Snipe them, that's my option number 1.

of course it's always my option number 1.

1) guy running at you with AR.....snipe them

2) heavy 15 feet in front of you....snipe them

3) mass driver firing at you from the roof.....snipe them


the list goes on.

Or just, you know... shoot them? From a distance perferrablMass drivers are cqc weapons, so using one that isn't a cqc weapon in a non cqc area will probably be the best counter.

Or just, you know... shoot them? From a distance perferrablMass drivers are cqc weapons, so using one that isn't a cqc weapon in a non cqc area will probably be the best counter.

That can be number 7!

How about a tactic for when they are in CQ? This is typically how they are utilized.

I'm being sincere with this thread. I rather see a discussion of tactics over more nerf threads.

I thought this weapon was designed as a area denial weapon? Wouldn't it be bad at denying a area if it's a CQC? Then again it explains alot why it's being used alot like a jumpy-shotgun where you don't actually need to be accurate with your aiming. Oooh if only there was friendlly fire.

I just charge the dude. Most of the time it works and the idiot does suicide.

Besides Melee there is nothing a Logi can do if you do this, especially in the city.

"Don't panic captain manering,,,, they don't like it up em "

I would say don't run away and don't back away its much easier for the mass guy to land a shot if he know where u are going to pop out . The best way i find to deal with them is to aim as much as possible and take them out ASAP .

Keep changing the distance at which you are fighting. Move out then in, then out. Unlike other guns, left and right strafing do little to help.

Snipe them, that's my option number 1.

of course it's always my option number 1.

1) guy running at you with AR.....snipe them

2) heavy 15 feet in front of you....snipe them

3) mass driver firing at you from the roof.....snipe them


the list goes on.

You're just a friggin best with sniper! Best in game I believe!

I've very rarely found myself on the receiving end of the MD aside from swarm situations where my team's dead and I'm being closed in on by 4+ people... but at that point the precise manner of death is largely irrelevant.

This is probably a matter of how I approach battles. I establish where the most likely 'source' of hostiles is, look at where my allies are at then segment the surrounding environment into threatened areas, protected areas, obscured approaches, escape routes and by degree of cover (walls, waist-height cover, elevation etc).

MDs are dangerous because they can capitalise on positions of power and squad support. You can eliminate that first strength by playing to your environment. To fight against the second strength requires positioning and reach with which to engage parts of the group without their shorter range members being able to immediately retaliate. Forge Guns or Laser Rifles can work here very well. Maybe Tac ARs too but I have no experience with that weapon category.

Alternately, blitzing. If there's a prolonged fight between your side and theirs sneaking around successfully then hammering their frontline in CQC can be the catalyst that enables everyone else to push forward. Shotgun is the traditional weapon choice but I also have a gimmicky speed-fitted HMG Heavy which has proven successful. Even if I do show up on radar everyone always expects a scout or something until they actually see me.

I've very rarely found myself on the receiving end of the MD aside from swarm situations where my team's dead and I'm being closed in on by 4+ people... but at that point the precise manner of death is largely irrelevant.

This is probably a matter of how I approach battles. I establish where the most likely 'source' of hostiles is, look at where my allies are at then segment the surrounding environment into threatened areas, protected areas, obscured approaches, escape routes and by degree of cover (walls, waist-height cover, elevation etc).

MDs are dangerous because they can capitalise on positions of power and squad support. You can eliminate that first strength by playing to your environment. To fight against the second strength requires positioning and reach with which to engage parts of the group without their shorter range members being able to immediately retaliate. Forge Guns or Laser Rifles can work here very well. Maybe Tac ARs too but I have no experience with that weapon category.

Alternately, blitzing. If there's a prolonged fight between your side and theirs sneaking around successfully then hammering their frontline in CQC can be the catalyst that enables everyone else to push forward. Shotgun is the traditional weapon choice but I also have a gimmicky speed-fitted HMG Heavy which has proven successful. Even if I do show up on radar everyone always expects a scout or something until they actually see me.

like the guy above you said, rush um. as a mass driving scout i can tell you this works surprisingly well

Make sure to have a dampner module equipped. It helps if he doesn't know you're headed his way.

That can be number 7!

How about a tactic for when they are in CQ? This is typically how they are utilized.

I'm being sincere with this thread. I rather see a discussion of tactics over more nerf threads.

Dampiners only work on active scanners passive is jacked in a lot of ways so they'll still have a chance to see you no mater your profile

Tactics to counter the MD.

Editing to include:

Knowing how a weapon works also helps for you to understand appropriate counters -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Rty2WCARRmI&t=41

Study it's HUD, gain insights on what the other player is working with.

He makes a good point in this video; 'It's a bit of a terror weapon." This is inherently true. The shaking effects, your entire hit indicator lighting up along with the smoke/noise are all psychological. Don't panic.

1) Run away.

2) Duck, cover, flank (can also include number 1 with this tactic)

3) Grenades?

4) Multiple point assaults coordinated with your team, aiming for optimal firing outside the splash radius for at least one squad member while the other attempts to bunnyhop/strafe/dance/meatshield distract.

5) For the love of everything holy, stop clustering in groups. Clustering makes it difficult to retreat. Clustering means death. Spread out, people. You're more useful alive.

6) I guess you could join the MCC afkers. First match today; 4 in the MCC. :(

7) Shoot them with medium/long range/snipers!

8) Charge them (Proceed at Own Risk)

9) Gain the high ground when possible.

10) Change the distance of attack; advance, retreat.

11) Count the number of shells they are firing at you; they have 6/8. Attack when they reload, if you're still alive.