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Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 04:52:00 -
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You want to ****ing nerf medics now?! WTF is wrong with these forums?
I don't know what's crazier, this topic or the request to roll back to the Codex build. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 05:13:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Chromosome was better balance wise... Just for fixing your fingers to type that, you should be temp banned on general principles. Redline snipers, OP ARs, Assaults that didn't need logis, heavies being a joke, bad hit detection for SG scouts, HAVs being nerfed just before the AV vs HAV metagame came to fruition, and and.... jesus, there's too many things to name that was wrong with that build. I don't think I can take any constructive criticism you give on these forums anymore |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 05:27:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:You actually think is better balanced than Chromosme? Or did you just turn your brain off while typing that list? I don't know if it's better than Chromosome or not because Uprising has only been out for two days. Give it a chance, post some constructive criticism (not rants) and try to re-learn how everything works. Treat it like a new game. Going back to Chromosome is just crazy talk, crazy talk that beats the topic we just derailed.
(Nerfing ****ing medics) |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:00:00 -
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Back on topic: You guys QQing over logis need to take in account that the Assaults (which I assume you're comparing logis to) actually have combat oriented bonuses like hybrid weapon reload rate, sidearm capacity, laser heat build up, and hybrid weapon efficiency. Logis finally get a buff to the point that they have a bit of versatility and you want to nerf them, chill out. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:14:00 -
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RydogV wrote:No my weakness is not, not having a pistol. There are inherent weaknesses in all dropsuit configurations. The lack of a sidearm is just one when it comes to most Logistics dropsuits.
My reaction to the suggested weapons a Logistics player should be limited to is based on that one element. In my view, when I only have the ability to carry a single weapon, that weapon should have optimal versatility in the greatest number of possible situations. None of the weapons listed meet that criteria. They are all specially weapons, effective for limited and specialized tasks.
Bottom-line...I risk my ISK wading out into the fray to revive and heal down teammates every match. Why should my offensive capability be restricted any more than it already is because other players decide to use a suit for some other purpose other than support. This game was suppose to be about unique player choice. QFT
And if you want a weakness, look at how much SP we have to invest just to be able to do our ****ing job! Assaults can get by with their basic suits (which are the suits in chromosome) but I had to dump 1.8 mil just to have multiple equipment slots to do my medical stuff. Then there's the SP that goes into repair tools, nano hives, needles (that don't ****ing work right now) drop uplinks, remote explosives, and proximity mines. By the time I had all that stuff, I barely had enough for my one weapon I'm allowed to equip. My fittings probably cost almost twice your fittings too. Come nerf me bro! |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:29:00 -
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I don't care if you talking about Burn Jita, you mothe ****ers cried about heavies, MD, HAV, Dropships, grenades, scouts, LAVs, lasers, and just about anything else that makes you feel threatened until it got nerfed into the ground. Now you want to QQ about field medics having a bit more HP and versatility than you? I can tell you where to shove your suggestions. I'm done!
You're lucky I already spent my SP into my super OP class because if I had seen your post before I did, I'd probably spec into HAV just to roll over you ASSaults. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:01:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:The mere fact of so many people complaining about me suggesting taking away some Assault weapon options proves my point.......... Like how all the assaults went ape **** over the sharpshooter nerf? We all have our niche classes that we're happy and comfortable with. Nobody wants to be nerfed. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:13:00 -
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If you assaults didn't QQ about heavies they all wouldn't have quit to play logis. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:33:00 -
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How about we settle it this way: Make an alt and spec into logi and see how OP it really is. Hell, you got an early look at all the suit stats like the rest of us. If Logi is so OP, why didn't you spec into one? |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:35:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Zeylon Rho wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Osydisious wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:The mere fact of so many people complaining about me suggesting taking away some Assault weapon options proves my point.......... Actually we are complaining at your idea because it takes away one of the key reasons people play logistics for and that is the versatility. Some of us don't like being sat behind a heavy with a rep tool (specially as it doesn't give you points the whole time, so might as well do some killing while the WP cooldown ends). I run squads with mainly assault guys and some heavies and so I need to be able to perform to some extent with them. To be able to survive and provide the support needed by a logistics player ( offensively and defensively) I sacrifice my speed, the extra weapon slot and now sticking out on the battlefield in my new bright yellow costume. You call it ''VERSATILITY'' ,but your versatility goes far beyond that.A logi can be a one man army easy. So +25% Shield Extender bonus + 5 high slots doesnt sound a little too much for you? PLUS CPU 390/78pg to back it up? Plus Shield 4 seconds shield recharge rate and 6 on DEPLETED? Your a little slow? can fix that with 4 low powered modules, easy. Dont have sidearm? cry me a river.... If you dont like to do support work dont use the Logi suit. The yellow color , yah that does suck. I dont like the yellow color on that Caldari Logi , but i guess i'll have to live with it.. see? this is me adapting : 3 Learn to flux and HTFU. I like carrying Anti Vehicle grenades. why do i need to use a specific grenade to counter only 1 dropsuit? It's called meta game, get used to that term. You'll be hearing a lot about it on the 14th. |
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Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:38:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:I don't know, why do people need to carry a certain kind of grenade to counter vehicles?
Because people are too lazy to spec into AV that take their precious AR away. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:42:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:Zeylon Rho wrote:I don't know, why do people need to carry a certain kind of grenade to counter vehicles?
Because people are too lazy to spec into AV that take their precious AR away. I use shotguns >..> so you are saying i must spec into swarm to take care of vehicles just because i need flux to kill cald logis? LOL Whatever |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:43:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:Zeylon Rho wrote:I don't know, why do people need to carry a certain kind of grenade to counter vehicles?
Because people are too lazy to spec into AV that take their precious AR away. I use shotguns >..> so you are saying i must spec into swarm to take care of vehicles just because i need flux to kill cald logis? LOL No, I'm saying there's more than one type of AV weapon. Plus another one being added in ~6 days. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.08 22:01:00 -
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Has anyone stopped to think that those extra slots are meant for something we haven't gotten yet like EWAR modules. There's a reason for all the changes, and I think it's because of something that hasn't been implemented yet. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.09 02:45:00 -
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RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:They are what will be referred to as LOGIPROS, they are not LOGIBROS. They are using logi suits but they are not logibros. A logibro is a dedication, a calling of the highest order. These are killers, slayers, wolves hiding behind the uniform of a medic/mechanic/and a generally good guy. These men are to be feared. Watch yourselves and don't be fooled by their appearance. Minmatar and Amarr are still logibro in my book. I haven't tested the Caldari or Gallente (requires another 8mill sp to do so) but the others are definitely more geared to Logibro. Gallente has a huge possibility with all those low slots to be an amazing LogiBro or wild armor tank, we will see in time.
My first response the the Caldari Log was the same. It is an amazing shield tanking machine of death, an with the AMARR suit only having 3H/3L how can it compare? If these are the final builds of the suits, and we must assume that they are, then the balance would have to come in currently available items (flux and MD) or future items not yet out. Unfortunately that is what it is.
But, if ever a new item/mod comes out that completely destroys the shields of these players they will be sad, call for a nerf, and the whole thing starts over. They have skilled proto. So they must either make it work in other ways or skill into a new class. Or (hopefully a respec option is eventually put out) wait till may 14th and pray for a respec so you too can be cool like a logiPRO
You mean like the I don't know... the Scrambler Rifle? |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.09 03:15:00 -
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This thread is still the most idioc thing I've seen on the forums. Assaults get damage bonuses to slay and logis get bonuses for survival. Instead of crying for nerfs, brainstorm and suggest ways to buff your own respective nich to compensate. Make it an arms race, not a nerf war. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.09 03:34:00 -
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Not every suit has to be limited to one specified role. If Logis want to run as assaults +1 and invested the SP, then go for it. I've been in squads where I'm not needed as a medic and switch over to more offensive fittings. It's called versatility.
If you feel something is imbalanced compared to your class, suggest ways to improve it. Stop trying to bring others down. We all spend the same SP and commit to our roles. How would you feel if someone wanted to nerf something you use?
I hope Remnant sees this thread. With all the hustle and bustle around uprising, he could probably use a good laugh. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.09 03:47:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:Not every suit has to be limited to one specified role. If Logis want to run as assaults +1 and invested the SP, then go for it. I've been in squads where I'm not needed as a medic and switch over to more offensive fittings. It's called versatility.
If you feel something is imbalanced compared to your class, suggest ways to improve it. Stop trying to bring others down. We all spend the same SP and commit to our roles. How would you feel if someone wanted to nerf something you use?
I hope Remnant sees this thread. With all the hustle and bustle around uprising, he could probably use a good laugh. I played heavy. NErfed. Used HMG's - Nerfed Use scouts - Now, all other dropsuits got improvements, scouts are the same crap. I use shotgun - Nefed I used AR's - RAnge nerfed. You see me whining that my scout cant get shot once cuz it evaporates. Or me complaining because Heavies are close to useless and a logi can run faster and tank better? NOPE. Im just asking for Supports to act like supports. @ Balzich Rotaine : Well yeah...Pretty much. But usually, say 90% of the time, the shotgun is for infiltration purposes. Attack purposes.... First off, a moment of silence for the heavy. I killed one ADS with a SMG. Not because he was in my way, but to put him out of his misery.
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If you know what it feels like to get nerfed after finding your niche, why try to impose that on someone else? We both care about Dust 514, but don't you think the nerf bat has been swung a bit too much. It's getting a bit counterproductive. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.09 03:53:00 -
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So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait.... |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:14:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait.... Pretty much. Problem? That kind of thinking is going to kill this game. Why not suggest things to promote a perfect imbalance so the meta game expands beyond crying nerf on the forums. |
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Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:17:00 -
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Balzich Rotaine wrote:Yeah buff em all leave the logi where it is Buff all the things! |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:25:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait.... Pretty much. Problem? That kind of thinking is going to kill this game. Why not suggest things to promote a perfect imbalance so the meta game expands beyond crying nerf on the forums. ''So, you're crying nerf because everyone else has? That's like using an AR because everyone else is. Oh wait...'' This kind of comments are the ones that will kill the game. Not me looking for balance.BRO. People have been crying for nerfs for 2 years and Dust 514 is still pretty screwed up. Don't you think it's time to try something different? |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.09 05:05:00 -
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Zondervin Tau wrote:All Logi have -50% damage on all light weapons.
Problem solved
Zon KING CHECKMATE, I retract my statement about this thread being the most idiotic thing I've seen. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:02:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:SO the amount of logi suits i've seen after my game session was roughly about 50% of players.
That means 50% of players were running logis, the amount of times i was revived 0. The amount of ammo on the fiield, 0. the amount of times i was revived , 0...
And about 90% of the players both in my team and enemies that i saw rocking a yellow caldari proto suit, went over 6 KDR.MINIMUM.
F***** Ridiculous.
That suit is broken. You're not getting revived, repaired, or resupplied because we can't do it. The radial menu is screwed up worse than before and it's damn near impossible to revive someone. One of my squad mates died and 3 of us hovered around him with needles trying to find where the game wants us to stab them. Devs are looking into it though. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:13:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:Cosgar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:SO the amount of logi suits i've seen after my game session was roughly about 50% of players.
That means 50% of players were running logis, the amount of times i was revived 0. The amount of ammo on the fiield, 0. the amount of times i was revived , 0...
And about 90% of the players both in my team and enemies that i saw rocking a yellow caldari proto suit, went over 6 KDR.MINIMUM.
F***** Ridiculous.
That suit is broken. You're not getting revived, repaired, or resupplied because we can't do it. The radial menu is screwed up worse than before and it's damn near impossible to revive someone. One of my squad mates died and 3 of us hovered around him with needles trying to find where the game wants us to stab them. Devs are looking into it though. Amen, broken gameplay means I can't help my bros out. I run all over their corpses jamming the triggers and anything else just to try and find the right point to pick them up to no avail. I'm sorry, the game is just so broken that bleeding out is really your only option right now, sorry, even in the nice proto suits and great equipment. Ok Thats that, i didnt know,ty for the info. But AGAIN , im not talking about the people who use Proto Logis to help their team, but the ones using them as Assault v.2.0 Yesterday i played about 5 hours, got to see a good amount of those suits.6 men squad with 700-900+ total HP stomping down on everything,not always had a chance to even throw a flux grenades, those Poto AR can cut through you like butter with a simple complex damage mod... I just Hope the scrambler rifle works and will have to replace my precious AV grenades with flux... I wont complain anymore. I think i'll let the game run its course and later when everybody is fed up of Proto Logi-Assault modes , i'll come back to say: Told you so. I the meanwhile do your thing. In the meantime, I suggest that you brainstorm for ways to reinforce other gaming mechanics to compensate for what can be perceived as imbalanced. Each dropsuit class, weapon, and vehicle brings a different aspect to the battlefield and should be respected for its variety instead of shunned for its differences. We all care about Dust 514 and want it to grow to be the incredible game we all want it to be, but constantly suggesting for nerfs shouldn't be the only option. Respect each gaming mechanic for having advantages over others and learn their weaknesses to make them your advantage. |
Cosgar
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:12:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar: ''In the meantime, I suggest that you brainstorm for ways to reinforce other gaming mechanics to compensate for what can be perceived as imbalanced. Each dropsuit class, weapon, and vehicle brings a different aspect to the battlefield and should be respected for its variety instead of shunned for its differences. We all care about Dust 514 and want it to grow to be the incredible game we all want it to be, but constantly suggesting for nerfs shouldn't be the only option. Respect each gaming mechanic for having advantages over others and learn their weaknesses to make them your advantage'' I did see? XD https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75241&find=unread Yeah, I've been commenting on your suggestions lol |
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