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HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.09 10:36:00 -
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If the organized mercenaries, who have spent a lot of real time and effort to organize into Dust514 corporations.
With full on HTFU griefs towards each other, we find ourselves punching the clock to fight? ( Wile E. Coyote and The Road Runner Style)
We will attack your planet today at 5, and the neighboring district at 6.
good game guys see you again tomorrow same time.
Oh you lost really bad? Both timers? For the last few days? Hmmmm see you again tomorrow, and the next day and probably the day after that( depending on the amount of districts owned.)
Win or loose this is not a satisfying game mechanic. A battle is won or lost in the first few matches. If my 16 beat your 16 today at 5 and 6 and 7. And tomorrow at 5, 6,and 7 and the day after at 5, 6 And 7.
Is it enjoyable to either side? |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2013.06.09 10:41:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Is it enjoyable to either side? Not really no.
PC was obviously a fairly ill-conceived idea punched out at the last minute to give an "oh wow!" for the release of Dust.
However, it's just a mind-numbing bore that by grinding process generates disinterest in the game.
So many flawed concepts in the design of this game it is mind boggling.
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RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
182
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Posted - 2013.06.09 10:45:00 -
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Can alliance corps attack each other? If so, can IE attack the main Corp? |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
72
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Posted - 2013.06.09 10:45:00 -
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Well you're right but the forum drama is fun to read. . Almost more fun to read Dust from then trollfield. |
True Adamance
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2013.06.09 10:47:00 -
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Its pretty damn cool when you get organised and efficient connections between EVE and DUST going.
I've been boots on the ground in PC. Somewhat entertaining, a lot more of the line than a standard game.
I've been up in space in fleet ops preparing to drop OB's.
Both were relatively new and exciting concepts for me.
However what made PC, the ISK loss, and the grind all worth while was sitting above a Southern Legion District with a tiny (and I mean tiny) fleet of ships just waiting for that OB call to come.
However we got told the match was over. SO we were prepping to leave. All of a sudden Local Spikes, short range scans show battleships warping in above the planet.
Everyone in our fleet just scatters. Me with a 40 Million bounty on my head is run down at the gate, the entire rest of the fleet makes it station side and escapes later, and Im just sitting in local chatting to the guy whose Abaddon just owned me.
So so entertaining. If things like that happened every fight in PC..... |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
642
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Posted - 2013.06.09 10:47:00 -
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Losing an attack should not give the attackers the re-attack at the next RT option. Only a successful attack should do that. |
Callidus Vanus
BetaMax. CRONOS.
71
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Posted - 2013.06.09 10:50:00 -
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RuckingFetard wrote:Can alliance corps attack each other? If so, can IE attack the main Corp?
Yes, we had a few derps were we accidentally invaded alliance districts coz we are bad |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2631
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Posted - 2013.06.09 10:51:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:Well you're right but the forum drama is fun to read. . Almost more fun to read Dust from then trollfield.
And just as quickly we are all starting to agree the forum war is more fun than the actual war. Its sad to hear and realize in game that so many great corps are loosing players/interest after realizing the limitations of dust514 16 v 16 mechanics.
How can we fix this?
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HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2631
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Posted - 2013.06.09 10:55:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Its pretty damn cool when you get organised and efficient connections between EVE and DUST going.
I've been boots on the ground in PC. Somewhat entertaining, a lot more of the line than a standard game.
I've been up in space in fleet ops preparing to drop OB's.
Both were relatively new and exciting concepts for me.
However what made PC, the ISK loss, and the grind all worth while was sitting above a Southern Legion District with a tiny (and I mean tiny) fleet of ships just waiting for that OB call to come.
However we got told the match was over. SO we were prepping to leave. All of a sudden Local Spikes, short range scans show battleships warping in above the planet.
Everyone in our fleet just scatters. Me with a 40 Million bounty on my head is run down at the gate, the entire rest of the fleet makes it station side and escapes later, and Im just sitting in local chatting to the guy whose Abaddon just owned me.
So so entertaining. If things like that happened every fight in PC.....
How can we get this kinda drama dust side? We fight the same maps against the same mercs 16 v 16. That's all that determines the outcome the 16 feet on the gound.? |
Novawolf McDustingham The514th
The Official Mintchip Fanclub
198
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Posted - 2013.06.09 10:56:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:Well you're right but the forum drama is fun to read. . Almost more fun to read Dust from then trollfield. And just as quickly we are all starting to agree the forum war is more fun than the actual war. Its sad to hear and realize in game that so many great corps are loosing players/interest after realizing the limitations of dust514 16 v 16 mechanics. How can we fix this?
Bring back the old skirmish Staged style of map. |
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DJINN Marauder
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
780
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:00:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Its pretty damn cool when you get organised and efficient connections between EVE and DUST going.
I've been boots on the ground in PC. Somewhat entertaining, a lot more of the line than a standard game.
I've been up in space in fleet ops preparing to drop OB's.
Both were relatively new and exciting concepts for me.
However what made PC, the ISK loss, and the grind all worth while was sitting above a Southern Legion District with a tiny (and I mean tiny) fleet of ships just waiting for that OB call to come.
However we got told the match was over. SO we were prepping to leave. All of a sudden Local Spikes, short range scans show battleships warping in above the planet.
Everyone in our fleet just scatters. Me with a 40 Million bounty on my head is run down at the gate, the entire rest of the fleet makes it station side and escapes later, and Im just sitting in local chatting to the guy whose Abaddon just owned me.
So so entertaining. If things like that happened every fight in PC..... Yeah sorry bout that lol. We didnt let SL get an OB in that match by making sure they didnt get kills |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
72
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:05:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:Well you're right but the forum drama is fun to read. . Almost more fun to read Dust from then trollfield. And just as quickly we are all starting to agree the forum war is more fun than the actual war. Its sad to hear and realize in game that so many great corps are loosing players/interest after realizing the limitations of dust514 16 v 16 mechanics. How can we fix this? Well. I only played 1 PC match so I can't help much. But we can all agree that PC matches can lag and needs fixing, if possible. Once the game is properly balance, maybe more strategies will come out. Maybe they can change the maps a lot more or allow a "few" modifications like be able to move null to certain fixed locations. Open up more strategies. |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
672
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:08:00 -
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i have a few ideas for PC just need to time to hit up into a post and get someone to spell check it :P.
i strongly belive that it should shift to either 24/7 system. or PC is done the same way player owned stations are. you spend a LONG time building up what you need to own it. You get it with some awesome bonuses it, downside it can be attacked at any time with once chance to defend it following a raid. This way you have downtime and everybody gets to take part as if your not in during a raid other members of the corp can fill in.
right now noone wants to take part in PC beucase its the A-team club, NO corp is going to field bad players by choice and no players want to spend 1 hour squaring off on the imperfects because they Know they will lose. i am still shocked PC was not tested in any shape or form this could have pointed out at the early stages and fixed |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2461
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:09:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:
right now noone wants to take part in PC beucase its the A-team club, NO corp is going to field bad players by choice and no players want to spend 1 hour squaring off on the imperfects because they Know they will lose. i am still shocked PC was not tested in any shape or form this could have pointed out at the early stages and fixed
It's sad to see in an FPS people aren't competitive. I would be striving for the next level of excellence - but it seems everyone is just fine with rolling over and blaming CCP for there problems :( |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2631
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:10:00 -
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Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:Well you're right but the forum drama is fun to read. . Almost more fun to read Dust from then trollfield. And just as quickly we are all starting to agree the forum war is more fun than the actual war. Its sad to hear and realize in game that so many great corps are loosing players/interest after realizing the limitations of dust514 16 v 16 mechanics. How can we fix this? Bring back the old skirmish Staged style of map.
Yes. A conquest sort of match. Win district Alpha move on to district Beta. Same time mechanic we have 15 minutes to secure the Alpha district . We win it you have 10 min. To bring in alliance ringers or substitute tankers/ AV or slayers. District Bravo is under attack 15 min again / now attacking team wins again they can bring in the MCC. And a beach head on the planet can be established. If the attacker looses (blah blah some sorta something)
Based on the planet size there should only be a few beach head opportunities giving advantage to the defenders like any other war. Gotta bring it. All can be sorted out. |
R F Gyro
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
360
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:17:00 -
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Allah's Snackbar wrote:PC was obviously a fairly ill-conceived idea punched out at the last minute to give an "oh wow!" for the release of Dust. You do realise that 60 pages of player & dev discussion contributed to that don't you? |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:19:00 -
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Allah's Snackbar wrote:So many flawed concepts in the design of this game it is mind boggling.
Would I be out of line if I called that an UNDERstatement? |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2633
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:21:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:Allah's Snackbar wrote:PC was obviously a fairly ill-conceived idea punched out at the last minute to give an "oh wow!" for the release of Dust. You do realise that 60 pages of player & dev discussion contributed to that don't you?
Plans are only good intentions unless they immediately degenerate into hard work. |
Tectonious Falcon
Phaze O n e
522
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:23:00 -
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We REALLY need better game modes.
Skirmish is a joke and shouldn't be used for PC matches - I'm not surprised people don't want to play PC matches. |
KingBabar
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
756
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:32:00 -
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Well, I'm out.
The mere performance of PC is so bad that it shouldn't be played at all in its current state.
Its not fun to play a FPS game when your bullets register only when the game feels like it....
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The Black Art
Pro Hic Immortalis
108
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:57:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote: 16 v 16. That's all that determines the outcome the 16 feet on the gound.?
You guys are good if you all play on 1 foot |
cr0ps
0uter.Heaven League of Infamy
2
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Posted - 2013.06.09 12:08:00 -
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The Black Art wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote: 16 v 16. That's all that determines the outcome the 16 feet on the gound.? You guys are good if you all play on 1 foot
well **** i logged in just to say that, now what?
cocks. |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
92
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Posted - 2013.06.09 12:38:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:right now noone wants to take part in PC beucase its the A-team club, NO corp is going to field bad players by choice and no players want to spend 1 hour squaring off on the imperfects because they Know they will lose. i am still shocked PC was not tested in any shape or form this could have pointed out at the early stages and fixed If only there had of been some kind of beta for dust.
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steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
673
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Posted - 2013.06.09 12:49:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:Well you're right but the forum drama is fun to read. . Almost more fun to read Dust from then trollfield. And just as quickly we are all starting to agree the forum war is more fun than the actual war. Its sad to hear and realize in game that so many great corps are loosing players/interest after realizing the limitations of dust514 16 v 16 mechanics. How can we fix this? Bring back the old skirmish Staged style of map. Yes. A conquest sort of match. Win district Alpha move on to district Beta. Same time mechanic we have 15 minutes to secure the Alpha district . We win it you have 10 min. To bring in alliance ringers or substitute tankers/ AV or slayers. District Bravo is under attack 15 min again / now attacking team wins again they can bring in the MCC. And a beach head on the planet can be established. If the attacker looses (blah blah some sorta something) Based on the planet size there should only be a few beach head opportunities giving advantage to the defenders like any other war. Gotta bring it. All can be sorted out.
This, different game modes across a planet would be awesome. For example, you send in a A-list team to secure a beach head, ala ambush, once the beachhead is formed the next matches switch to domination to show the attacking setting up defenses. and at the last point we use skrimish 2.0 to show full scale attack in progress.
it would still be better to have old skrimish back and allow progressive maps that required squad changes, im holding out to see how the old Skrim works out if it does come back at all |
Rynoceros
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
113
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:27:00 -
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An attacking corp should have to wait 720 hours (1 month) before trying that district and its owners again. Change in ownership would nullify the remainder of the timer. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2468
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:29:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:An attacking corp should have to wait 720 hours (1 month) before trying that district and its owners again. Change in ownership would nullify the remainder of the timer. What???? You want to make this even longer and more dragged out???? |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
79
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:30:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:
right now noone wants to take part in PC beucase its the A-team club, NO corp is going to field bad players by choice and no players want to spend 1 hour squaring off on the imperfects because they Know they will lose. i am still shocked PC was not tested in any shape or form this could have pointed out at the early stages and fixed
It's sad to see in an FPS people aren't competitive. I would be striving for the next level of excellence - but it seems everyone is just fine with rolling over and blaming CCP for there problems :(
If the Imps had remained a small group, just large enough to fill a couple of teams with beasts then maybe there would be something to fight against, if there were actual mechanics to PC.
As it is, unless you have the bankroll and the ringers, there is little chance of mounting a successful attack on an NF district. None of the big alliances have ISK to burn fighting Imps with everyone else at their door, and none of the small corps have the talent, gear or preparation to handle the task.
So more corps will pass away, donating their few elite players to the NF pool and the game will get more dull.
Thankfully, winning at Dust is looking less and less like an accomplishment every day.
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2468
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:41:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:
right now noone wants to take part in PC beucase its the A-team club, NO corp is going to field bad players by choice and no players want to spend 1 hour squaring off on the imperfects because they Know they will lose. i am still shocked PC was not tested in any shape or form this could have pointed out at the early stages and fixed
It's sad to see in an FPS people aren't competitive. I would be striving for the next level of excellence - but it seems everyone is just fine with rolling over and blaming CCP for there problems :( If the Imps had remained a small group, just large enough to fill a couple of teams with beasts then maybe there would be something to fight against, if there were actual mechanics to PC. As it is, unless you have the bankroll and the ringers, there is little chance of mounting a successful attack on an NF district. None of the big alliances have ISK to burn fighting Imps with everyone else at their door, and none of the small corps have the talent, gear or preparation to handle the task. So more corps will pass away, donating their few elite players to the NF pool and the game will get more dull. Thankfully, winning at Dust is looking less and less like an accomplishment every day. "IF" we remained a small group? How big do you think we are? We just happen to all be active unlike some un-name corps whose members refuse to even PC
League of Infamy and EoN are walking all over everyone - did you forget about them? Or are you too busy ridin' the Imp hate train to notice? If a corp sucks it's there own fault. Should of trained using CB's before uprising when you had the chance. I spoke to shad to set up training matches with you guys and you NO SHOWED.
Excuses - got anymore? Maybe blame lag that everyone gets? Lol |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
394
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Posted - 2013.06.09 13:59:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Well, I'm out.
The mere performance of PC is so bad that it shouldn't be played at all in its current state.
Its not fun to play a FPS game when your bullets register only when the game feels like it....
Agreed +1. This entire discussion is the result of rushing things into the game and not properly testing them first.
Unfortunately there been waaaay too many examples of that, and not enough marky mark top 10 hits :( |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
80
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Posted - 2013.06.09 14:02:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:"IF" we remained a small group? How big do you think we are? We just happen to all be active unlike some un-name corps whose members refuse to even PC League of Infamy and EoN are walking all over everyone - did you forget about them? Or are you too busy ridin' the Imp hate train to notice? If a corp sucks it's there own fault. Should of trained using CB's before uprising when you had the chance. I spoke to shad to set up training matches with you guys and you NO SHOWED. Excuses - got anymore? Maybe blame lag that everyone gets? Lol
I've played in victories over Nyain San and Imperfects so I don't need any excuses.
The northern coalition failed, so I can either look for a new home, or go play just as meaningful pub and FW matches until GTA comes out.
If CCP had given us an easy way to be mercenaries, then maybe I would provide tanking services, but without a simple way to transfer ISK, I don't see the point in leaving my corp, or having to shuffle around alts just to get paid.
Maybe before this game goes in the crapper we can get a good way to have matches without the pointless week long scheduled matches. |
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2468
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Posted - 2013.06.09 14:05:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:"IF" we remained a small group? How big do you think we are? We just happen to all be active unlike some un-name corps whose members refuse to even PC League of Infamy and EoN are walking all over everyone - did you forget about them? Or are you too busy ridin' the Imp hate train to notice? If a corp sucks it's there own fault. Should of trained using CB's before uprising when you had the chance. I spoke to shad to set up training matches with you guys and you NO SHOWED. Excuses - got anymore? Maybe blame lag that everyone gets? Lol I've played in victories over Nyain San and Imperfects so I don't need any excuses. The northern coalition failed, so I can either look for a new home, or go play just as meaningful pub and FW matches until GTA comes out. If CCP had given us an easy way to be mercenaries, then maybe I would provide tanking services, but without a simple way to transfer ISK, I don't see the point in leaving my corp, or having to shuffle around alts just to get paid. Maybe before this game goes in the crapper we can get a good way to have matches without the pointless week long scheduled matches. If only. if only....
Bailing out of ZTCD is probably your best bet if you want anymore interesting PC matches. Otherwise this game doesn't offer anything in terms of enjoyment anymore.
It's all so... bland I guess you could say. |
Drako Light
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
15
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Posted - 2013.06.09 14:21:00 -
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I think the biggest problem is that we are all fighting over a small amount of planets and distrects right now so it's like a garbage recycler. Once they open up more planets and we get more spread out the PC will change. I think if there where story line missions and the rouge drones were implemented it would give more meaning but right now it still feels like a beta. I think when I first started testing last year and the map where you had to destroy the 2 gens before making it to the city would work better for PC then the maps right now. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3565
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Posted - 2013.06.09 14:24:00 -
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We desperately need:
PvE
PvPvE |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
336
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Posted - 2013.06.09 14:32:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:We desperately need:
PvE
PvPvE
Can't forget just being "In your Districts, ******* with your ****!!!"
I really want the Dust equivalent of Eve BlOps dropping harassment asshattery.
I have no intention of grinding your ownership away, I just want to be able to slip in the window, dig through your drawers and make it so you can't profit from your District cause I'm running around ******* with your ****.
Guerrilla Economic Warfare, we need it. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
80
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Posted - 2013.06.09 14:32:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote: If only. if only....
Bailing out of ZTCD is probably your best bet if you want anymore interesting PC matches. Otherwise this game doesn't offer anything in terms of enjoyment anymore.
It's all so... bland I guess you could say.
Honestly, I don't know if I am going to be sticking around for much longer.
I can't really drum up enthusiasm for this game much. I'm hoping that alleged "major update" makes the gun game a bit more tolerable so I can go back to being a heavy.
Tanking in pubs is generally so easy that it feels cheap, right up until I lose a tank taking a bong hit. Tanking in PC is fun because everything can and does kill you, and the crazy strong AV is refreshing. But ringing for a bad team just means that the enemy team is going to rip you apart, and you probably won't get anything for it.
Armor in PC is an ISK sink, and unless a corp is footing the bill I am not interested. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
339
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Posted - 2013.06.09 14:46:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:
right now noone wants to take part in PC beucase its the A-team club, NO corp is going to field bad players by choice and no players want to spend 1 hour squaring off on the imperfects because they Know they will lose. i am still shocked PC was not tested in any shape or form this could have pointed out at the early stages and fixed
It's sad to see in an FPS people aren't competitive. I would be striving for the next level of excellence - but it seems everyone is just fine with rolling over and blaming CCP for there problems :( I'd love to be able to play against you guys. It would be great training for us. When the chunk of us were at PRO we were doing LAV derbies at the request of CBJ while the serious people were in corp battles against top notch competition.
They need to bring back corp battles and they need to roll out team deploy FW.
I still think PC can be worked out. Perhaps there needs to be a boycott to force them to change it.
If we all settled on proper distribution of districts we could save up huge amounts of isk while organizing fights and tournaments. You could even organize systems where corps that don't hold districts can get in on tournaments. No land has to change hands. You could set up tournament planets where everybody of note has a district. This way the next round of the tournament is simply an attack on the next opponents district without clones lost in transport.
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Beld Errmon
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
640
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Posted - 2013.06.09 14:51:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Everyone in our fleet just scatters. Me with a 40 Million bounty on my head is run down at the gate, the entire rest of the fleet makes it station side and escapes later, and Im just sitting in local chatting to the guy whose Abaddon just owned me.
So so entertaining. If things like that happened every fight in PC.....
You got caught by a fleet of battleships? in lowsec? uninstall eve you scrub or enroll in eve uni.
just cause i feel i should offer a suggestion as well as some smack when local spikes and GTFO gets called right click warp to safe spot (the one you should have made while warping around the system when you arrived),
Perhaps im being nasty but i hate eve scrubs worse than dust ones, you've atleast got years worth of manuals and info to read get to it. |
TheArchon
0uter.Heaven League of Infamy
5
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:02:00 -
[38] - Quote
SoTa PoP wrote: Should of trained using CB's before uprising when you had the chance
This (to all corps). However, the problem goes far beyond that. What about corporations or even players who joined Dust post Uprising? At the end of the day, it's about the PvE. A corp can "practice" all they want in Skirmish, Domination, or Merc Batles; but none of the above will truly reflect their skills to move and work as a cohesive unit (and obviously PvE is not as true a testament to the actual PC battles themselves).
Which is why PvE needed to be introduced at the same time as PC. Now, I fully believe that more land should be opened up giving corporations who aren't as deep into the game a chance to hold land. But, throwing more land won't solve the problem. PvE will actually let corporations work on their tactics -since battles take place on your districts - and train up new players instead of throwing them to the wolves - even if this is the grandfather of all teaching lessons in games. I would go on and on and on, but then it would just become a "tl;dr" post. |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
676
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:18:00 -
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SoTa while i agree with you to a point, not everybody wants to a second job, or has a natural talent to be awesome at shooters, i dont mind their being leage play for the top teams who get a kick out of being the best, but in a Video game NOONE should every be shut out of content beucase their not good enough.
all that does is create a negative feedback loop where, newbs cant get in and the eltie just drop out one by one, till its only the best team left. this IS what happend in global agenda and it IS!! whats happening here.
no point you bagging on everybody to get better, we dont want to so your not going to get the games you want thats life. nobody will log onto a game to get thier asses kicked. so their needs to be a way for everyone to take part with out getting face rolled or IMPS we just win dust at the game will die.
because every other corp in this game cant get their **** together
edit:
put a very sort way.
Even if a SUCK BALLS at EvE their is a job for me that i can do.
if i suck balls in Dust, might as well not play. <-- their is the problem |
LongLostLust
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
32
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:50:00 -
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Allah's Snackbar wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Is it enjoyable to either side? Not really no. PC was obviously a fairly ill-conceived idea punched out at the last minute to give an "oh wow!" for the release of Dust. However, it's just a mind-numbing bore that by grinding process generates disinterest in the game. So many flawed concepts in the design of this game it is mind boggling.
I agree with you and see how PC would become a grind. I for one am nt sure how to make it more fun and less of a grind. I know I wouldn't have allowed corps to buy more than one clone pack for starters. Anyone have other ideas how to fix PC? |
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2471
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:57:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:SoTa while i agree with you to a point, not everybody wants to a second job, or has a natural talent to be awesome at shooters, i dont mind their being leage play for the top teams who get a kick out of being the best, but in a Video game NOONE should every be shut out of content beucase their not good enough.
all that does is create a negative feedback loop where, newbs cant get in and the eltie just drop out one by one, till its only the best team left. this IS what happend in global agenda and it IS!! whats happening here.
no point you bagging on everybody to get better, we dont want to so your not going to get the games you want thats life. nobody will log onto a game to get thier asses kicked. so their needs to be a way for everyone to take part with out getting face rolled or IMPS we just win dust at the game will die.
because every other corp in this game cant get their **** together
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put a very sort way.
Even if a SUCK BALLS at EvE their is a job for me that i can do.
if i suck balls in Dust, might as well not play. <-- their is the problem I'm glad you said this because I've been wanting to say something for a while
IF YOU DO NOT PUT TIME AND DEDICATION INTO THIS GAME YOU WEREN'T GOING TO GET ANYWHERE TO BEGIN WITH.
Do you really expect in any FPS game that the average joe has a chance against guy who put up time and energy to be the best? That's what you guys are facing. League of Infamy, Negative Feedback, EoN, all put time and energy into being the best and are now THE best.
The guy who has work has it rough - no doubt and it's not fair - but what part of this game is fair? Plenty of NF guys have work and are still considered the best so it's not an all that viable excuse. Though this feeling like a second job is indeed lame
EVE would never hire a losing team so this outcome of "Do or gtfo" has been expected from the beginning.
Not saying I don't feel for those who can't put time and energy into this - just that this is something they should of seen coming.
And new guys will eventually catch up - but it's quiet a grind.
I think this is fail personally, but it is what it is. This game was always - in my eyes - intended to be a cruel universe where the strong survive. So htfu or gtfo. :D |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
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Posted - 2013.06.09 15:59:00 -
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possable idea. 24/7 battle on a planet, corps can clame certain bases as thier own for what reasion but everybody can join these battles until the planet is won for a side.
for exampe goons want a planet in this area, so they post up a "bond" for 100 million, defends in response post a bond of 200 million, the game then produces contracts for both sides until the funds dry up goons can then hire out decaded dust corps for these battles to make sure they win, but everybody else can still get stuck in |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
677
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:05:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:SoTa while i agree with you to a point, not everybody wants to a second job, or has a natural talent to be awesome at shooters, i dont mind their being leage play for the top teams who get a kick out of being the best, but in a Video game NOONE should every be shut out of content beucase their not good enough.
all that does is create a negative feedback loop where, newbs cant get in and the eltie just drop out one by one, till its only the best team left. this IS what happend in global agenda and it IS!! whats happening here.
no point you bagging on everybody to get better, we dont want to so your not going to get the games you want thats life. nobody will log onto a game to get thier asses kicked. so their needs to be a way for everyone to take part with out getting face rolled or IMPS we just win dust at the game will die.
because every other corp in this game cant get their **** together
edit:
put a very sort way.
Even if a SUCK BALLS at EvE their is a job for me that i can do.
if i suck balls in Dust, might as well not play. <-- their is the problem I'm glad you said this because I've been wanting to say something for a while IF YOU DO NOT PUT TIME AND DEDICATION INTO THIS GAME YOU WEREN'T GOING TO GET ANYWHERE TO BEGIN WITH. Do you really expect in any FPS game that the average joe has a chance against guy who put up time and energy to be the best? That's what you guys are facing. League of Infamy, Negative Feedback, EoN, all put time and energy into being the best and are now THE best. The guy who has work has it rough - no doubt and it's not fair - but what part of this game is fair? Plenty of NF guys have work and are still considered the best so it's not an all that viable excuse. EVE would never hire a losing team so this outcome of "Do or gtfo" has been expected from the beginning. Not saying I don't feel for those who can't put time and energy into this - just that this is something they should of seen coming. And new guys will eventually catch up - but it's quiet a grind. I think this is fail personally, but it is what it is. This game was always - in my eyes - intended to be a cruel universe where the strong survive. So htfu or gtfo. :D
thier is nothing wrong with that mindset but it does not work in a MMO where need everyone needs to take part you cant have an open game modes where its just the 3 best units kicking everyone elses ass, you can say harden the **** up or GTFO. but thats frankly a ******* retarted saying beucase everyone was will just get the **** out and you have a dead game.
is that want you want only a game where the elite can play and everyone else can just **** off?? (thats sounds harser than intended but thats all im getting for the 1% here. this does not lead to fun game play where not here for your entertainment. this is a game where it is fun for everyone.
my point is in EvE i can do somthing else and still be taking part, in dust their is no other option, so everyone just quits and you have a dead game mode |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:11:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:SoTa while i agree with you to a point, not everybody wants to a second job, or has a natural talent to be awesome at shooters, i dont mind their being leage play for the top teams who get a kick out of being the best, but in a Video game NOONE should every be shut out of content beucase their not good enough.
all that does is create a negative feedback loop where, newbs cant get in and the eltie just drop out one by one, till its only the best team left. this IS what happend in global agenda and it IS!! whats happening here.
no point you bagging on everybody to get better, we dont want to so your not going to get the games you want thats life. nobody will log onto a game to get thier asses kicked. so their needs to be a way for everyone to take part with out getting face rolled or IMPS we just win dust at the game will die.
because every other corp in this game cant get their **** together
edit:
put a very sort way.
Even if a SUCK BALLS at EvE their is a job for me that i can do.
if i suck balls in Dust, might as well not play. <-- their is the problem I'm glad you said this because I've been wanting to say something for a while IF YOU DO NOT PUT TIME AND DEDICATION INTO THIS GAME YOU WEREN'T GOING TO GET ANYWHERE TO BEGIN WITH. Do you really expect in any FPS game that the average joe has a chance against guy who put up time and energy to be the best? That's what you guys are facing. League of Infamy, Negative Feedback, EoN, all put time and energy into being the best and are now THE best. The guy who has work has it rough - no doubt and it's not fair - but what part of this game is fair? Plenty of NF guys have work and are still considered the best so it's not an all that viable excuse. EVE would never hire a losing team so this outcome of "Do or gtfo" has been expected from the beginning. Not saying I don't feel for those who can't put time and energy into this - just that this is something they should of seen coming. And new guys will eventually catch up - but it's quiet a grind. I think this is fail personally, but it is what it is. This game was always - in my eyes - intended to be a cruel universe where the strong survive. So htfu or gtfo. :D thier is nothing wrong with that mindset but it does not work in a MMO where need everyone needs to take part you cant have an open game modes where its just the 3 best units kicking everyone elses ass, you can say harden the **** up or GTFO. but thats frankly a ******* retarted saying beucase everyone was will just get the **** out and you have a dead game. is that want you want only a game where the elite can play and everyone else can just **** off?? (thats sounds harser than intended but thats all im getting for the 1% here. this does not lead to fun game play where not here for your entertainment. this is a game where it is fun for everyone. my point is in EvE i can do somthing else and still be taking part, in dust their is no other option, so everyone just quits and you have a dead game mode Sounds like you want PvE. PC was always intended for the elite and dedicated and not the casual. Eventually the casual can try PC but likely will get stomped. There is NOTHING CCP can do to change that. All they can do is pacify complaints by giving other options for people to play as the elites play the core of this game.
Even with more districts opened up you're just going to see the small guy get picked on everywhere. It's an unavoidable fate and part of the FPS genre. And then in return the even bigger groups will pick on them, and then bigger groups on them, and so forth and so on. Once EVE can send us contracts it's going to get even worse as elites dominate.
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Bob Teller
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
2
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:11:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:
right now noone wants to take part in PC beucase its the A-team club, NO corp is going to field bad players by choice and no players want to spend 1 hour squaring off on the imperfects because they Know they will lose. i am still shocked PC was not tested in any shape or form this could have pointed out at the early stages and fixed
It's sad to see in an FPS people aren't competitive. I would be striving for the next level of excellence - but it seems everyone is just fine with rolling over and blaming CCP for there problems :( It's not that people are not competitive,it's that most of us have jobs and we cant play the game 6hours a day like the try hards do.Dont forget that this game have a persistant progression system,so basiclly to reach the (level of exellence) you talk about,you need to sacrifica a lot. |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
678
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Posted - 2013.06.09 16:38:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:SoTa while i agree with you to a point, not everybody wants to a second job, or has a natural talent to be awesome at shooters, i dont mind their being leage play for the top teams who get a kick out of being the best, but in a Video game NOONE should every be shut out of content beucase their not good enough.
all that does is create a negative feedback loop where, newbs cant get in and the eltie just drop out one by one, till its only the best team left. this IS what happend in global agenda and it IS!! whats happening here.
no point you bagging on everybody to get better, we dont want to so your not going to get the games you want thats life. nobody will log onto a game to get thier asses kicked. so their needs to be a way for everyone to take part with out getting face rolled or IMPS we just win dust at the game will die.
because every other corp in this game cant get their **** together
edit:
put a very sort way.
Even if a SUCK BALLS at EvE their is a job for me that i can do.
if i suck balls in Dust, might as well not play. <-- their is the problem I'm glad you said this because I've been wanting to say something for a while IF YOU DO NOT PUT TIME AND DEDICATION INTO THIS GAME YOU WEREN'T GOING TO GET ANYWHERE TO BEGIN WITH. Do you really expect in any FPS game that the average joe has a chance against guy who put up time and energy to be the best? That's what you guys are facing. League of Infamy, Negative Feedback, EoN, all put time and energy into being the best and are now THE best. The guy who has work has it rough - no doubt and it's not fair - but what part of this game is fair? Plenty of NF guys have work and are still considered the best so it's not an all that viable excuse. EVE would never hire a losing team so this outcome of "Do or gtfo" has been expected from the beginning. Not saying I don't feel for those who can't put time and energy into this - just that this is something they should of seen coming. And new guys will eventually catch up - but it's quiet a grind. I think this is fail personally, but it is what it is. This game was always - in my eyes - intended to be a cruel universe where the strong survive. So htfu or gtfo. :D thier is nothing wrong with that mindset but it does not work in a MMO where need everyone needs to take part you cant have an open game modes where its just the 3 best units kicking everyone elses ass, you can say harden the **** up or GTFO. but thats frankly a ******* retarted saying beucase everyone was will just get the **** out and you have a dead game. is that want you want only a game where the elite can play and everyone else can just **** off?? (thats sounds harser than intended but thats all im getting for the 1% here. this does not lead to fun game play where not here for your entertainment. this is a game where it is fun for everyone. my point is in EvE i can do somthing else and still be taking part, in dust their is no other option, so everyone just quits and you have a dead game mode Sounds like you want PvE. PC was always intended for the elite and dedicated and not the casual. Eventually the casual can try PC but likely will get stomped. There is NOTHING CCP can do to change that. All they can do is pacify complaints by giving other options for people to play as the elites play the core of this game. Even with more districts opened up you're just going to see the small guy get picked on everywhere. It's an unavoidable fate and part of the FPS genre. And then in return the even bigger groups will pick on them, and then bigger groups on them, and so forth and so on. Once EVE can send us contracts it's going to get even worse as elites dominate.
A PVE option i think would do dust a world of good, as then i would have somthing else to do and casuals can go to that intested of getting facerolled :). i agree a big problem of FPSs is that the bully in the sandbox will always find you no matter how big you make it. and is somthing that we keep hearing about but never seeing
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Disturbingly Bored
Universal Allies Inc.
260
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Posted - 2013.06.09 19:14:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote: and is somthing that we keep hearing about but never seeing
I'm assuming you're talking about the PVE mode here. I agree it'd do a world of good as well (big caveat: AS LONG AS IT'S FUN).
Hell, the intro video to DUST used to show drones flying around the map shooting at things. Seems like PVE has been "in the works" since the game's inception. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
535
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Posted - 2013.06.09 19:25:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Losing an attack should not give the attackers the re-attack at the next RT option. Only a successful attack should do that.
Give successful defenders the ability to set the timer to any point in the next 24 hrs. They'd then have the choice of either keeping attackers off their back for an extra day, or forcing the next battle into a more palletable time. |
HowDidThatTaste
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2640
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Posted - 2013.06.09 19:33:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Django Quik wrote:Losing an attack should not give the attackers the re-attack at the next RT option. Only a successful attack should do that. Give successful defenders the ability to set the timer to any point in the next 24 hrs. They'd then have the choice of either keeping attackers off their back for an extra day, or forcing the next battle into a more palletable time.
I'm just not sure why we couldn't just keep attacking back to back. We are all sitting around ready to go let's keep the fighting going. Both parties agree to fight again within 10 minutes of the battle being over. If one party is done we go back to the 24 hr deal. Also to allow more zerging by corps that are large but maybe not as skilled if they can somehow attack with multiple teams at the same time, essentially forcing corps to dig deeper in their roster. Also it makes fielding teams more strategic.
( not sure How it would work but trying to figure a way larger groups can play and be relevant) |
ReGnYuM
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
124
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Posted - 2013.06.09 19:42:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Well, I'm out.
The mere performance of PC is so bad that it shouldn't be played at all in its current state.
Its not fun to play a FPS game when your bullets register only when the game feels like it....
RIP my favourite Elephant. May our paths meet again, in hopefully, a more reliable shooter.
o7 |
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KingBabar
The-Butterfly-Effect
763
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:14:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:KingBabar wrote:Well, I'm out.
The mere performance of PC is so bad that it shouldn't be played at all in its current state.
Its not fun to play a FPS game when your bullets register only when the game feels like it....
RIP my favourite Elephant. May our paths meet again, in hopefully, a more reliable shooter. o7
Damn! Paths meeting = 1 dead elephant...
Thanks, why does it seem like so many Imps actually respect me? I don't get it. I'm merely a scrub who likes to throw nades....
I've actually had one of the most fun days in Dust today, playing solo in pub games. Engaging larger groups solo is challenging, and I love to leave a trail of RE's when they chase me. I've had so many near death experiences saved by them its almost temting to start recording again....
I'll stick around to hit my cap, there just isn't any other FPS's out there I want to play. With a little luck Dust will be decent by the time another game comes along.... |
XANDERBEE
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:15:00 -
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Bob Teller wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:
right now noone wants to take part in PC beucase its the A-team club, NO corp is going to field bad players by choice and no players want to spend 1 hour squaring off on the imperfects because they Know they will lose. i am still shocked PC was not tested in any shape or form this could have pointed out at the early stages and fixed
It's sad to see in an FPS people aren't competitive. I would be striving for the next level of excellence - but it seems everyone is just fine with rolling over and blaming CCP for there problems :( It's not that people are not competitive,it's that most of us have jobs and we cant play the game 6hours a day like the try hards do.Dont forget that this game have a persistant progression system,so basiclly to reach the (level of exellence) you talk about,you need to sacrifica a lot.
You can do what Sota did and other players that are "competitive" and join an already top corp and then get on the forums and troll everyone on how good at the game you are because you are able to find an already elite corp. |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
170
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:53:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:i have a few ideas for PC just need to time to hit up into a post and get someone to spell check it :P.
i strongly belive that it should shift to either 24/7 system. or PC is done the same way player owned stations are. you spend a LONG time building up what you need to own it. You get it with some awesome bonuses it, downside it can be attacked at any time with once chance to defend it following a raid. This way you have downtime and everybody gets to take part as if your not in during a raid other members of the corp can fill in.
right now noone wants to take part in PC beucase its the A-team club, NO corp is going to field bad players by choice and no players want to spend 1 hour squaring off on the imperfects because they Know they will lose. i am still shocked PC was not tested in any shape or form this could have pointed out at the early stages and fixed Speak for yourself, last night we had a battle vs. Internal Error without some of our best and without most of our usual leaders. We didn't scramble for ringers, we threw in the 16 we had, did our best, and got smoked, but we learned some things and will hopefully be better for it later. Now i hope the new neighbors aren't too noisy, crazy kids :D |
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