or less.
Why do specialistic dropsuits cost 1/2 of their basic frame counterpart and enforcers cost 6x? |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.15 09:55:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:250k not more, surely 1.2kk is not an acceptable price
Eve rule: 20% better means 100% more expensive. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
638
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Posted - 2013.09.15 10:06:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Eve rule: 20% better means 100% more expensive.
According to how enforcers costs, dropsuit cost should be like this:
medium frame STD dropsuit: 6800 Isk
specialistic frame STD dropsuit: 40800 Isk >>>market value 3000 Isk
medium frame ADV dropsuit: 14280 Isk
specialistic frame ADV dropsuit: 85680 Isk >>>market value 8040 Isk
medium frame PRO dropsuit: 62960 Isk
specialistic frame PRO dropsuit: 377760 Isk >>>market value 57690 Isk
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Bhavesh Prajapat
1st legion The Dark Angels
32
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Posted - 2013.09.15 11:01:00 -
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+1 |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
894
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Posted - 2013.09.15 13:10:00 -
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GATQS wrote:Damn right, they would be useful if they had a range bonus for rails instead of blasters and missiles (with a 55% price reduction), because the way the bonuses work are to medium or short range which is against the vehicle's description.
If CCP had done it that way, they would have made a class of tanks that would have been used exclusively for rail sniping from the redline. Thank god they didn't make that mistake. The last thing the game needs is yet another player scrubbing it up in the redline playing peek a boo.
With that said, enforcers do need a price reduction, but people also need to get on the teamwork tip. A Vayu and a Charybdis can be very powerful when used together. Same thing with a Flachion, although the lesser turret depression makes this a risky idea when you are trying to get in close. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
970
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Posted - 2013.09.15 17:28:00 -
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In my oppinion the only enforcer thats worth its salt (not isk) is the falchion as it has an extra low slot allowing another pg upgrade this allows you to fit proto turrets and tank it like you have adv turrets. They are highly situational tanks and are really only good for medium to long range . The xt missiles on a fully specked falchion will rip most thing appart and can provide some excelent area denial by spamming missiles. I do run my falchions with all turret tyoes but really faxour xt frags. I also support a price reduction. What I keep telling folks is not to treat them like the maureders and use them to support the back lines and home objective. |
The-Errorist
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
205
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Posted - 2013.09.15 20:42:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:GATQS wrote:I cant see why an HAV that only has one more slot, a little more zoom and damage than a standard needs to cost 1,227,000 compared to 200,000. Why is it priced like that espcially when it has less shields,armor, pg and cpu than std? CCP please make sense of this and atleast reduce the price to ~650,000 ISK. Eve style. You pay double the price for something that's 20% better.
Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:shaman oga wrote:250k not more, surely 1.2kk is not an acceptable price Eve rule: 20% better means 100% more expensive.
1.2kk is roughly 500% more expensive than 250k, not 100%. The price does NOT follow EVE. |
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
662
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Posted - 2013.09.15 20:46:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:GATQS wrote:I cant see why an HAV that only has one more slot, a little more zoom and damage than a standard needs to cost 1,227,000 compared to 200,000. Why is it priced like that espcially when it has less shields,armor, pg and cpu than std? CCP please make sense of this and atleast reduce the price to ~650,000 ISK. Eve style. You pay double the price for something that's 20% better.
It's not better at all. That's the problem dipshit. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
662
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Posted - 2013.09.15 20:47:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Eve style. You pay double the price for something that's 20% better. Eve style price without Eve levels of income. It doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it. You can't even fit anything decent on those higher priced buggers! Barely enough pg/CPU on the regulars so how do they expect LESS to work? Ps that 20,000 isk swarm took out yer 2,300,000 ISK tank In 4 hits. Programmers rely on math to do what they do... And when they blatantly reveal that they have no concept of price relevance... Which is an incredibly basic form of math...you have to wonder...
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