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Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2883	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:04:00 - [1] - Quote Fighters. Anything? Anything at all? We've even had a Dev post relating to MTACs but not a word said on Fighters since FanFest. On behalf of the others hoping to spec into those, can we get maybe a general statement that they still exist, or something?
Cat Merc DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 3895	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:07:00 - [2] - Quote Soon(Never(TM))
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2883	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:09:00 - [3] - Quote Since I didn't put this in my OP. CCP Wolfman wrote: A sparkle in the eye until the vehicles we have in the game already are in a better place. Would be awesome though... That was a response to the MTAC thread from a week or two ago.
Galm Fae Guardian Solutions 34	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:11:00 - [4] - Quote I joined Dust as a flyboy hoping see some action in the game, and I have to admit that I kind of feel left out to dry on this whole fighters thing. Something... ANYTHING would be great to hear from the Dev team.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2883	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:20:00 - [5] - Quote Galm Fae wrote: I joined Dust as a flyboy hoping see some action in the game, and I have to admit that I kind of feel left out to dry on this whole fighters thing. Something... ANYTHING would be great to hear from the Dev team. My thoughts exactly. I mean, we haven't even seen any real concept art of the MTACs, since the picture they used to reveal them was actually artwork done for The Empyrean Age back in 2008, and was of a construction model. We were shown an animated 3D render of the Caldari Fighter at FanFest, and then nothing since that point.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 987	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:25:00 - [6] - Quote They've got their plate full They don't want fighters in maps this small They don't want this few of players in large maps They can't get any more players in a game They need to magically optimize code OR increase hardware. (Current optimizations have it so I can't see rail tanks/swarm launchers/ swarm missiles / rail installations / forge guns shooting at my dropship. TROLLLOLOL) Fighters won't be out till PS4. PS4 won't be done till PS3 is "Obsolete" ~ Old Roadmap Hence: Fighters in 2-4 years. Lol. Yeah.... Sorry
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2884	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:38:00 - [7] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: They've got their plate full They don't want fighters in maps this small They don't want this few of players in large maps They can't get any more players in a game They need to magically optimize code OR increase hardware. (Current optimizations have it so I can't see rail tanks/swarm launchers/ swarm missiles / rail installations / forge guns shooting at my dropship. TROLLLOLOL) Fighters won't be out till PS4. PS4 won't be done till PS3 is "Obsolete" ~ Old Roadmap Hence: Fighters in 2-4 years. Lol. Yeah.... Sorry Sarcastic post is sarcastic and duly noted. Moving on.
Galm Fae Guardian Solutions 34	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:39:00 - [8] - Quote No... NOOOOO!
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 987	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:42:00 - [9] - Quote i speak teh tr00f
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2885	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:56:00 - [10] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: i speak teh tr00f No doubt.

Paladin Sas Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 187	Posted - 2013.08.06 07:24:00 - [11] - Quote i wanna shoot wamp rats in my fighter on some backwater desert planet
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2888	Posted - 2013.08.06 12:13:00 - [12] - Quote Paladin Sas wrote: i wanna shoot wamp rats in my fighter on some backwater desert planet I believe the specific phrase he used was "bulls-eye", but yes.
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 821	Posted - 2013.08.06 12:17:00 - [13] - Quote Paladin Sas wrote: i wanna shoot wamp rats in my fighter on some backwater desert planet You do realize killing small defenseless animals is the first sign of a serial killer?
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2889	Posted - 2013.08.06 12:21:00 - [14] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Paladin Sas wrote: i wanna shoot wamp rats in my fighter on some backwater desert planet You do realize killing small defenseless animals is the first sign of a serial killer? If I recall correctly, he mentioned them being not much bigger than two meters. A two meter rat? On Tatooine? Something tells me those things were far from defenseless. That planet wasn't exactly known for the friendly wildlife.
Lorhak Gannarsein DUST University Ivy League 108	Posted - 2013.08.06 12:27:00 - [15] - Quote Paladin Sas wrote: i wanna shoot wamp rats in my fighter on some backwater desert planet Thread derailed! +100WP On the first page! +100WP
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2889	Posted - 2013.08.06 12:44:00 - [16] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Paladin Sas wrote: i wanna shoot wamp rats in my fighter on some backwater desert planet Thread derailed! +100WP On the first page! +100WP It's not unprecedented, but it's worth a golf clap. *golf clap In any case, I'm just interested in getting even a little tidbit on the status of something that, as I said, we saw an almost completed render of at FanFest, and then never saw again. For reference: The Caldari Fighter Again, we've had a post from CCP Wolfman mentioning that MTACs are likely a while off yet, but no word on something that looked to be nearing completion that we were specifically shown only a few months ago.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 255	Posted - 2013.08.06 13:34:00 - [17] - Quote Im one of those that are waiting for fighters to be introduced. Heck, we had a very good thread on what we would like to see as controls and armaments a while back. The problem is that there has been ZERO dev response even from a potential build philosophy. I would be fine waiting for a few months for them if a DEV would actually interact with us so we felt that we were helping to make some progress what so ever. Right now, this going to head one of two ways for me. Either I am going to hold on and all of my SP saving will come to fruition or boredom will overcome hope and I will walk away with a 'what could have been' mentality. If CCP wants to save this game, they have to come to the realization very quickly that just involving players in brainstorming of new content will have a positive impact on player retention. Right now, all these threads are are nothing more than yelling into the wind.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2893	Posted - 2013.08.06 13:40:00 - [18] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Im one of those that are waiting for fighters to be introduced. Heck, we had a very good thread on what we would like to see as controls and armaments a while back. The problem is that there has been ZERO dev response even from a potential build philosophy. I would be fine waiting for a few months for them if a DEV would actually interact with us so we felt that we were helping to make some progress what so ever. Right now, this going to head one of two ways for me. Either I am going to hold on and all of my SP saving will come to fruition or boredom will overcome hope and I will walk away with a 'what could have been' mentality. If CCP wants to save this game, they have to come to the realization very quickly that just involving players in brainstorming of new content will have a positive impact on player retention. Right now, all these threads are are nothing more than yelling into the wind. And what you just described is exactly what I and others hope to encourage: getting them to just tell us about what they're thinking about even if it doesn't end up like they initially brainstorm. There's a LOT less risk associated with "misleading expectations" than there is with just being silent and leaving everyone to wonder what you're doing. The big difference between these forums and the EVE forums in terms of civility (excluding GD, which is a cesspool), is that the Reykjavik team just talks about things they want and things that might happen, even if they sometimes don't. Humans are social creatures. More than anything else, we like communicating with each other, regardless of what form that communication might take. More communication is almost never a bad thing in this sort of environment.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2893	Posted - 2013.08.06 14:04:00 - [19] - Quote I've had this on my mind more often lately after watching a playthrough of Ace Combat 6 a few days ago. One thing that Dust could deliver that most other games don't, and especially that dedicated flight games can't, is the feeling of being part of a larger scale fight, while still keeping the true scale of air combat. In any case, if it turns out that Fighters are even further off than MTACs, at least I'll have Ace Combat Infinity to play alongside Dust while I wait and bank SP.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 251	Posted - 2013.08.06 14:11:00 - [20] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Fighters. Anything? Anything at all? We've even had a Dev post relating to MTACs but not a word said on Fighters since FanFest. On behalf of the others hoping to spec into those, can we get maybe a general statement that they still exist, or something? not important right now. maybe try reading the dev blogs.

Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2893	Posted - 2013.08.06 14:16:00 - [21] - Quote low genius wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Fighters. Anything? Anything at all? We've even had a Dev post relating to MTACs but not a word said on Fighters since FanFest. On behalf of the others hoping to spec into those, can we get maybe a general statement that they still exist, or something? not important right now. maybe try reading the dev blogs. I do. All of them. You'll notice that I mention that we had a post made about an asset that was projected to be even further out than the Fighter, and I'm looking to see if we can expect these vehicles earlier or later than the MTACs that were talked about. I'm not suggesting they be implemented now, or even that they be picked up as a priority. I'm merely looking for information.
Bendtner92 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 832	Posted - 2013.08.06 14:20:00 - [22] - Quote There's no point in Fighters right now. MAVs, Speeders (or whatever they're called) and Gunships are much better options for new vehicles in the current situation. Fighters will not be introduced until Dust is on the PS4 (which means never).
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 255	Posted - 2013.08.06 14:34:00 - [23] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: There's no point in Fighters right now. MAVs, Speeders (or whatever they're called) and Gunships are much better options for new vehicles in the current situation. Fighters will not be introduced until Dust is on the PS4 (which means never). Im actually writing up a somewhat long post on how things can be implemented without excessive need for a full redo of the game. And I fully agree with both points. Yes, there are other things that need to come first but that doesnt mean that an open discussion between DEVs and players about these things is asking too much. As Mobius stated, just starting the conversation would satiate many of us fighter jockeys for a good while if we felt that it was leading towards a future release (even if its months away). Its about open communication and the feeling that we are working towards something other than just sitting and waiting. All that that will lead to is people getting frustrated and walking away because they dont know if they are 3 months away or 3 years (if at all). Other options in games will come and if those options have what players want, they will leave. Right now we cannot stop the inevitable mass exodus of the casual FPS player that will be coming after the tournament and when GTA comes about. This is about continuing the DUST build so that, at some point in the future, it is a viable alternative to what may be on the market.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2893	Posted - 2013.08.06 18:44:00 - [24] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: There's no point in Fighters right now. MAVs, Speeders (or whatever they're called) and Gunships are much better options for new vehicles in the current situation. Fighters will not be introduced until Dust is on the PS4 (which means never). And another post that just spews negativity while adding nothing productive. How about we at least stick to reasonable discussion? There's no need to turn every single thread anyone makes into a thread about how the game sucks.
Protocake JR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 408	Posted - 2013.08.06 18:46:00 - [25] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: There's no point in Fighters right now. MAVs, Speeders (or whatever they're called) and Gunships are much better options for new vehicles in the current situation. Fighters will not be introduced until Dust is on the PS4 (which means never). And another post that just spews negativity while adding nothing productive. How about we at least stick to reasonable discussion? There's no need to turn every single thread anyone makes into a thread about how the game sucks. Lol Every thread is about (at least a little bit) how the game sucks.
Bendtner92 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 837	Posted - 2013.08.06 18:48:00 - [26] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: There's no point in Fighters right now. MAVs, Speeders (or whatever they're called) and Gunships are much better options for new vehicles in the current situation. Fighters will not be introduced until Dust is on the PS4 (which means never). And another post that just spews negativity while adding nothing productive. How about we at least stick to reasonable discussion? There's no need to turn every single thread anyone makes into a thread about how the game sucks. Did I say this is a bad game? I said there are no plans for getting it on the PS4 and it's unlikely it will get there before it's dead. Nothing productive? I said there's no point in Fighters until playercounts are at least at 64 player battles (32 vs 32) and we're on bigger maps. MAVs, Speeders and Gunships are new additions that could happen in this current situation with 32 player battles.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2897	Posted - 2013.08.06 18:49:00 - [27] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: There's no point in Fighters right now. MAVs, Speeders (or whatever they're called) and Gunships are much better options for new vehicles in the current situation. Fighters will not be introduced until Dust is on the PS4 (which means never). And another post that just spews negativity while adding nothing productive. How about we at least stick to reasonable discussion? There's no need to turn every single thread anyone makes into a thread about how the game sucks. Lol Every thread is about (at least a little bit) how the game sucks. Is it bad that as soon as the notification popped up with "Protocake JR" in the box, I knew exactly what your post would be? Getting rather predictable, my friend. My original question still stands. Just looking for some word on status, even if it's just to say they're on the same back-burner as MTACs.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2901	Posted - 2013.08.06 20:46:00 - [28] - Quote I don't always bump. But when I do, it's for my own self-interest.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7009	Posted - 2013.08.06 20:48:00 - [29] - Quote Artwork is still probably going to be hammering away at it since they just have the goal of getting things done. Other than that its shelved as far as the CPM is concerned.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 259	Posted - 2013.08.06 20:55:00 - [30] - Quote Without releasing dates, it would be nice to know what the development order would be for vehicles. Plans and timelines change but it Im sure people would be satisfied with at least knowing where their desired vehicles are in the current queue.

Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2902	Posted - 2013.08.06 20:59:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Artwork is still probably going to be hammering away at it since they just have the goal of getting things done. Other than that its shelved as far as the CPM is concerned. I figured that was the case. Given the picture they showed at FanFest of the full racial set of our current vehicles came before the other disorganized one showing everything else they were working on, I assumed the Minmatar and Amarr sets of the current vehicles would take priority. Still, it'd be nice to hear something to at least say they haven't been tossed over the side, or something. Canari Elphus wrote: Without releasing dates, it would be nice to know what the development order would be for vehicles. Plans and timelines change but it Im sure people would be satisfied with at least knowing where their desired vehicles are in the current queue. Precisely.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7012	Posted - 2013.08.06 21:06:00 - [32] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Artwork is still probably going to be hammering away at it since they just have the goal of getting things done. Other than that its shelved as far as the CPM is concerned. I figured that was the case. Given the picture they showed at FanFest of the full racial set of our current vehicles came before the other disorganized one showing everything else they were working on, I assumed the Minmatar and Amarr sets of the current vehicles would take priority. Still, it'd be nice to hear something to at least say they haven't been tossed over the side, or something. Canari Elphus wrote: Without releasing dates, it would be nice to know what the development order would be for vehicles. Plans and timelines change but it Im sure people would be satisfied with at least knowing where their desired vehicles are in the current queue. Precisely. Well look on the bright side. the longer its delayed the more likely you're going to get all 4 races at once.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5623	Posted - 2013.08.06 21:10:00 - [33] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well look on the bright side. the longer its delayed the more likely you're going to get all 4 races at once. Like Heavies and Scouts? Woo 2 more years till fighters! \o/
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2376	Posted - 2013.08.06 21:13:00 - [34] - Quote low genius wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Fighters. Anything? Anything at all? We've even had a Dev post relating to MTACs but not a word said on Fighters since FanFest. On behalf of the others hoping to spec into those, can we get maybe a general statement that they still exist, or something? not important right now. maybe try reading the dev blogs. Maybe he's asking for news? Maybe you should read them - after all, if you had you'd know that there's a reason to ask for news.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2904	Posted - 2013.08.06 21:22:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Artwork is still probably going to be hammering away at it since they just have the goal of getting things done. Other than that its shelved as far as the CPM is concerned. I figured that was the case. Given the picture they showed at FanFest of the full racial set of our current vehicles came before the other disorganized one showing everything else they were working on, I assumed the Minmatar and Amarr sets of the current vehicles would take priority. Still, it'd be nice to hear something to at least say they haven't been tossed over the side, or something. Canari Elphus wrote: Without releasing dates, it would be nice to know what the development order would be for vehicles. Plans and timelines change but it Im sure people would be satisfied with at least knowing where their desired vehicles are in the current queue. Precisely. Well look on the bright side. the longer its delayed the more likely you're going to get all 4 races at once. Probably not the best way to phrase that, IWS. I get what you're saying though, and I'm personally looking forward to finally getting my hands on some Caldari Lights. I might even try and get back into Dropships if the 1.5 revamp goes well. Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Maybe he's asking for news? Maybe you should read them - after all, if you had you'd know that there's a reason to ask for news. Any post not discussing nerfing or this game being doomed is classified as ignorant.
Galm Fae Guardian Solutions 35	Posted - 2013.08.07 00:24:00 - [36] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Paladin Sas wrote: i wanna shoot wamp rats in my fighter on some backwater desert planet You do realize killing small defenseless animals is the first sign of a serial killer? Sometimes... I put furriers into a railgun and shoot them at people... Just because I can.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2914	Posted - 2013.08.07 00:25:00 - [37] - Quote Galm Fae wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Paladin Sas wrote: i wanna shoot wamp rats in my fighter on some backwater desert planet You do realize killing small defenseless animals is the first sign of a serial killer? Sometimes... I put furriers into a railgun and shoot them at people... Just because I can. Man, **** those things. They're creepy.


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