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ZDub 303 wrote:

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

gbghg wrote:

ZDub 303 wrote:

I don't think anything will happen... know why?

Aurum gear.

Its meant to be the primary monetization model in this game, I can't imagine they will ever get rid of tiers.

I came to the same conclusion before I made the original post, but I thought it better to try and fail (be ignored) than to not try at all. And I seriously didn't expect to get anywhere near as much community support as I did, I expected my thread to be invaded by hordes of proto bears decrying my idea.

Your point being?

They already have AURUM suits at the Prototype level, and like I said in my post, you can just remove the lower tiers and use the bonuses to provide progression.

If you had to, you could knock the MAG suits back to the Frame suit that has matching bonuses.

What would be the point of aurum gear if you unlocked all gear at level 1?

Also... what would be the point of SP (and boosters) if the different between 12k in a module and 600k for level 5 is a small bonus?

I'm not trying to be a **** here, just curious. Need to think about monetization every time you make a change, if this was a subscription based game then anything goes, but its not.


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Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2962	Posted - 2013.08.09 04:39:00 - [1] - Quote Basically, you only have role based suits, no Meta level progression. That way everyone gets the same suit no matter the skill level, but you get more bonuses for that skill based on your skill level. Meta levels for gear would be kept, in order to support more options in fitting.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2970	Posted - 2013.08.09 17:46:00 - [2] - Quote Effectively, just like getting Frigate skill in EVE, as soon as you get level 1 you have access to a wide range of basic Frame suits that all have bonuses to enhance their performance per level of their skill. These different versions of the same suit would have at least a few that mirror all available specialist suits, but with less capability, such that a new player or someone who wants to save ISK can use one of those suits. The ONLY thing that you get from increasing the level of the suit skill is more bonus to the suit. There are NO higher meta levels of suits. Specialist suits would be the same as they are now, except that they would have the whole STD->ADV->PRO tier system removed, and it would just be the one suit with a set of bonuses that get better the more levels you have in that skill. Theoretically, you could just eliminate the STD and ADV tiers and have the suits all sit at the current PRO tier with the new bonus system to provide progression without the excessive power-creep we have right now. Oh, and all Frame suits should be less expensive than Specialist suits. This way the Frame suits remain a less capable but still usable option for players that want to run more cheap fits to make ISK, for instance. Meanwhile, the Specialist suits would now receive bonuses both from the Frame suit skill and the Specialist skill. This way you can leave your Frame skill at level 3 to have your Specialist suit, and those who already have them will in fact receive three levels worth of the Frame bonus automatically, but you still have the option of either keeping that
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2972	Posted - 2013.08.09 17:54:00 - [3] - Quote gbghg wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: I don't think anything will happen... know why? Aurum gear. Its meant to be the primary monetization model in this game, I can't imagine they will ever get rid of tiers. I came to the same conclusion before I made the original post, but I thought it better to try and fail (be ignored) than to not try at all. And I seriously didn't expect to get anywhere near as much community support as I did, I expected my thread to be invaded by hordes of proto bears decrying my idea. Your point being? They already have AURUM suits at the Prototype level, and like I said in my post, you can just remove the lower tiers and use the bonuses to provide progression. If you had to, you could knock the MAG suits back to the Frame suit that has matching bonuses.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2974	Posted - 2013.08.09 19:18:00 - [4] - Quote Colonel Killar wrote: gbghg wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: gbghg wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: I don't think anything will happen... know why? Aurum gear. Its meant to be the primary monetization model in this game, I can't imagine they will ever get rid of tiers. I came to the same conclusion before I made the original post, but I thought it better to try and fail (be ignored) than to not try at all. And I seriously didn't expect to get anywhere near as much community support as I did, I expected my thread to be invaded by hordes of proto bears decrying my idea. Your point being? They already have AURUM suits at the Prototype level, and like I said in my post, you can just remove the lower tiers and use the bonuses to provide progression. If you had to, you could knock the MAG suits back to the Frame suit that has matching bonuses. Frankly I'm not overly fussed about my idea being implemented word for word so to speak, something like your idea which eliminates the power creep and ridiculous artificial limit between tiers would be good. Power Creep? Any gear lower than the highest level is just a stepping stone to get to that level. Basically means that anything lower than Proto isn't worth using unless you need more ISK, and the Frame suits are useless period.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2974	Posted - 2013.08.09 19:28:00 - [5] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Basically means that anything lower than Proto isn't worth using unless you need more ISK, and the Frame suits are useless period. Okay That's with the way the assets are set up now, is what I'm saying.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2976	Posted - 2013.08.09 19:59:00 - [6] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: gbghg wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: I don't think anything will happen... know why? Aurum gear. Its meant to be the primary monetization model in this game, I can't imagine they will ever get rid of tiers. I came to the same conclusion before I made the original post, but I thought it better to try and fail (be ignored) than to not try at all. And I seriously didn't expect to get anywhere near as much community support as I did, I expected my thread to be invaded by hordes of proto bears decrying my idea. Your point being? They already have AURUM suits at the Prototype level, and like I said in my post, you can just remove the lower tiers and use the bonuses to provide progression. If you had to, you could knock the MAG suits back to the Frame suit that has matching bonuses. What would be the point of aurum gear if you unlocked all gear at level 1? Also... what would be the point of SP (and boosters) if the different between 12k in a module and 600k for level 5 is a small bonus? I'm not trying to be a **** here, just curious. Need to think about monetization every time you make a change, if this was a subscription based game then anything goes, but its not. Right now, the AURUM Proto suits are equivalent, but have different paint schemes. You can use them with one level less of the suit skill, but that can be compensated for under my proposal by, say, giving them a different bonus set to make them equivalent to level 4 of the Frame skill, for instance.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3038	Posted - 2013.08.11 18:04:00 - [7] - Quote Also, again, the idea is to have SUITS have no tiers, not weapons. In this one case, we want to use EVE Online as a model. The ships are all useful on their own now, rather than you just using some as stepping stones to get to others and then never touching them again. However, meta levels for gear are essential to the fitting mechanic. If all we had was PRO equivalent gear, trying to be a top-level Logistics player would be impossible because you'd run out of fitting. With meta levels on modules and weapons, you could fit Complex equipment and modules while using STD level weapons to free up more CPU and PG.