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Dr Poopypants
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:42:00 -
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I used them from January, I used them each month, I use them now. I will still use them after the nerf. It won't matter in the grip of a steady and learned hand.
You guys all target the Tactical Assault Rifles, but... it is the hard range that is the real thing, not the weapons. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
124
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:43:00 -
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Dont tell them that, next thing you know the tac rifles will only shoot 5 meters but still have a scope |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:45:00 -
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I don't see why more people don't use the Scrambler Rifles... Today I've one-shotted a full HP assault with the advanced single-shot variant. They are much better than assault rifles if you spec into them fully, the damage bonus from proficiency really makes it like a super TAR. |
Cosgar's Alt
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:46:00 -
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You should be glad it's getting nerfed. It's a skill intensive weapon that's been associated to scrubs with modded controllers. Once it gets nerfed, you can tell people they have no excuse now. Want a point of reference? I'm a logi with a MD. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
672
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:46:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I don't see why more people don't use the Scrambler Rifles... Today I've one-shotted a full HP assault with the advanced single-shot variant. They are much better than assault rifles if you spec into them fully, the damage bonus from proficiency really makes it like a super TAR.
Yeah.... hes right.....
NERF THE SCRAMBLER RIFLE! |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
125
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:49:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I don't see why more people don't use the Scrambler Rifles... Today I've one-shotted a full HP assault with the advanced single-shot variant. They are much better than assault rifles if you spec into them fully, the damage bonus from proficiency really makes it like a super TAR.
I think there are two reasons people dont go into the scram rifle, the first being that they already skilled ARs all the way up and dont want to do it all over again with a new weapon and the second is that the weapons overheat discourages bullet spamming hoping for the half dozen or so shots needed to put someone down |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:02:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I don't see why more people don't use the Scrambler Rifles... Today I've one-shotted a full HP assault with the advanced single-shot variant. They are much better than assault rifles if you spec into them fully, the damage bonus from proficiency really makes it like a super TAR.
Its not about power.
Its about race.
Gallente 4 eva |
Zero Harpuia
WarRavens
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:06:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I don't see why more people don't use the Scrambler Rifles... Today I've one-shotted a full HP assault with the advanced single-shot variant. They are much better than assault rifles if you spec into them fully, the damage bonus from proficiency really makes it like a super TAR. I think there are two reasons people dont go into the scram rifle, the first being that they already skilled ARs all the way up and dont want to do it all over again with a new weapon and the second is that the weapons overheat discourages bullet spamming hoping for the half dozen or so shots needed to put someone down
Plus it has shorter range and to get these OHKs you have to charge and aim for the head. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:07:00 -
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Dr Poopypants wrote:I used them from January, I used them each month, I use them now. I will still use them after the nerf. It won't matter in the grip of a steady and learned hand.
You guys all target the Tactical Assault Rifles, but... it is the hard range that is the real thing, not the weapons. You're missing the point.
NO ONE cares about getting killed by a Tac rifle at range. It's a long range weapon. That's what it's supposed to do.
What people care about is the thing being better at CQC than not just standard ARs, but even bloody shotguns. The gun is better than any other Light weapon right now, and that's the issue.
The only thing people want is for it to fit into its niche while not shoving all the other weapons out of their's. |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:14:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Dr Poopypants wrote:I used them from January, I used them each month, I use them now. I will still use them after the nerf. It won't matter in the grip of a steady and learned hand.
You guys all target the Tactical Assault Rifles, but... it is the hard range that is the real thing, not the weapons. You're missing the point. NO ONE cares about getting killed by a Tac rifle at range. It's a long range weapon. That's what it's supposed to do. What people care about is the thing being better at CQC than not just standard ARs, but even bloody shotguns. The gun is better than any other Light weapon right now, and that's the issue. The only thing people want is for it to fit into its niche while not shoving all the other weapons out of their's. At last somebody else with sense +1 |
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Yeva Kalsani
Reckoners
114
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:24:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Dr Poopypants wrote:I used them from January, I used them each month, I use them now. I will still use them after the nerf. It won't matter in the grip of a steady and learned hand.
You guys all target the Tactical Assault Rifles, but... it is the hard range that is the real thing, not the weapons. You're missing the point. NO ONE cares about getting killed by a Tac rifle at range. It's a long range weapon. That's what it's supposed to do. What people care about is the thing being better at CQC than not just standard ARs, but even bloody shotguns. The gun is better than any other Light weapon right now, and that's the issue. The only thing people want is for it to fit into its niche while not shoving all the other weapons out of their's.
This.
Outclassing CQC weapons in CQC situations, outclassing other ARs in rate of fire and DPS thanks to modded controllers; these are the issues with this weapon's current lack of balance.
And if you continue to use them successfully after they get nerfed, more power to you; you'll have the bragging rights and nobody will have an excuse. |
Rynoceros
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:34:00 -
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That's what I said about shotguns, until CQC lag became so bad that it took 2 or 3 shots at point blank to register a single hit.
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Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:31:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Dr Poopypants wrote:I used them from January, I used them each month, I use them now. I will still use them after the nerf. It won't matter in the grip of a steady and learned hand.
You guys all target the Tactical Assault Rifles, but... it is the hard range that is the real thing, not the weapons. You're missing the point. NO ONE cares about getting killed by a Tac rifle at range. It's a long range weapon. That's what it's supposed to do. What people care about is the thing being better at CQC than not just standard ARs, but even bloody shotguns. The gun is better than any other Light weapon right now, and that's the issue. The only thing people want is for it to fit into its niche while not shoving all the other weapons out of their's.
Perfectly put good sir |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
149
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:48:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I don't see why more people don't use the Scrambler Rifles... Today I've one-shotted a full HP assault with the advanced single-shot variant. They are much better than assault rifles if you spec into them fully, the damage bonus from proficiency really makes it like a super TAR. Yeah.... hes right..... NERF THE SCRAMBLER RIFLE! You shall never get laid in your lifetime. |
ShakeMS
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:59:00 -
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Cosgar's Alt wrote:You should be glad it's getting nerfed. It's a skill intensive weapon that's been associated to scrubs with modded controllers. Once it gets nerfed, you can tell people they have no excuse now. Want a point of reference? I'm a logi with a MD.
Edit: And not the OP Caldari one either...
The also OP Minmatar? |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:26:00 -
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Dr Poopypants wrote:I used them from January, I used them each month, I use them now. I will still use them after the nerf. It won't matter in the grip of a steady and learned hand.
You guys all target the Tactical Assault Rifles, but... it is the hard range that is the real thing, not the weapons.
You're probably using them for their intended role, and will probably not even notice the hipfire nerf.
TacAR + SMG should be an absolute beast fitting, but right now you don't need the SMG to get the same results. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:30:00 -
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Honestly, the nerf next week reducing hip fire accuracy and clip size will probably balance the gun almost perfectly.
Its only powerful in close range cause you can spam it, and thats not gonna be nearly as effective anymore.
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Cosgar's Alt
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:36:00 -
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ShakeMS wrote:Cosgar's Alt wrote:You should be glad it's getting nerfed. It's a skill intensive weapon that's been associated to scrubs with modded controllers. Once it gets nerfed, you can tell people they have no excuse now. Want a point of reference? I'm a logi with a MD.
Edit: And not the OP Caldari one either... The also OP Minmatar? Yeah, my super OP Minmatar logi that outside of losing 55 shields and gaining an extra equipment slot at prototype level has been unchanged since the E3 build. With my super deadly racial bonus that's only effective in one game mode, I pile mountains of merc corpses at my whim. Redberries tremble in terror at my generous slot allocation at the cost of diminished base stats....
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Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.30 15:36:00 -
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SMG < Scrambler Pistol.
Honestly, right now, a good player should switch from TAR to Scrambler Pistol in CQ anyway. It has really similar stats to the TAR plus the massiive headshot bonus. It has a lower clip size, which makes it a bit higher risk, but being able to one shot, or nearly one shot folks is worth it.
This is honestly what people are missing in the TAR discussion. Your experience wont change much with a TAR nerf. The only difference is CQ you'll die to Assault Scrambler Pistol instead of TAR. The Scrambler pistol, in decent hands is a beast within its range.
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IR Scifi
Silver Talon Corporation
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:01:00 -
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Cosgar's Alt wrote:ShakeMS wrote:Cosgar's Alt wrote:You should be glad it's getting nerfed. It's a skill intensive weapon that's been associated to scrubs with modded controllers. Once it gets nerfed, you can tell people they have no excuse now. Want a point of reference? I'm a logi with a MD.
Edit: And not the OP Caldari one either... The also OP Minmatar? Yeah, my super OP Minmatar logi that outside of losing 55 shields and gaining an extra equipment slot at prototype level has been unchanged since the E3 build. With my super deadly racial bonus that's only effective in one game mode, I pile mountains of merc corpses at my whim. Redberries tremble in terror at my generous slot allocation at the cost of diminished base stats....
As a fellow minny logi with a MD, I have to say five star post friend. I'd love to see a squad of redberries turn and run in fear at me but usually they just laugh and continue forward, sometimes not even bothering to shoot me. |
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Cosgar's Alt
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:04:00 -
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IR Scifi wrote:Cosgar's Alt wrote:ShakeMS wrote:Cosgar's Alt wrote:You should be glad it's getting nerfed. It's a skill intensive weapon that's been associated to scrubs with modded controllers. Once it gets nerfed, you can tell people they have no excuse now. Want a point of reference? I'm a logi with a MD.
Edit: And not the OP Caldari one either... The also OP Minmatar? Yeah, my super OP Minmatar logi that outside of losing 55 shields and gaining an extra equipment slot at prototype level has been unchanged since the E3 build. With my super deadly racial bonus that's only effective in one game mode, I pile mountains of merc corpses at my whim. Redberries tremble in terror at my generous slot allocation at the cost of diminished base stats.... As a fellow minny logi with a MD, I have to say five star post friend. I'd love to see a squad of redberries turn and run in fear at me but usually they just laugh and continue forward, sometimes not even bothering to shoot me. Yeah, I know the MD nerf hurt. But since it's easier to land direct hits, try the breach out. That thing is a beast when you hit someone in the chest since it counts splash damage as a head shot. |
Dj grammer
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
2
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Posted - 2013.05.31 10:19:00 -
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Cosgar's Alt wrote:You should be glad it's getting nerfed. It's a skill intensive weapon that's been associated to scrubs with modded controllers. Once it gets nerfed, you can tell people they have no excuse now. Want a point of reference? I'm a logi with a MD.
Edit: And not the OP Caldari one either...
Pretty much the main reason I stopped using the TAC's (Yes I also abused the crap out of them before realizing something). The modded controllers ruined them. But think of it this way, ever since the respec I woiuld love to say at least a 1/3 of the dust community spec right into AR's since the TAC's were running rampart. I did the math the Duvolle TAC at full proficiency would do 90.275hp/bullet and that is not accounting the light damage modifiers. Even worse there are players running militia gear with the TAC's on. I FULLY agree that the TAC's should be a skill intense weapon. We'll see what CCP does next week. As of now they are just increasing hip-fire to make it less reliable in CQC, a decrease in the RoF which is to stop the modded controllers as well as spamming the crap out of the trigger, and to make it even more skill intensive they are reducing the number of rounds per magazine.
Keep in mind though if this doesn't work, they will decrease the damage they will do |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
336
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Posted - 2013.05.31 10:27:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:I don't see why more people don't use the Scrambler Rifles... Today I've one-shotted a full HP assault with the advanced single-shot variant. They are much better than assault rifles if you spec into them fully, the damage bonus from proficiency really makes it like a super TAR. Yeah.... hes right..... NERF THE SCRAMBLER RIFLE!
Fully speced scrambler with double complex mods...I own a few and the are very strong. They will be cried about very soon. |
Anthem Of Chaos
No-Mercy Get in the Van.
13
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Posted - 2013.05.31 11:01:00 -
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Where is the link to this patch, been outta the loop lately and apparently missed some juicy news |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
487
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Posted - 2013.05.31 11:09:00 -
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Can't wait until the Tac AR's are nerfed, maybe then this game will be fun again without all the noobs using it.
Hope CCP doesn't chicken out and give them some wussy nerf, as they need to be made useless before they can be balanced. |
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