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Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.08.09 04:45:00 -
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There have been little signs of a pattern like this for some time, even leaving out the Matari experience entirely. Apparently it's considered politically gauche in the Federation to point out that the Caldari are still a member-race of the Federation on account of there being several ethnically Caldari member nations still within it.
It seems that if people make some judgments on the basis of race, they will make other judgments on the basis of race. Perhaps that's just true of everybody, though.... |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1090
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Posted - 2013.08.09 05:12:00 -
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Interesting news as always. |
steadyhand amarr
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.09 07:47:00 -
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This shocks noone in the empire. At were straight up and everybody knows where u stand |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:51:00 -
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Is anybody surprised? I will leave this here http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=971417 |
Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:01:00 -
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This is truly unfortunate. But these are, in fact, reports. They bare being investigated and if there is is indeed racism, it will be dealt, swiftly and surely. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1162
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Posted - 2013.08.10 22:06:00 -
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Xavier Hastings wrote:This is truly unfortunate. But these are, in fact, reports. They bare being investigated and if there is is indeed racism, it will be dealt, swiftly and surely. Spoken like a true politician, but may I remind you it is not exactly like this is an isolated incident. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.08.10 22:42:00 -
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Xavier Hastings wrote:This is truly unfortunate. But these are, in fact, reports. They bare being investigated and if there is is indeed racism, it will be dealt, swiftly and surely. How soldier when these people have freedom of expression and freedom of speech.
Would you impeach upon their rights Gallentean?
You chose to follow the tenets of your "freedom", you gave those tenets to the Minmatar when your people exploited them to weaken our empire, and now you reap what you have sown as the volatility of the Matari becomes apparent to you. |
Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:12:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Xavier Hastings wrote:This is truly unfortunate. But these are, in fact, reports. They bare being investigated and if there is is indeed racism, it will be dealt, swiftly and surely. How soldier when these people have freedom of expression and freedom of speech. Would you impeach upon their rights Gallentean? You chose to follow the tenets of your "freedom", you gave those tenets to the Minmatar when your people exploited them to weaken our empire, and now you reap what you have sown as the volatility of the Matari becomes apparent to you. There is a line between Discrimination and Freedom of Speech. As I have said before, my rights end where it impedes on another's. However, where this line is drawn is up to us as a people to decide, not by me in a summit of nations.
Exploited? Ha, I could say the same to you! By all means, the Amarr could be using Religion as a tool to keep slavery alive and well!
But, this is not so. I fear that you people actually believe what you are saying. That your religion clouds your judgement. The fact the you look down on the Gallente for some reports of discrimination is quite hypocritical. The fact that you enslave the Minmatar and Minmatar only is racism of discrimination at it's finest, no matter what a book says. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:16:00 -
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Xavier Hastings wrote:True Adamance wrote:Xavier Hastings wrote:This is truly unfortunate. But these are, in fact, reports. They bare being investigated and if there is is indeed racism, it will be dealt, swiftly and surely. How soldier when these people have freedom of expression and freedom of speech. Would you impeach upon their rights Gallentean? You chose to follow the tenets of your "freedom", you gave those tenets to the Minmatar when your people exploited them to weaken our empire, and now you reap what you have sown as the volatility of the Matari becomes apparent to you. There is a line between Discrimination and Freedom of Speech. As I have said before, my rights end where it impedes on another's. However, where this line is drawn is up to us as a people to decide, not by me in a summit of nations. Exploited? Ha, I could say the same to you! By all means, the Amarr could be using Religion as a tool to keep slavery alive and well! But, this is not so. I fear that you people actually believe what you are saying. That your religion clouds your judgement. The fact the you look down on the Gallente for some reports of discrimination is quite hypocritical. The fact that you enslave the Minmatar and Minmatar only is racism of discrimination at it's finest, no matter what a book says.
You don't understand slavery. The Amarr do not make profit from it in the sense you believe us to.
We take our slaves, as I have said, and make them toil in the name of God. They then come to understand and sympathise with the theological teachings we grace them with. We do not hate or discriminate against the Matari either, they are children to us, children who must be guided down a righteous path.
As for you jab at the scriptures. We do not adhere to the teaching of a book. We adhere to the teaching of our God and our ancestors, for they graced us with the words we hold to be truths. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1167
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:30:00 -
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Xavier Hastings wrote:True Adamance wrote:Xavier Hastings wrote:This is truly unfortunate. But these are, in fact, reports. They bare being investigated and if there is is indeed racism, it will be dealt, swiftly and surely. How soldier when these people have freedom of expression and freedom of speech. Would you impeach upon their rights Gallentean? You chose to follow the tenets of your "freedom", you gave those tenets to the Minmatar when your people exploited them to weaken our empire, and now you reap what you have sown as the volatility of the Matari becomes apparent to you. There is a line between Discrimination and Freedom of Speech. As I have said before, my rights end where it impedes on another's. However, where this line is drawn is up to us as a people to decide, not by me in a summit of nations. Exploited? Ha, I could say the same to you! By all means, the Amarr could be using Religion as a tool to keep slavery alive and well! But, this is not so. I fear that you people actually believe what you are saying. That your religion clouds your judgement. The fact the you look down on the Gallente for some reports of discrimination is quite hypocritical. The fact that you enslave the Minmatar and Minmatar only is racism of discrimination at it's finest, no matter what a book says. As Adamance has stated, we have no benefit in keeping slavery alive for the sake of slavery. We also do not discriminate against the Minmatar, we teach them and care for them. And lastly the Minmatar are not the first to go through such servitude, they are not the only ones presently, and they are not the only ones who will be freed. Perhaps you should read a few more books before making a fool of yourself. |
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Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD
311
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:27:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
You don't understand slavery. The Amarr do not make profit from it in the sense you believe us to.
We take our slaves, as I have said, and make them toil in the name of God. They then come to understand and sympathise with the theological teachings we grace them with. We do not hate or discriminate against the Matari either, they are children to us, children who must be guided down a righteous path.
As for you jab at the scriptures. We do not adhere to the teaching of a book. We adhere to the teaching of our God and our ancestors, for they graced us with the words we hold to be truths.
Oh, Adamance! I pity you! Can you not read? I understand what you do! I know why you are doing it. Not for profit! I specifically said that you didn't! You do it for religious reasons.
They sympathize with you? Ha! Sounds like a serious case of Stockholm Syndrome to me.
And the scriptures! The scriptures are what you have to make your God known to you! He is not unfalsifiable. His properties are written down in that book.
Aero Yassavi wrote:As Adamance has stated, we have no benefit in keeping slavery alive for the sake of slavery. We also do not discriminate against the Minmatar, we teach them and care for them. And lastly the Minmatar are not the first to go through such servitude, they are not the only ones presently, and they are not the only ones who will be freed. Perhaps you should read a few more books before making a fool of yourself. This is getting futile. I was talking the the present, Yassavi. I was talking a bout the present, and you know that. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1190
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Posted - 2013.08.11 22:12:00 -
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Xavier Hastings wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:As Adamance has stated, we have no benefit in keeping slavery alive for the sake of slavery. We also do not discriminate against the Minmatar, we teach them and care for them. And lastly the Minmatar are not the first to go through such servitude, they are not the only ones presently, and they are not the only ones who will be freed. Perhaps you should read a few more books before making a fool of yourself. This is getting futile. I was talking the the present, Yassavi. I was talking a bout the present, and you know that. You shout at Adamance claiming he did not read, yet it is you who do not. Understand that you are incorrected and that there are other races presently in servitude to the Amarr Empire, as I have previously stated. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1160
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Posted - 2013.08.11 22:58:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Xavier Hastings wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:As Adamance has stated, we have no benefit in keeping slavery alive for the sake of slavery. We also do not discriminate against the Minmatar, we teach them and care for them. And lastly the Minmatar are not the first to go through such servitude, they are not the only ones presently, and they are not the only ones who will be freed. Perhaps you should read a few more books before making a fool of yourself. This is getting futile. I was talking the the present, Yassavi. I was talking a bout the present, and you know that. You shout at Adamance claiming he did not read, yet it is you who do not. Understand that you are incorrected and that there are other races presently in servitude to the Amarr Empire, as I have previously stated. Unfortunately I always assume people know enough about those they argue against to do me justice. |
Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD
311
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:13:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Xavier Hastings wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:As Adamance has stated, we have no benefit in keeping slavery alive for the sake of slavery. We also do not discriminate against the Minmatar, we teach them and care for them. And lastly the Minmatar are not the first to go through such servitude, they are not the only ones presently, and they are not the only ones who will be freed. Perhaps you should read a few more books before making a fool of yourself. This is getting futile. I was talking the the present, Yassavi. I was talking a bout the present, and you know that. You shout at Adamance claiming he did not read, yet it is you who do not. Understand that you are incorrected and that there are other races presently in servitude to the Amarr Empire, as I have previously stated. Oh? Forgive me then, I am the first to admit when I have said something wrong. |
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