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Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:34:00 -
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Seriously wtf, how can you **** it up so badly? EVERY SINGLE AMBUSH MATCH has me die at least 3 times on spawn. I often see myself surrounded by enemy fire from everywhere.
Heck for two matches in a row I died 4 times within 5 seconds from spawning.
Uplinks are not an excuse to have a terrible spawn system.
Is it really that hard to tell the game: "If there are red people, don't spawn that person there!" |
aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:40:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
Is it really that hard to tell the game: "If there are red people, don't spawn that person there!"
If it was easy it would be fixed by now. But this is CCP we are talking about so........ |
Acezero 44
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:41:00 -
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well it is called ambush, its not ment to be fair. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:43:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:well it is called ambush, its not ment to be fair. Ambush = TDM |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:44:00 -
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Working as intended. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:47:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Uplinks are not an excuse to have a terrible spawn system. That's a whole other can of worms. Someone seriously screwed up removing the option to "random" drop instead of forcing people unto fixed points. There are times I won't spawn if it looks like there is camping going on. |
Beowulf Folkvar
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:52:00 -
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Lol wait till ur stuck on the spawn screen waiting to spawn for 5 minutes after spawn countdown hits 0 |
Crow Splat
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:54:00 -
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The part that gets me is that every ambush map basically screws 2 or 3 members of each team because they always spawn really close to the majority of the other team and sometimes actually right on top of them. Its to the point where I spawn first in a BPO fit just in case I'm one of the "lucky" ones. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:58:00 -
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who the hell spawns random in ambush?
What's so hard to understand about "random?"
If you don't want to spawn randomly, pick your spawn point from your squad's uplink locations. If your squad doesn't have uplinks down, then you deserve to lose. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:04:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:who the hell spawns random in ambush?
What's so hard to understand about "random?"
If you don't want to spawn randomly, pick your spawn point from your squad's uplink locations. If your squad doesn't have uplinks down, then you deserve to lose. ^ Stupidity at it's finest. |
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Acezero 44
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:04:00 -
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Its a death match, any qq about it being unfair or dieing 5 times in a row is silly..
If you random spawn, then its 100% fair for you and the red you spawn in front of. hell we even get a 1 second invis noob shield now. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Auxiliaries
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:05:00 -
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Sadly, it is impossible to create the perfect spawn system.
In some cases it's bad to be spawning in the middle of the fight, sometimes it's good to be close to action and get back on. Besides people will complain if you spawn 500m from nearest red dot and have to run a mile to get there. And QQ when after that journey you die. Repeat 5x times and even more QQ.
Some cases it's good to spawn far away from action.
Some people want to spawn next to blues, some players hate it.
No matter what the system is people WILL complain. On thing is certain: The spawn script will not be able to read your mind what will you want at any given spawn occasion. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:06:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Baal Roo wrote:who the hell spawns random in ambush?
What's so hard to understand about "random?"
If you don't want to spawn randomly, pick your spawn point from your squad's uplink locations. If your squad doesn't have uplinks down, then you deserve to lose. ^ Stupidity at it's finest.
Care to counter, or are you just going to stick to the ad hominem? |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:07:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:Its a death match, any qq about it being unfair or dieing 5 times in a row is silly..
If you random spawn, then its 100% fair for you and the red you spawn in front of. hell we even get a 1 second invis noob shield now. No, it shouldn't. The game should give you a chance. This HTFU mentality is wrong, 100% wrong. If you die 5 seconds within spawning, and it was from 5 enemies seeing you spawn, the game is responsible for that death, not you. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:08:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Baal Roo wrote:who the hell spawns random in ambush?
What's so hard to understand about "random?"
If you don't want to spawn randomly, pick your spawn point from your squad's uplink locations. If your squad doesn't have uplinks down, then you deserve to lose. ^ Stupidity at it's finest. Care to counter, or are you just going to stick to the ad hominem? Why should you not be given a chance? Spawning infront of 5 enemies should never, ever happen. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2074
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:12:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Baal Roo wrote:who the hell spawns random in ambush?
What's so hard to understand about "random?"
If you don't want to spawn randomly, pick your spawn point from your squad's uplink locations. If your squad doesn't have uplinks down, then you deserve to lose. ^ Stupidity at it's finest. Care to counter, or are you just going to stick to the ad hominem? Why should you not be given a chance? Spawning infront of 5 enemies should never, ever happen.
Just cuz?
Seriously, it's a RANDOM spawn. The idea is supposed to be to use teamwork and coordinate spawn points with your squad. If you don't want to play as a squad and create staging areas, then throw the dice and spawn in randomly.
I just don't understand the problem.
What is your counterpoint to this besides "It shouldn't be this way." WHY shouldn't it be? What's wrong with choosing your own spawn locations as a squad?
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Acezero 44
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:13:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Baal Roo wrote:who the hell spawns random in ambush?
What's so hard to understand about "random?"
If you don't want to spawn randomly, pick your spawn point from your squad's uplink locations. If your squad doesn't have uplinks down, then you deserve to lose. ^ Stupidity at it's finest. Care to counter, or are you just going to stick to the ad hominem? Why should you not be given a chance? Spawning infront of 5 enemies should never, ever happen.
Its a death match Cat, if you die and loose your position of strength then spawning back in is risky. Hell, someone could spawn right on your back and make you sit. thats what death match is, its risky, its dangerous, and at any time you could be
AMBUSHED !
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Cat Merc
BetaMax.
3679
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:16:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Baal Roo wrote:who the hell spawns random in ambush?
What's so hard to understand about "random?"
If you don't want to spawn randomly, pick your spawn point from your squad's uplink locations. If your squad doesn't have uplinks down, then you deserve to lose. ^ Stupidity at it's finest. Care to counter, or are you just going to stick to the ad hominem? Why should you not be given a chance? Spawning infront of 5 enemies should never, ever happen. Just cuz? Seriously, it's a RANDOM spawn. The idea is supposed to be to use teamwork and coordinate spawn points with your squad. If you don't want to play as a squad and create staging areas, then throw the dice and spawn in randomly. I just don't understand the problem. What is your counterpoint to this besides "It shouldn't be this way." WHY shouldn't it be? What's wrong with choosing your own spawn locations as a squad? So let me get it straight. It's ok for you to lose a 200k suit because the game decided to **** you over?
It's bad, simple as that. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:17:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Baal Roo wrote:who the hell spawns random in ambush?
What's so hard to understand about "random?"
If you don't want to spawn randomly, pick your spawn point from your squad's uplink locations. If your squad doesn't have uplinks down, then you deserve to lose. ^ Stupidity at it's finest. Care to counter, or are you just going to stick to the ad hominem? Why should you not be given a chance? Spawning infront of 5 enemies should never, ever happen. Its a death match Cat, if you die and loose your position of strength then spawning back in is risky. Hell, someone could spawn right on your back and make you sit. thats what death match is, its risky, its dangerous, and at any time you could be AMBUSHED ! Funny, because I play plenty of deathmatch in tons of games, and rarely do I encounter a spawn system as bad as dust where you can die 2 seconds after you spawn. There are exceptions, always, but Dust's system fucks up constantly. I would say 80% of spawns are terrible. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2076
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:18:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote: So let me get it straight. It's ok for you to lose a 200k suit because the game decided to **** you over?
It's bad, simple as that.
If you spawn in randomly in a 200k suit, that's YOUR fault. You should have used a proper uplink that was covered by your squad.
Why would you blame your poor planning on the game?
I still don't understand what you're getting at.
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:20:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote: Funny, because I play plenty of deathmatch in tons of games, and rarely do I encounter a spawn system as bad as dust where you can die 2 seconds after you spawn. There are exceptions, always, but Dust's system fucks up constantly. I would say 80% of spawns are terrible.
Nearly 100% of spawns in a decent squad are great.
If 80% of your spawns are "terrible," you're probably a bad player... or at the least, you're making terrible decisions. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:20:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Cat Merc wrote: So let me get it straight. It's ok for you to lose a 200k suit because the game decided to **** you over?
It's bad, simple as that.
If you spawn in randomly in a 200k suit, that's YOUR fault. You should have used a proper uplink that was covered by your squad. Why would you blame your poor planning on the game? I still don't understand what you're getting at. Hmm... So question. If you never had a chance to drop an uplink, because all of your spawns were terrible, what are you supposed to do? Keep getting farmed? |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:21:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Cat Merc wrote: Funny, because I play plenty of deathmatch in tons of games, and rarely do I encounter a spawn system as bad as dust where you can die 2 seconds after you spawn. There are exceptions, always, but Dust's system fucks up constantly. I would say 80% of spawns are terrible.
Nearly 100% of spawns in a decent squad are great. If 80% of your spawns are "terrible," you're probably a bad player. Yes, because spawning infront of 5 enemies is considered a great spawn, and is totally my fault, right? |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:23:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Cat Merc wrote: So let me get it straight. It's ok for you to lose a 200k suit because the game decided to **** you over?
It's bad, simple as that.
If you spawn in randomly in a 200k suit, that's YOUR fault. You should have used a proper uplink that was covered by your squad. Why would you blame your poor planning on the game? I still don't understand what you're getting at. Hmm... So question. If you never had a chance to drop an uplink, because all of your spawns were terrible, what are you supposed to do? Keep getting farmed?
In the hypothetical situation in which your entire team is randomly spawning directly in front of reds, yeah, I guess you'd be screwed. I can't say I've ever experienced anything even close to this scenario though.
There is that crapshoot at the very beginning of the match on your first spawn where every once in a while you'll spawn next to a pile of reds, but I wouldn't say it happens anywhere close to often enough to be a real problem. After that initial spawn, the rest of the match is up to your squad.
I'll agree with you on that point: The initial spawn should spawn both teams at opposite ends of the map. PROBLEM 100% SOLVED.
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:24:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Cat Merc wrote: Funny, because I play plenty of deathmatch in tons of games, and rarely do I encounter a spawn system as bad as dust where you can die 2 seconds after you spawn. There are exceptions, always, but Dust's system fucks up constantly. I would say 80% of spawns are terrible.
Nearly 100% of spawns in a decent squad are great. If 80% of your spawns are "terrible," you're probably a bad player. Yes, because spawning infront of 5 enemies is considered a great spawn, and is totally my fault, right?
Why would you spawn in front of 5 enemies?
Don't you verify with your squad that the uplink is clear before spawning? If not, you may want to examine your own play, because it sounds like you're not communicating well. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:28:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Cat Merc wrote: Funny, because I play plenty of deathmatch in tons of games, and rarely do I encounter a spawn system as bad as dust where you can die 2 seconds after you spawn. There are exceptions, always, but Dust's system fucks up constantly. I would say 80% of spawns are terrible.
Nearly 100% of spawns in a decent squad are great. If 80% of your spawns are "terrible," you're probably a bad player. Yes, because spawning infront of 5 enemies is considered a great spawn, and is totally my fault, right? Why would you spawn in front of 5 enemies? Don't you verify with your squad that the uplink is clear before spawning? If not, you may want to examine your own play, because it sounds like you're not communicating well. Who talked about uplinks? |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:29:00 -
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Let me ask you a question. If a new player steps into the game, and gets spawned infront of 5 players because lolrandomhtfu. What do you think he will do? Try to work around that? Or say **** this game and play the dozens of games where the spawn system isn't ****** up? |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:39:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Cat Merc wrote: Yes, because spawning infront of 5 enemies is considered a great spawn, and is totally my fault, right?
Why would you spawn in front of 5 enemies? Don't you verify with your squad that the uplink is clear before spawning? If not, you may want to examine your own play, because it sounds like you're not communicating well. Who talked about uplinks?
Again, it's a RANDOM spawn. If you don't want to spawn random, it's up to the player to set up a spawn point. That's why there are militia uplinks available in the marketplace.
You can't look at a single mechanic in a vacuum. The spawn system exists alongside CRUs, mCRUs, and uplinks, and thus all of these things have to be taken into consideration.
Cat Merc wrote:Let me ask you a question. If a new player steps into the game, and gets spawned infront of 5 players because lolrandomhtfu. What do you think he will do? Try to work around that? Or say **** this game and play the dozens of games where the spawn system isn't ****** up?
I don't think there's anything "****** up" about the spawn system. I LOVE the spawn system, because it rewards people who think ahead and work as a team.
I think the problem with new players has more to do with CCP lacking any sort of training. If CCP had a proper new player experience that explained the basics of the game, then it wouldn't be a problem. A simple training scenario that explains how to use each piece of equipment, and shows how you NEED to set up a spawn point and make sure it's safe as a squad would resolve the issue you're bringing up.
The mechanic is fine, the problem is new players (and players such as yourself) are never told how the mechanic is to be used. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:41:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Cat Merc wrote: Yes, because spawning infront of 5 enemies is considered a great spawn, and is totally my fault, right?
Why would you spawn in front of 5 enemies? Don't you verify with your squad that the uplink is clear before spawning? If not, you may want to examine your own play, because it sounds like you're not communicating well. Who talked about uplinks? Again, it's a RANDOM spawn. If you don't want to spawn random, it's up to the player to set up a spawn point. That's why there are militia uplinks available in the marketplace. You can't look at a single mechanic in a vacuum. The spawn system exists alongside CRUs, mCRUs, and uplinks, and thus all of these things have to be taken into consideration. Cat Merc wrote:Let me ask you a question. If a new player steps into the game, and gets spawned infront of 5 players because lolrandomhtfu. What do you think he will do? Try to work around that? Or say **** this game and play the dozens of games where the spawn system isn't ****** up? I don't think there's anything "****** up" about the spawn system. I LOVE the spawn system, because it rewards people who think ahead and work as a team. I think the problem with new players has more to do with CCP lacking any sort of training. If CCP had a proper new player experience that explained the basics of the game, then it wouldn't be a problem. A simple training scenario that explains how to use each piece of equipment, and shows how you NEED to set up a spawn point and make sure it's safe as a squad would resolve the issue you're bringing up. The mechanic is fine, the problem is new players (and players such as yourself) are never told how the mechanic is to be used. OR OR CCP failed hard. Because I'm talking with the devs on IRC, this is 100% unintended. CCP can't teach us about something they didn't intend to be there :P |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:48:00 -
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I find either you spawn in the middle of the enemy team... or on the complete other side of the map which on foot takes 3-5 mins just to get back in the action. |
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