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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
456
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:16:00 -
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THIS IS NOT A DOUBLE SP EVENT. You have been lied to.
Only SP from WPs are double, but those are minimal in comparison to the passive gains. A typical skirmish match with about 1000 WPs gains me around 5000 SP. Good job CCP, now I get 6000 SP for the same performance. I request you to increase passive SP gains as well to make this a true double SP event.
Rather than discouraging AFK farming, you are encouraging it and WP farming. People will be less inclined to play almost twice as many games to reach the doubled cap. I can assure you that people will effectively farm WPs to gain the most out of this.
Double passive SP gains as well. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
950
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:29:00 -
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Yea its gonna take forever to reach the SP cap. I think the whole purpose of the SP events is to see how they are going to change the SP system to make playing more rewarding, and AFKing less rewarding. One can only dream  |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
59
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Posted - 2013.08.06 15:23:00 -
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umm.... its double the active sp per battle...
copy and pasted from CCP
"Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points."
meaning you will get 10,000+ per battle... sooo it will take the same amount of time as normal to cap, but you get twice as much, just like the last double SP event |
Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
458
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Posted - 2013.08.06 15:28:00 -
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Stands Alone wrote:umm.... its double the active sp per battle...
copy and pasted from CCP
"Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points."
meaning you will get 10,000+ per battle... sooo it will take the same amount of time as normal to cap, but you get twice as much, just like the last double SP event
If you read carefully, the passive SP gain (5WP/s) during battles is NOT doubled. You get 2SP/WP with the double event. And how often do you get 2k+ WPs per battle?
I would have AFK-farmed if I could because I won't waste my time playing almost twice as much to cap out. Instead WP farming sounds a lot nicer. |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
60
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Posted - 2013.08.06 15:32:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:Stands Alone wrote:umm.... its double the active sp per battle...
copy and pasted from CCP
"Active skill point gain is doubled! Your warpoints earned during the match will be doubled when it is converted into skill points."
meaning you will get 10,000+ per battle... sooo it will take the same amount of time as normal to cap, but you get twice as much, just like the last double SP event If you read carefully, the passive SP gain (5SP/s) during battles is NOT doubled. You get 2SP/WP with the double event. And how often do you get 2k+ WPs per battle? I would have AFK-farmed if I could because I won't waste my time playing almost twice as much to cap out. Instead WP farming sounds a lot nicer.
you dont have to play twice as much... your active SP per battle is doubled... so even if they set the cap twice as high, you get twice as much per battle... making the cap just as easy to hit as a normal SP.... meaning when i normally get 4000-6000 SP... i will now get 8000-12000 SP
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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
458
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:23:00 -
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Don't confuse the passive SP gained in a battle (5SP/1s) with normal passive SP (1SP/3.6s)
The passive SP gained in battle is NOT being doubled. Since passive SP is majority of your SP reward, your 4000-6000 turns into ~5000-~8000. |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
60
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:28:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:Don't confuse the passive SP gained in a battle (5SP/1s) with normal passive SP (1SP/3.6s) The passive SP gained in battle is NOT being doubled. Since passive SP is majority of your SP reward, your 4000-6000 turns into ~5000-~8000.
i dont know if you played last double SP event... but i dont think i ever got less then 9500 even when we got proto-stomped...
guess you shouldnt AFK then
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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
458
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:38:00 -
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Stands Alone wrote:Harpyja wrote:Don't confuse the passive SP gained in a battle (5SP/1s) with normal passive SP (1SP/3.6s) The passive SP gained in battle is NOT being doubled. Since passive SP is majority of your SP reward, your 4000-6000 turns into ~5000-~8000. i dont know if you played last double SP event... but i dont think i ever got less then 9500 even when we got proto-stomped... guess you shouldnt AFK then
Just read the Dev post... It's not a true 2x event... |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
62
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:39:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:Stands Alone wrote:Harpyja wrote:Don't confuse the passive SP gained in a battle (5SP/1s) with normal passive SP (1SP/3.6s) The passive SP gained in battle is NOT being doubled. Since passive SP is majority of your SP reward, your 4000-6000 turns into ~5000-~8000. i dont know if you played last double SP event... but i dont think i ever got less then 9500 even when we got proto-stomped... guess you shouldnt AFK then Just read the Dev post... It's not a true 2x event...
sucky week to be AFK farming |
Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
459
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:57:00 -
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Stands Alone wrote:Harpyja wrote:Stands Alone wrote:Harpyja wrote:Don't confuse the passive SP gained in a battle (5SP/1s) with normal passive SP (1SP/3.6s) The passive SP gained in battle is NOT being doubled. Since passive SP is majority of your SP reward, your 4000-6000 turns into ~5000-~8000. i dont know if you played last double SP event... but i dont think i ever got less then 9500 even when we got proto-stomped... guess you shouldnt AFK then Just read the Dev post... It's not a true 2x event... sucky week to be AFK farming
When did I ever say I was going to AFK? I've never AFK'ed actually. I'm just saying that I would've AFK'ed for this event had it not been frowned upon. But as I said, WP farming sounds nicer. |
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Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:59:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:
Rather than discouraging AFK farming, you are encouraging it and WP farming. People will be less inclined to play almost twice as many games to reach the doubled cap. I can assure you that people will effectively farm WPs to gain the most out of this.
This is actually a good point. Double the cap, but not doubling the SP gain. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1488
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:02:00 -
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What they should have done is changed the gain from 5 SP/s to 2 SP/s and 1 SP/WP to 6-8 SP/WP, with a doubled cap.
THAT is how you discourage afk farming. |
Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
459
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:06:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:What they should have done is changed the gain from 5 SP/s to 2 SP/s and 1 SP/WP to 6-8 SP/WP, with a doubled cap.
THAT is how you discourage afk farming.
I actually thought about that myself but there's a big problem: WP farming. 3k+ WPs should be rather easy to farm, and at that SP/WP rate you'd get at least 18k SP. |
Vin Mora
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
89
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:10:00 -
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But to farm WP you actually have to play, even if it wasting ammo in a teammates nanohive. You are still supporting your team with those WPs, so its a small win for reducing actual AFKing. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1491
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:12:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:What they should have done is changed the gain from 5 SP/s to 2 SP/s and 1 SP/WP to 6-8 SP/WP, with a doubled cap.
THAT is how you discourage afk farming. I actually thought about that myself but there's a big problem: WP farming. 3k+ WPs should be rather easy to farm, and at that SP/WP rate you'd get at least 18k SP. I haven't farmed WPs but I've gotten almost 3.5k WPs during a real match with railgun sniping and destroying every vehicle that got brought onto the field. If I can get that much, then imagine what some WP farming can net you.
So what... you just get to the cap a little faster? Fine with me. |
Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
459
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:14:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Harpyja wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:What they should have done is changed the gain from 5 SP/s to 2 SP/s and 1 SP/WP to 6-8 SP/WP, with a doubled cap.
THAT is how you discourage afk farming. I actually thought about that myself but there's a big problem: WP farming. 3k+ WPs should be rather easy to farm, and at that SP/WP rate you'd get at least 18k SP. I haven't farmed WPs but I've gotten almost 3.5k WPs during a real match with railgun sniping and destroying every vehicle that got brought onto the field. If I can get that much, then imagine what some WP farming can net you. So what... you just get to the cap a little faster? Fine with me.
I'm also fine with getting to the cap faster. I just strongly doubt that CCP encourages farming of any kind. But yet again you can do stuff in New Eden which would otherwise get you banned in other games... |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1491
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:21:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Harpyja wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:What they should have done is changed the gain from 5 SP/s to 2 SP/s and 1 SP/WP to 6-8 SP/WP, with a doubled cap.
THAT is how you discourage afk farming. I actually thought about that myself but there's a big problem: WP farming. 3k+ WPs should be rather easy to farm, and at that SP/WP rate you'd get at least 18k SP. I haven't farmed WPs but I've gotten almost 3.5k WPs during a real match with railgun sniping and destroying every vehicle that got brought onto the field. If I can get that much, then imagine what some WP farming can net you. So what... you just get to the cap a little faster? Fine with me. I'm also fine with getting to the cap faster. I just strongly doubt that CCP encourages farming of any kind. But yet again you can do stuff in New Eden which would otherwise get you banned in other games...
The only kind of WP farming I can really imagine they would want to get rid of is the kill-revive farming.
You actually participated in the battle rail sniping all of the vehicles... so I don't see how that was a bad thing? You contributed to the battle and received WP for doing so. |
Stile451
Red Star.
EoN.
165
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Posted - 2013.08.06 19:10:00 -
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Time to cap:
Normal(195k bonus SP)
Assuming a 10 minute battle with 1000 WP earned
5 SP/s +1 SP/WP
3000 SP + 1000 SP = 4000 SP
195k/4k = 48.75 games which works out to a little over 8 hours
This 2x week(390k bonus SP)
Assuming a 10 minute battle with 1000 WP earned
5 SP/s(this doesn't change) + 2 SP/WP
3000 SP + 2000 SP = 5000 SP
390k/5k = 78 games which works out to be 13 hours
While this is strictly speaking a double SP event, you aren't earning double the SP per match. I haven't AFKd yet but this event is making me seriously consider it. |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
62
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Posted - 2013.08.06 19:16:00 -
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what about when your team gets proto stomped or steamrolled by a proto squad or two very organized squads? you get what? usually most stomped teams come out with the top player at 600 wp give or take 200... so the stomped team gets nothing... also new small corps with not enough manpower for a good squad at any time of the day will be sacrificing SP/WP because they cant even compete. making the powerful corps even more powerful, due to small corp players wanting to have a full organized squad at anytime of the day |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
235
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Posted - 2013.08.06 21:11:00 -
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Fact: you are getting more SP
THAT'S F****** GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!
I'm sick of caping b4 the weekend anyway so I'm really not seeing what the big deal is.
So it's not a "True x2 SP". Who da f*** cares? CCP is giving us more SP and that's all that really matters. If the only thing you care about is reaching the cap just so you can put the game down for a week then what's the point in playing in the first place?
I only wish it was triple.
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST . |
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