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10mg PLUMBUM
Academy Inferno CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.16 07:35:00 -
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I cant understand the abilities of the new tanks, less PG and CPU.
Old Caldari Tank:
Gunnlogi CPU 330 PG 1805
New Caldari tank:
Falchion CPU 320 = less than 10 CPU, but more slots PG 1805 = same as old
Old Gallente tank:
Madrugar CPU 210 PG 2690
New Gallente tank:
Vayu CPU 210 = same as old PG 2490 = less than 200 PG, but more slots
Why need more slots, but with less CPU/PG?
So where am i can use large prototype turrets? (I thought that prototype for these Enforcer HAVs)
if only do not use any armor plates, you can use it .
Please make more CPU/PG at the new tanks |
Renolissa
Academy Inferno CRONOS.
60
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Posted - 2013.05.16 11:38:00 -
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i agree |
Hellsatano
Academy Inferno CRONOS.
6
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:12:00 -
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+1 |
Farsund Solheim
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
6
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Posted - 2013.05.16 17:32:00 -
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If you read the description of these tanks, you will understand better their role and the restrictions associated with them.
"The Enforcer class possesses the greatest damage output and offensive reach of all HAV's, but the necessary hull modifications needed to achieve this result in weakened armor and shield output and greatly compromised speed."
Skill tree description: "Gallente Enforcer HAV. Unlocks the ability to use Gallente Enforcer HAV's. +3% to blaster damage and range per level. +2% to maximum zoom per level."
This tank is not for front-line deployment, and should instead be well back of the battle, engaging and bombarding enemies from long range. As such, it has been given limited PG output in order to hamper it's close range survivability. Personally, i have lost 3, equaling almost 7million ISK, of these bad boys, each and every time as a result of me forgetting the role of this vehicle and getting involved in the thick of things and getting blown up, and rightly so. This is NOT the Marauder class HAV, like the Sagaris or Surya (which has been temporarily removed from the game for balancing). They were intended as a more heavily armored big brother of the standard tanks, meant to walk into the middle of engagements and soak up damage.
Equip your tank with the proper mods (light armor repairer, heavy armor plates, turret damage boosters in low slots, and an active heat sink and active scanner in high slot), place yourself at a higher elevation behind the front lines, and have an escape route planned. Doing so you will have no problem keeping yourself alive, and still allow you to make meaningful contributions to the battle you are participating in. |
10mg PLUMBUM
Academy Inferno CRONOS.
260
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:53:00 -
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Farsund Solheim wrote:If you read the description of these tanks, you will understand better their role and the restrictions associated with them.
"The Enforcer class possesses the greatest damage output and offensive reach of all HAV's, but the necessary hull modifications needed to achieve this result in weakened armor and shield output and greatly compromised speed."
Skill tree description: "Gallente Enforcer HAV. Unlocks the ability to use Gallente Enforcer HAV's. +3% to blaster damage and range per level. +2% to maximum zoom per level."
This tank is not for front-line deployment, and should instead be well back of the battle, engaging and bombarding enemies from long range. As such, it has been given limited PG output in order to hamper it's close range survivability. Personally, i have lost 3, equaling almost 7million ISK, of these bad boys, each and every time as a result of me forgetting the role of this vehicle and getting involved in the thick of things and getting blown up, and rightly so. This is NOT the Marauder class HAV, like the Sagaris or Surya (which has been temporarily removed from the game for balancing). They were intended as a more heavily armored big brother of the standard tanks, meant to walk into the middle of engagements and soak up damage.
Equip your tank with the proper mods (light armor repairer, heavy armor plates, turret damage boosters in low slots, and an active heat sink and active scanner in high slot), place yourself at a higher elevation behind the front lines, and have an escape route planned. Doing so you will have no problem keeping yourself alive, and still allow you to make meaningful contributions to the battle you are participating in.
Proto Large Blaster + as u say is impossible, so where i can use it? And these bonuses don't give me more, it's only little bonus. |
Tankin Tarkus
Quafe Runners
9
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:23:00 -
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itll be tough to fit but try getting an 80GJ stabilized blaster and a couple missile turrets to take advantage of its damage/range boosts i got a stabilized blaster on a madrugar and its actually rather nice |
Infamous Erich
Inf4m0us ROFL BROS
5
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Posted - 2013.05.17 09:27:00 -
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Yea right now HAV Enforcers are pretty much useless, unless you use the shield proto to do 3x damage mods for your rail its only way I can kick out any high damage lol |
JX1
Goonfeet
28
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:37:00 -
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In Chromosome I kitted out a LAV with boosters and nitro and shields no problem, had a great time enjoying the last moments of those wacked out physics.
In this I cannot fit a nitro because of the PG nerf, and "this" is on a character on another account with over 2 million points put in vehicle upgrades.
This illustrates how overly harsh the CPU/PG nerf was. Would like to see those numbers tweaked. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Planetary Response Organisation
302
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:40:00 -
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Quote:Enforcer HAV = Lack CPU/PG
Data type mismatch exception |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
57
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Posted - 2013.07.03 03:47:00 -
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By the descriptions of them; they are specialized GÇÿSniper TanksGÇÖ. |
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10mg PLUMBUM
M.O.R.T.I.F.E.R.U.M.
378
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Posted - 2013.08.02 14:03:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:By the descriptions of them; they are specialized GÇÿSniper TanksGÇÖ.
Edit: I wouldn't want to take a base priced 1.2 million ISK tank to the front lines not to mention if it was advanced/proto fitted. That would be a very expensive loss! How it can be sniper if its have bonus for rockets and blaster?
Working distance of rockets and blaster 100-200 meters
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Harpyja
DUST University Ivy League
423
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Posted - 2013.08.02 14:06:00 -
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My Gunnlogi is a better railgun sniper than the Falchion. So much for the Falchion's intended role of bombarding at range. |
10mg PLUMBUM
M.O.R.T.I.F.E.R.U.M.
378
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Posted - 2013.08.02 14:09:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:My Gunnlogi is a better railgun sniper than the Falchion. So much for the Falchion's intended role of bombarding at range. Do you remember bonuses? |
Harpyja
DUST University Ivy League
425
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Posted - 2013.08.02 14:12:00 -
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10mg PLUMBUM wrote:Harpyja wrote:My Gunnlogi is a better railgun sniper than the Falchion. So much for the Falchion's intended role of bombarding at range. Did you remember bonuses? Yes I do. It's not a question about bonuses, but a question about fitting abilities. Sure it can fit three damage mods, but my Gunnlogi's EHP is much higher with only two damage mods which means it's a better sniper overall. |
10mg PLUMBUM
M.O.R.T.I.F.E.R.U.M.
378
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Posted - 2013.08.02 14:42:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:10mg PLUMBUM wrote:Harpyja wrote:My Gunnlogi is a better railgun sniper than the Falchion. So much for the Falchion's intended role of bombarding at range. Did you remember bonuses? Yes I do. It's not a question about bonuses, but a question about fitting abilities. Sure it can fit three damage mods, but my Gunnlogi's EHP is much higher with only two damage mods which means it's a better sniper overall.
Bonus for Falchion +2% damage to rocket turrets per level. Bonus not for railgun. Or you can say that you can be sniper from rockets?)))) here we talked about useless of the tank at all. that bonus for nothing. |
Harpyja
DUST University Ivy League
425
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Posted - 2013.08.02 14:45:00 -
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10mg PLUMBUM wrote:Harpyja wrote:10mg PLUMBUM wrote:Harpyja wrote:My Gunnlogi is a better railgun sniper than the Falchion. So much for the Falchion's intended role of bombarding at range. Did you remember bonuses? Yes I do. It's not a question about bonuses, but a question about fitting abilities. Sure it can fit three damage mods, but my Gunnlogi's EHP is much higher with only two damage mods which means it's a better sniper overall. Bonus for Falchion +2% damage to rocket turrets per level. Bonus not for railgun. Or you can say that you can be sniper from rockets?)))) here we talked about useless of the tank at all. that bonus for nothing.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
386
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Posted - 2013.08.02 16:10:00 -
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Give to a tank for long range engagement, a bonus on blaster, is not very logic, does it works? Somobody have at least level 3 gallente enforcer skill? Another question/ think: specialistic dropsuits cost less than their basic frame counterpart, why do enforcers HAV cost more than their basic frame counterpart?
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Stalken Pathfinder
Shadow Company HQ
33
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Posted - 2013.08.02 17:54:00 -
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I have Gallente Enforcer 3 and Vayu is absolutely useless IMHO and a waste of perfectly good SP.
Falchion seems decent but I'm an armor tanker...
Both are a waste of ISK at current price. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
881
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Posted - 2013.08.02 18:38:00 -
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the enforcers are giant contradictions, they give range bonuses to turrets that aren't meant for range, the blaster is only good for close range, the missile is good for medium range, the railgun is god for any range yet the enforcers try to make the blaster act like a railgun when it cannot shoot past maybe 100 or less meters away |
10mg PLUMBUM
M.O.R.T.I.F.E.R.U.M.
383
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Posted - 2013.08.04 11:41:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Somobody have at least level 3 gallente enforcer skill?
I have 5 lvl gallente enforcer skill 3.7kk to the hell because of it and i asked, WTF? |
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Tebu Gan
CrimeWave Syndicate
4
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Posted - 2013.08.04 22:27:00 -
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10mg PLUMBUM wrote:I cant understand the abilities of the new tanks, less PG and CPU.
Old Caldari Tank:
Gunnlogi CPU 330 PG 1805
New Caldari tank:
Falchion CPU 320 = less than 10 CPU, but more slots PG 1805 = same as old
Old Gallente tank:
Madrugar CPU 210 PG 2690
New Gallente tank:
Vayu CPU 210 = same as old PG 2490 = less than 200 PG, but more slots
Why need more slots, but with less CPU/PG?
So where am i can use large prototype turrets? (I thought that prototype for these Enforcer HAVs)
if only do not use any armor plates, you can use it .
Please make more CPU/PG for the new tanks
Yeah people have been saying this for months. On the shield version of the enforcer you can equip an extra PG booster in your low for a total of 3, I can see that being of some little use in maxing you modules, even then it is a very small boost not worth it. Since the OFFICIAL release of the game, vehicles have go shat on. And no word whatsoever on anything in the future, aside from the little sneak peak at pilot dropsuits. Even then, the suits do nothing at all to address the big problems with vehicles.
Oh and these tanks cost 1.2 mil compared to the 200k isk of the originals. Not worth it, and nothing about this is being addressed from the DEVS. . |
DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
0
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Posted - 2013.08.05 04:49:00 -
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I use a missle Falchion and keep the range at about 300M. It is extremely effective once you get used to the tank and can aim a missle turret. Ive killed infantry in one burst consistently at about 350M, it gets a little harder after that. But i can destroy installations and Somas in two bursts, and i dont even have an ADV large missle.(im about to tho ) I just use the standard Accelerated missle for now. |
DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
0
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Posted - 2013.08.05 04:51:00 -
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Has anyone even TRIED to missle snipe? It actually very effective..... |
10mg PLUMBUM
M.O.R.T.I.F.E.R.U.M.
391
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Posted - 2013.08.05 07:04:00 -
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tank against installations by the 2 mil isk. Great and fantastic, never think about it. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
617
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Posted - 2013.08.05 11:12:00 -
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DarthJT5 wrote:I use a missle Falchion and keep the range at about 300M. It is extremely effective once you get used to the tank and can aim a missle turret. Ive killed infantry in one burst consistently at about 350M, it gets a little harder after that. But i can destroy installations and Somas in two bursts, and i dont even have an ADV large missle.(im about to tho ) I just use the standard Accelerated missle for now.
Eek wrong range on your falchion the missiles have a base range of 250m and with my fully specked falchion I can hit up to 286m just saying. |
10mg PLUMBUM
M.O.R.T.I.F.E.R.U.M.
391
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Posted - 2013.08.05 12:51:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:DarthJT5 wrote:I use a missle Falchion and keep the range at about 300M. It is extremely effective once you get used to the tank and can aim a missle turret. Ive killed infantry in one burst consistently at about 350M, it gets a little harder after that. But i can destroy installations and Somas in two bursts, and i dont even have an ADV large missle.(im about to tho ) I just use the standard Accelerated missle for now. Eek wrong range on your falchion the missiles have a base range of 250m and with my fully specked falchion I can hit up to 286m just saying. good sniper |
Tebu Gan
CrimeWave Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2013.08.05 13:25:00 -
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10mg PLUMBUM wrote:pegasis prime wrote:DarthJT5 wrote:I use a missle Falchion and keep the range at about 300M. It is extremely effective once you get used to the tank and can aim a missle turret. Ive killed infantry in one burst consistently at about 350M, it gets a little harder after that. But i can destroy installations and Somas in two bursts, and i dont even have an ADV large missle.(im about to tho ) I just use the standard Accelerated missle for now. Eek wrong range on your falchion the missiles have a base range of 250m and with my fully specked falchion I can hit up to 286m just saying. good sniper
Missile Sniping??? Cool and all but if you go for sniping, why the hell would you use an enforcer with missiles. Gotta get far to close to the main battle, not worth the risk, most you are going to make in the match is 250k to 500k if you are very lucky.
Last night I ran a match with 2.5 WP and 500k isk. That rarely happens, and I was rail sniping. Got nearly every installation and took out 4 milita tanks. Biggest thing in that match, absolutely no AV, and the tanks were terrible shots.
Go ahead and pull out that falcion, I LOVE blowing you guys up with my 200k gunnlogi, I'll even give ya a chance and roll out my blaster.
And here's a note, they may have the HIGHEST damage output, but that is minimal compared to the output of a rail sniper. And other thing why would I spend 1.2 million on this thing when I can already 3 shot a bolas in my gunnlogi????? Still going to take 3 shots to drop one!! |
Tebu Gan
CrimeWave Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2013.08.05 13:35:00 -
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DarthJT5 wrote:Has anyone even TRIED to missle snipe? It actually very effective.....
I would like to see you in game, I want to see this "missile snipe". Then I'm going to blow you up. You must not have many points into tanking, or you are one of those dudes I keep killing. |
10mg PLUMBUM
M.O.R.T.I.F.E.R.U.M.
391
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Posted - 2013.08.05 14:25:00 -
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CCP Fix it, change bonuses or delete it. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
618
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Posted - 2013.08.05 14:38:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:10mg PLUMBUM wrote:pegasis prime wrote:DarthJT5 wrote:I use a missle Falchion and keep the range at about 300M. It is extremely effective once you get used to the tank and can aim a missle turret. Ive killed infantry in one burst consistently at about 350M, it gets a little harder after that. But i can destroy installations and Somas in two bursts, and i dont even have an ADV large missle.(im about to tho ) I just use the standard Accelerated missle for now. Eek wrong range on your falchion the missiles have a base range of 250m and with my fully specked falchion I can hit up to 286m just saying. good sniper Missile Sniping??? Cool and all but if you go for sniping, why the hell would you use an enforcer with missiles. Gotta get far to close to the main battle, not worth the risk, most you are going to make in the match is 250k to 500k if you are very lucky. Last night I ran a match with 2.5 WP and 500k isk. That rarely happens, and I was rail sniping. Got nearly every installation and took out 4 milita tanks. Biggest thing in that match, absolutely no AV, and the tanks were terrible shots. Go ahead and pull out that falcion, I LOVE blowing you guys up with my 200k gunnlogi, I'll even give ya a chance and roll out my blaster. And here's a note, they may have the HIGHEST damage output, but that is minimal compared to the output of a rail sniper. And other thing why would I spend 1.2 million on this thing when I can already 3 shot a bolas in my gunnlogi????? Still going to take 3 shots to drop one!!
Acctually a fully maxed out falchion with proto accelerated missiles has tge highest alph dammage in the game provifing all your missiles hit. |
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Epicsting pro
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
73
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:00:00 -
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A smart missile tank user only pull them out to counter blaster tanks. There raw damage make them amazing tank busters. |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
53
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:16:00 -
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Tanks arent meant to sit in the red line like pussies... use the bonuses to and role effectively by staying about 200m away from the fight at all times... dont charge in expecting nobody to have AV...
its a support tank, and you can support people fine from 400 meters with a railgun or 150 with missiles |
10mg PLUMBUM
M.O.R.T.I.F.E.R.U.M.
391
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:23:00 -
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Stands Alone wrote:Tanks arent meant to sit in the red line like pussies... use the bonuses to and role effectively by staying about 200m away from the fight at all times... dont charge in expecting nobody to have AV...
its a support tank, and you can support people fine from 400 meters with a railgun or 150 with missiles And forge gun and swarm lauchers will support you, after 15 second you will +50 +150 to somebody |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
53
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:24:00 -
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10mg PLUMBUM wrote:Stands Alone wrote:Tanks arent meant to sit in the red line like pussies... use the bonuses to and role effectively by staying about 200m away from the fight at all times... dont charge in expecting nobody to have AV...
its a support tank, and you can support people fine from 400 meters with a railgun or 150 with missiles And forge gun and swarm lauchers will support you, after 15 second you will +50 +150 to somebody
then dont use them. someone else will find a way to make use of it |
10mg PLUMBUM
M.O.R.T.I.F.E.R.U.M.
391
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:36:00 -
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Stands Alone wrote:10mg PLUMBUM wrote:Stands Alone wrote:Tanks arent meant to sit in the red line like pussies... use the bonuses to and role effectively by staying about 200m away from the fight at all times... dont charge in expecting nobody to have AV...
its a support tank, and you can support people fine from 400 meters with a railgun or 150 with missiles And forge gun and swarm launchers will support you, after 15 second you will +50 +150 to somebody then dont use them. someone else will find a way to make use of it after may more often we can see gunlogi and madrugar than those mystic tanks |
DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
2
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Posted - 2013.08.07 23:35:00 -
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I have a Logi LAV friend that makes my tanks nigh indestructable. He runs two remote sheild reppers on it and the other day we took two proto forges hitting us over and over. Never hit half shields. |
10mg PLUMBUM
M.O.R.T.I.F.E.R.U.M.
397
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Posted - 2013.08.08 14:30:00 -
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ok, looking for LAV logistic which will not pay attention to that moment that will received nothing instead me |
Tebu Gan
CrimeWave Syndicate
7
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Posted - 2013.08.08 16:38:00 -
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10mg PLUMBUM wrote:ok, looking for LAV logistic which will not pay attention to that moment that will received nothing instead me
Yeah, would be nice to have a logi LAV follow me around and heal, but as far as I know they do not receive any points for doing so. So as I run randoms with other randoms, the LAV logis are still going to be running around murder taxi ing it up, because you know, that gives them points.
I get the feeling that a lot of the people responding to numerous tank feedback, do not drive tanks themselves as a primary. Yes on paper it would seem the enforcer class has more damage output, but when you fit a 3rd damage mode, the bonus to damage is minimal, like 3 percent extra ( due to stacking penlties ). The zoom I assume applies to the tank itself and not the weapon (I am assuming this is how it works), so sniper tanking it would help a bit in that aspect.
As far as the shield enforcer is concerned, the low slot I see as a valuable slot, as you could equip a third pg booster, which in turn allows you to fit the best shield booster, as well as the best extender, then with 2 passive ward shield amplifiers and maybe another heal, but the best second heal I think you could still fit is a low end heal. Not sure if the PG output for the third pg mod is enough to fit 2 big heals, someone could verify this for me as I don't see a point in messing with enforcers.
But the thing people miss is if you run missiles or blasters on your tank, you want the best of the best tank related mods. To do this you can't run damage mods in your low (you could run one damage mod and 2 pg boosters and still have a good fit tank), you got to fit pg boosters to get the heavy tank mods.
Something people seem not to understand is even if you stay at max range with your missile or blaster, you are still painfully exposed. AV from up high can pummel you to pieces before you can even get pulled out of the engagement. People like to make it seem easy, oh well the description says it is a long range tank, yes I understand that, and for the cost that's where i would keep it most of the time, but where is the fun in that. What's a 1.2 million isk tank (just for the tank itself, no mods) worth if it simply sits up in the hills and it hardly gives you a boost in damage.
An extra 10% zoom and 3% damage over my old tank that costs a mere 200k isk, is hardly worth it for a sniper tank. I can already 3 shot a bolas. That small boost isn't going to drop that to 2 shots.
So to those who think running damage mods on your missile or blaster fit enforcer is a good idea, I can say you are not a good tanker. The mitigation is worth far more then what you gain in damage on those weapons.
I do run tanks, and typically run them with no losses (at least the games I've played the last few days) and I experiment with them lots. Climb out of that box a bit and play with all aspects of these tanks, that is the only way you can give good feedback!
Oh and as far as armor enforcers are concerned, sorry guys, less PG and an extra, completely useless high slot. Shields can equip for extra pg and not sacrifice any tanking potential, only add to it. While you cannot hope to do that with your version of the enforcer. Armor enforcers seem weak overall when stacked with a shield enforcer if you all get my drift.
The armor version seems more the rails only kind (no idea what you would do with that extra high slot??) while a shield version has quite a few possibilities in my eyes.
Still not worth the cost! |
DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
3
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Posted - 2013.08.09 04:28:00 -
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IF you get the Enforcer skill to the max(which i will NOT be doing. 3.7 mill SP? Hell no) you get 15% extra damage and range for the missles(Caldari) or blasters(Gallente). If you got that maxed, ADV turrets would be doing more damage than proto turrets, not counting turret skills or damage mods. Plus that extra zoom. I run the Falchion(i named it Snow White lolz) with the ADV large missles, and its already a force to be reckoned with. Im getting better and better at missle sniping infantry, and i can put out 2700 damage to armor in 1 burst. With one 7% damage mod. Thats alot. Now, dont get me wrong, it is HARD to use the Enforcer over the Standard, its slower, and its funny, pull one Falchion and all the AV in the map gravitates towards you... but, its very rewarding once you get good at it. I run 5100 shield with 30% passive reduction(dont have wards yet) large ADV accelerated missles, a ADV cyled missle in the bottom and an ADV scattered blaster on top, with 2 PG mods and and a damage mod. I love this tank. The Vayu? I see no advantage in using it over the Maddy. Seriously. What does that 3rd high slot do?! Not to mention the 200 less PG compared to 10 less Cpu on the Falchion...... that just gives no benefit. I can get 2500 PG on a Falchion, almost 2600. Because that 3rd low slot is very useful. |
Tebu Gan
CrimeWave Syndicate
10
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Posted - 2013.08.09 13:37:00 -
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DarthJT5 wrote:IF you get the Enforcer skill to the max(which i will NOT be doing. 3.7 mill SP? Hell no) you get 15% extra damage and range for the missles(Caldari) or blasters(Gallente). If you got that maxed, ADV turrets would be doing more damage than proto turrets, not counting turret skills or damage mods. Plus that extra zoom. I run the Falchion(i named it Snow White lolz) with the ADV large missles, and its already a force to be reckoned with. Im getting better and better at missle sniping infantry, and i can put out 2700 damage to armor in 1 burst. With one 7% damage mod. Thats alot. Now, dont get me wrong, it is HARD to use the Enforcer over the Standard, its slower, and its funny, pull one Falchion and all the AV in the map gravitates towards you... but, its very rewarding once you get good at it. I run 5100 shield with 30% passive reduction(dont have wards yet) large ADV accelerated missles, a ADV cyled missle in the bottom and an ADV scattered blaster on top, with 2 PG mods and and a damage mod. I love this tank. The Vayu? I see no advantage in using it over the Maddy. Seriously. What does that 3rd high slot do?! Not to mention the 200 less PG compared to 10 less Cpu on the Falchion...... that just gives no benefit. I can get 2500 PG on a Falchion, almost 2600. Because that 3rd low slot is very useful.
Sounds like you don't have the skills to use all the module's yet. I would suggest maxing those skills out before using the enforcer class on the field. And a good fit maddy will blow that tank of yours to bits, sorry.
Your numbers are wrong, 10% extra damage with the skill maxed. 10% extra zoom, nothing in there about the RANGE of you TURRET. No since in putting a damage mod on there, just put on another pg booster (x2 15% boosters, and one 7/7/7% booster). Another thing to note, my gunnlogi would eat that thing for breakfast with blasters fitted on.
You are clearly a new tanker so a word of advice, your luck will run out. Fit that thing with a rail so when things do get rough, you can call in your missile version and move on to sniping. I don't know if maybe you won these from the event, but they are crap all around if you have to buy them.
That being said though, I do see some usefulness in that low slot, but the COST. It isn't worth it to me just to gain a low slot.
My missile fit -Speed booster (For the enforcer version, the extra pg would allow me to equip another heal here, maybe a large but I haven't done the numbers on that yet, even another light extender, the speed is a huge asset though.) -Best extender (2100 hp) -x2 ward amplifier -Biggest large heal
- x2 15% pg boosters (on yours I would put the 7/7/7%, the one that bumps up shield hp and regen along with pg.)
-Frag or Accelerated missiles - small standard missiles(cheapest on pg, once you unlock all the modules you would understand.)
Then you could bump that HP to 5600 with a heavy heal and 34%resist or so. When you fit up a tank for close engagements, putting out the most damage isn't going to do you any good, especially when that tank is an enforcer. Your mitigation is the most important part of frontline tanking. If you want to do damage, then pull out a rail tank.
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
3
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Posted - 2013.08.09 15:04:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:DarthJT5 wrote:IF you get the Enforcer skill to the max(which i will NOT be doing. 3.7 mill SP? Hell no) you get 15% extra damage and range for the missles(Caldari) or blasters(Gallente). If you got that maxed, ADV turrets would be doing more damage than proto turrets, not counting turret skills or damage mods. Plus that extra zoom. I run the Falchion(i named it Snow White lolz) with the ADV large missles, and its already a force to be reckoned with. Im getting better and better at missle sniping infantry, and i can put out 2700 damage to armor in 1 burst. With one 7% damage mod. Thats alot. Now, dont get me wrong, it is HARD to use the Enforcer over the Standard, its slower, and its funny, pull one Falchion and all the AV in the map gravitates towards you... but, its very rewarding once you get good at it. I run 5100 shield with 30% passive reduction(dont have wards yet) large ADV accelerated missles, a ADV cyled missle in the bottom and an ADV scattered blaster on top, with 2 PG mods and and a damage mod. I love this tank. The Vayu? I see no advantage in using it over the Maddy. Seriously. What does that 3rd high slot do?! Not to mention the 200 less PG compared to 10 less Cpu on the Falchion...... that just gives no benefit. I can get 2500 PG on a Falchion, almost 2600. Because that 3rd low slot is very useful. Sounds like you don't have the skills to use all the module's yet. I would suggest maxing those skills out before using the enforcer class on the field. And a good fit maddy will blow that tank of yours to bits, sorry. Your numbers are wrong, 10% extra damage with the skill maxed. 10% extra zoom, nothing in there about the RANGE of you TURRET. No since in putting a damage mod on there, just put on another pg booster (x2 15% boosters, and one 7/7/7% booster). Another thing to note, my gunnlogi would eat that thing for breakfast with blasters fitted on. You are clearly a new tanker so a word of advice, your luck will run out. Fit that thing with a rail so when things do get rough, you can call in your missile version and move on to sniping. I don't know if maybe you won these from the event, but they are crap all around if you have to buy them. That being said though, I do see some usefulness in that low slot, but the COST. It isn't worth it to me just to gain a low slot. My missile fit -Speed booster (For the enforcer version, the extra pg would allow me to equip another heal here, maybe a large but I haven't done the numbers on that yet, even another light extender, the speed is a huge asset though.) -Best extender (2100 hp) -x2 ward amplifier -Biggest large heal - x2 15% pg boosters (on yours I would put the 7/7/7%, the one that bumps up shield hp and regen along with pg.) -Frag or Accelerated missiles - small standard missiles(cheapest on pg, once you unlock all the modules you would understand.) Then you could bump that HP to 5600 with a heavy heal and 34%resist or so. When you fit up a tank for close engagements, putting out the most damage isn't going to do you any good, especially when that tank is an enforcer. Your mitigation is the most important part of frontline tanking. If you want to do damage, then pull out a rail tank. If I ever see you, I'm blowing that shiny enforcer of yours to pieces. Holy **** bro, go read the stats. The enforcer skills give 3% to damage and range per level. You know what 3 times 5 equals? 15. Why would i run std small stuff when i always have two good gunners. If you run an Enforcer without a squad, your just plain dumb. Also, the largest heal is just a waste of PG/CPU. Go with the Heavy Converse. Its a minimal difference in terms of the hp regen. I dont do frontline with an Enforcer. Hence the missle turret. Btw, the ONLY reason i dont blow up every single maddy i see is their either redline rail fags, and/or the armor rep bug. I could blow a well fit maddy from a good distance in about 10 seconds, if they couldnt regen 300-400 armor every second.
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Tebu Gan
CrimeWave Syndicate
10
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Posted - 2013.08.09 16:06:00 -
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DarthJT5 wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:DarthJT5 wrote:IF you get the Enforcer skill to the max(which i will NOT be doing. 3.7 mill SP? Hell no) you get 15% extra damage and range for the missles(Caldari) or blasters(Gallente). If you got that maxed, ADV turrets would be doing more damage than proto turrets, not counting turret skills or damage mods. Plus that extra zoom. I run the Falchion(i named it Snow White lolz) with the ADV large missles, and its already a force to be reckoned with. Im getting better and better at missle sniping infantry, and i can put out 2700 damage to armor in 1 burst. With one 7% damage mod. Thats alot. Now, dont get me wrong, it is HARD to use the Enforcer over the Standard, its slower, and its funny, pull one Falchion and all the AV in the map gravitates towards you... but, its very rewarding once you get good at it. I run 5100 shield with 30% passive reduction(dont have wards yet) large ADV accelerated missles, a ADV cyled missle in the bottom and an ADV scattered blaster on top, with 2 PG mods and and a damage mod. I love this tank. The Vayu? I see no advantage in using it over the Maddy. Seriously. What does that 3rd high slot do?! Not to mention the 200 less PG compared to 10 less Cpu on the Falchion...... that just gives no benefit. I can get 2500 PG on a Falchion, almost 2600. Because that 3rd low slot is very useful. Sounds like you don't have the skills to use all the module's yet. I would suggest maxing those skills out before using the enforcer class on the field. And a good fit maddy will blow that tank of yours to bits, sorry. Your numbers are wrong, 10% extra damage with the skill maxed. 10% extra zoom, nothing in there about the RANGE of you TURRET. No since in putting a damage mod on there, just put on another pg booster (x2 15% boosters, and one 7/7/7% booster). Another thing to note, my gunnlogi would eat that thing for breakfast with blasters fitted on. You are clearly a new tanker so a word of advice, your luck will run out. Fit that thing with a rail so when things do get rough, you can call in your missile version and move on to sniping. I don't know if maybe you won these from the event, but they are crap all around if you have to buy them. That being said though, I do see some usefulness in that low slot, but the COST. It isn't worth it to me just to gain a low slot. My missile fit -Speed booster (For the enforcer version, the extra pg would allow me to equip another heal here, maybe a large but I haven't done the numbers on that yet, even another light extender, the speed is a huge asset though.) -Best extender (2100 hp) -x2 ward amplifier -Biggest large heal - x2 15% pg boosters (on yours I would put the 7/7/7%, the one that bumps up shield hp and regen along with pg.) -Frag or Accelerated missiles - small standard missiles(cheapest on pg, once you unlock all the modules you would understand.) Then you could bump that HP to 5600 with a heavy heal and 34%resist or so. When you fit up a tank for close engagements, putting out the most damage isn't going to do you any good, especially when that tank is an enforcer. Your mitigation is the most important part of frontline tanking. If you want to do damage, then pull out a rail tank. If I ever see you, I'm blowing that shiny enforcer of yours to pieces. Holy **** bro, go read the stats. The enforcer skills give 3% to damage and range per level. You know what 3 times 5 equals? 15. Why would i run std small stuff when i always have two good gunners. If you run an Enforcer without a squad, your just plain dumb. Also, the largest heal is just a waste of PG/CPU. Go with the Heavy Converse. Its a minimal difference in terms of the hp regen. I dont do frontline with an Enforcer. Hence the missle turret. Btw, the ONLY reason i dont blow up every single maddy i see is their either redline rail fags, and/or the armor rep bug. I could blow a well fit maddy from a good distance in about 10 seconds, if they couldnt regen 300-400 armor every second.
I'm sorry, It seems I have offended you. Perhaps I was wrong on the stats, will check later.
I must say I fully disagree with most everything said here. The converse heal ticks for 271, the biggest 325, so the difference is worth it. Clearly you do not have all your skills to a point where you can use them, that is all. Missiles are not a super long range weapon, therefore you are within the area I define as front line.
In your previous post you mentioned being a tank buster, yet now you tell me you won't blow up maddys, ok bro. I do blow maddys up or at least much them off the field. I run 3 tanks, missile, blaster and a rails all shield spec. And redline fags as you call them are typically making money to run the frontline fit, so quit the hating and pull out your own rail.
Tell ya what, post your fit up here for the other tankers to see, because you already stated that you aren't running ward amplifiers, this tells me you don't have your skills up to a reasonable level to actually utilize the modules available.
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
3
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Posted - 2013.08.10 05:44:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:DarthJT5 wrote:[quote=Tebu Gan][quote=DarthJT5]IF you get the Enforcer skill to the max(which i will NOT be doing. 3.7 mill SP? Hell no) you get 15% extra damage and range for the missles(Caldari) or blasters(Gallente). If you got that maxed, ADV turrets would be doing more damage than proto turrets, not counting turret skills or damage mods. Plus that extra zoom. I run the Falchion(i named it Snow White lolz) with the ADV large missles, and its already a force to be reckoned with. Im getting better and better at missle sniping infantry, and i can put out 2700 damage to armor in 1 burst. With one 7% damage mod. Thats alot. Now, dont get me wrong, it is HARD to use the Enforcer over the Standard, its slower, and its funny, pull one Falchion and all the AV in the map gravitates towards you... but, its very rewarding once you get good at it. I run 5100 shield with 30% passive reduction(dont have wards yet) large ADV accelerated missles, a ADV cyled missle in the bottom and an ADV scattered
Sounds like you don't have the skills to use all the module's yet. I would suggest maxing those skills out before using the enforcer class on the field. And a good fit maddy will blow that tank of yours to bits, sorry.
Your numbers are wrong, 10% extra damage with the skill maxed. 10% extra zoom, nothing in there about the RANGE of you TURRET. No since in putting a damage mod on there, just put on another pg booster (x2 15% boosters, and one 7/7/7% booster). Another thing to note, my gunnlogi would eat that thing for breakfast with blasters fitted on.
You are clearly a new tanker so a word of advice, your luck will run out. Fit that thing with a rail so when things do get rough, you can call in your missile version and move on to sniping. I don't know if maybe you won these from the event, but they are crap all around if you have to buy them.
That being said though, I do see some usefulness in that low slot, but the COST. It isn't worth it to me just to gain a low slot.
My missile fit -Speed booster (For the enforcer version, the extra pg would allow me to equip another heal here, maybe a large but I haven't done the numbers on that yet, even another light extender, the speed is a huge asset though.) -Best extender (2100 hp) -x2 ward amplifier -Biggest large heal
- x2 15% pg boosters (on yours I would put the 7/7/7%, the one that bumps up shield hp and regen along with pg.)
-Frag or Accelerated missiles - small standard missiles(cheapest on pg, once you unlock all the modules you would understand.)
Then you could bump that HP to 5600 with a heavy heal and 34%resist or so. When you fit up a tank for close engagements, putting out the most damage isn't going to do you any good, especially when that tank is an enforcer. Your mitigation is the most important part of frontline tanking. If you want to do damage, then pull out a rail tank.
If I ever see you, I'm blowing that shiny enforcer of yours to pieces. Holy **** bro, go read the stats. The enforcer skills give 3% to damage and range per level. You know what 3 times 5 equals? 15. Why would i run std small stuff when i always have two good gunners. If you run an Enforcer without a squad, your just plain dumb. Also, the largest heal is just a waste of PG/CPU. Go with the Heavy Converse. Its a minimal difference in terms of the hp regen. I dont do frontline with an Enforcer. Hence the missle turret. Btw, the ONLY reason i dont blow up every single maddy i see is their either redline rail fags, and/or the armor rep bug. I could blow a well fit maddy from a good distance in about 10 seconds, if they couldnt regen 300-400 armor every second. [/quote I'm sorry, It seems I have offended you. Perhaps I was wrong on the stats, will check later. I must say I fully disagree with most everything said here. The converse heal ticks for 271, the biggest 325, so the difference is worth it. Clearly you do not have all your skills to a point where you can use them, that is all. Missiles are not a super long range weapon, therefore you are within the area I define as front line. In your previous post you mentioned being a tank buster, yet now you tell me you won't blow up maddys, ok bro. I do blow maddys up or at least push them off the field. I run 3 tanks, missile, blaster and a rails all shield spec. And redline fags as you call them are typically making money to run the frontline fit, so quit the hating and pull out your own rail. Tell ya what, post your fit up here for the other tankers to see, because you already stated that you aren't running ward amplifiers, this tells me you don't have your skills up to a reasonable level to actually utilize the modules available. EDIT: when I run blasters, I do fit the converse heal because of the lack of PG, but missiles use far less pg, so when you use them as your main gun, the possibilities for tank fits really opens up. I never said i wont blow up Maddys.... i said that i would blow up every maddy i see if it wernt for the rep bug and redline rail fags. I dont have a problem with rails, i run them too. But, the redliners are fags. Just my opinion. Lets do some math for the boosters. A 50 hp difference between the best and the converse, times 5 for the five pulses. Thats a 250 total rep difference. Thats not even half a swarm. Or an AV grenade. 2 shots differnce from a large blaster. So yes, its a waste of cpu and PG, to me atleast. Wanna know my fit? Alright. The turret info is above this, i run a Heavy extender, Heavy Converse Booster, and 3 supplememtal amps, two 12% PG mods(i do have the 15% but i dont need them on my Missle fits yet, not untill i have proto large missles) and a large missle damage mod. All im missing from my fit is the Ward extender and the ward amps. Ill jave ot this week. |
DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
3
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Posted - 2013.08.10 05:50:00 -
[44] - Quote
*ill have those by the end if the week. Sorry, my touchscreen sucks and it wouldnt let me edit. |
Tebu Gan
CrimeWave Syndicate
11
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Posted - 2013.08.10 17:00:00 -
[45] - Quote
DarthJT5 wrote: I never said i wont blow up Maddys.... i said that i would blow up every maddy i see if it wernt for the rep bug and redline rail fags. I dont have a problem with rails, i run them too. But, the redliners are fags. Just my opinion. Lets do some math for the boosters. A 50 hp difference between the best and the converse, times 5 for the five pulses. Thats a 250 total rep difference. Thats not even half a swarm. Or an AV grenade. 2 shots differnce from a large blaster. So yes, its a waste of cpu and PG, to me atleast. Wanna know my fit? Alright. The turret info is above this, i run a Heavy extender, Heavy Converse Booster, and 3 supplememtal amps, two 12% PG mods(i do have the 15% but i dont need them on my Missle fits yet, not untill i have proto large missles) and a large missle damage mod. All im missing from my fit is the Ward extender and the ward amps. Ill jave ot this week.
Converse heals for 271 per tick, the best for 328 per tick, with a difference of about 100 PG. 57 extra hp per tick translates into 285 extra total. Though I myself don't have a problem equipping one over the other, so I do go for the best, better is still better. When my skills weren't as high as I needed them I did run the converse heavy heal with a supplemental heavy shield extender as well. Now I run the best Extender and the best heal.
Seeing as you are running an enforcer, I would take the best over the medicore one any day.
And I don't know if it's just me, but I have had that heal tick for far more then is stated it would seem to me.
Converse heals a total of 1355, best is 1640 total. Let's say you have about 5,000 shields. So you can watch as you are taking damage and break your shield bar down into 5ths, the converse will heal a little over 1/5 of your shield by this reasoning. Yet at half shields I can take damage, and rep back up to damn near full shields. When taking heavy damage from swarms, I can pop my heavy heal on and take no damage, just from one tick. A few advanced and proto swarms hitting me.
It would seem to me our heals do a bit of crazy healing themselves, other then whats simply on paper.
And if you have 15% boosters, why not just use them and equip your best heal? You have the potential right there but you are to argue to me they are pointless and not worth it.
Did a bit of statistical math on this, The best booster is actually a 21.04% increase in overall healing over the Converse booster. That is a bit of an increase but let's look at the PG costs in this same way. Converse 512 PG Best 608 PG Doing the math you get a 18.75% increase in PG over the Converse.
So you heal 21.04% more at a cost of 18.75% more PG cost
To me, your statement would be true if the PG cost was greater than 21%, as such it is not.
Though I assure you, the difference isn't huge, but it is still there.
Heal 1640 - 1355 = 285 difference 285 / 1355 = .2104 (rounded up) or 21.04%
Pg 608 - 512 = 96 difference 96 / 512 = .1875 or 18.75%
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DarthJT5
12th Shadow Legion
6
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Posted - 2013.08.10 20:12:00 -
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Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
227
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Posted - 2013.08.10 21:49:00 -
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Stands Alone wrote:10mg PLUMBUM wrote:Stands Alone wrote:Tanks arent meant to sit in the red line like pussies... use the bonuses to and role effectively by staying about 200m away from the fight at all times... dont charge in expecting nobody to have AV...
its a support tank, and you can support people fine from 400 meters with a railgun or 150 with missiles And forge gun and swarm lauchers will support you, after 15 second you will +50 +150 to somebody then dont use them. someone else will find a way to make use of it
tanks come in many flavours, some are front line anti-infantry... some are mobile artillery... some are anti-armor.
with the three turrets we have, all of these historic roles are filled. Unfortunately if appears that CCP is holding back a little on HAV's, probably with future additions in mind, at which point the bonuses will hopefully reflect how enforcers are supposed to operate.. ie: gallente with rail sniping.
also.. its not about flexing your epeen and shouting down anyone not "fighting like a man" because a) that is so 18th century and b) the objective or war is to win via what ever methods are the least distasteful to you. In this manner, supporting ground troops by taking out installations, other tanks, inbound vehicles, etc ... all from afar... is quite naturally a favoured and COST EFFECTIVE tactic. |
phatbastard
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
0
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Posted - 2013.09.25 14:24:00 -
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how can i use enforcer from long range when players and objectives are invisable. i just as well be playing battle ships
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CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
369
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Posted - 2013.09.25 14:57:00 -
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well seeing how render distance on mlt and std tanks is bad. the sniper tank may stand a better chance...
but from my multiple games in the past few days ive seen alot of enforcer class tanks.
the only reason too get a tank out is to motivate your team.
so plz do go to the frontline. right in front of the proto breach forge gun i will be speccing into in the future.. if u want to save on isk use std turrets.
and save your self some isk by decreasing total damage output for more cpu and pg to fit more armor plates, resistance mods and reppers. |
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