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Mithridates VI
DUST 411
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:42:00 -
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Update on the progress of the Mercenary Pack Refund has just gone up at http://www.dust411.com/2013/04/10/merc-pack-refund-debate-update/
Please don't use this topic to discuss the merits of either side of the debate, it's been hashed and rehashed ad-nauseum and the ball is basically in CCP's court at this stage. The topic is simply to let people know that progress is being made in finding a resolution to the disagreement. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1990
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:44:00 -
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We should discuss bacon, anyways. Bacon is the answer to all our problems. |
XXfootnoteXX
DUST University Ivy League
188
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:45:00 -
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Do you have a link to CCP's statement? |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
478
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:48:00 -
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so basically double dipping is going to start. that's cool. p2w indeed |
Mithridates VI
DUST 411
757
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:49:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:Do you have a link to CCP's statement?
Sorry, it's in a petition, so I'm sharing as much as I can without posting the thing verbatim. They haven't made a statement because the details are still being worked on. The main focus here is updating people that it's being worked on, hasn't been dropped after we got a "We're looking at this" in an earlier thread and there should be more information soon.
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Mithridates VI
DUST 411
757
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Posted - 2013.04.10 23:50:00 -
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Necrodermis wrote:so basically double dipping is going to start. that's cool. p2w indeed That's pure speculation and not really constructive. The terms of the reimbursement program haven't been given at all. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1953
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Posted - 2013.04.11 01:12:00 -
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It's nice to see that there is progress. Though there is no confirmation yet, it seems that CCP might be leaning in a direction that could favor a reimbursement. But don't quote me on that. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1295
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Posted - 2013.04.11 01:22:00 -
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Still tired of the idiots who see getting what was promised as greedy or double dipping. |
Dr Debo Galaxy
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
306
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Posted - 2013.04.11 01:23:00 -
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Vegetarian bacon? |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1953
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Posted - 2013.04.11 01:30:00 -
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Dr Debo Galaxy wrote:Vegetarian bacon?
BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
15
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Posted - 2013.04.11 02:09:00 -
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Dr Debo Galaxy wrote:Vegetarian bacon?
+1. Vegetarians for the win.
On a related note I have faith CCP will craft a solution that is reasonable. |
The Black Art
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
35
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Posted - 2013.04.11 03:49:00 -
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"WeGÇÖve been told that CCP is in the process of implementing a reimbursement program for purchases made before open beta..."
So only merc packs purchased before the release of Open Beta (that 2 week period after the reset) will be refunded it seems. |
Mithridates VI
DUST 411
769
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Posted - 2013.04.11 03:57:00 -
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The Black Art wrote:"WeGÇÖve been told that CCP is in the process of implementing a reimbursement program for purchases made before open beta..."
So only merc packs purchased before the release of Open Beta (that 2 week period after the reset) will be refunded it seems.
I'd be interested in hearing whether anyone claims to have purchased Merc Packs after the beta opened while still under the original terms.
PSN Store terms were changed Jan 22 downtime as per this post so the terms only persisted a day into the open beta.
If they take this day into account, no other merc packs are eligible. I don't think anyone has ever argued that they are. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
268
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Posted - 2013.04.11 03:59:00 -
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The Black Art wrote:"WeGÇÖve been told that CCP is in the process of implementing a reimbursement program for purchases made before open beta..."
So only merc packs purchased before the release of Open Beta (that 2 week period after the reset) will be refunded it seems.
So what about the Game Stop Merc. packs? They still have the original agreement with them. |
Mithridates VI
DUST 411
769
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Posted - 2013.04.11 04:02:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:The Black Art wrote:"WeGÇÖve been told that CCP is in the process of implementing a reimbursement program for purchases made before open beta..."
So only merc packs purchased before the release of Open Beta (that 2 week period after the reset) will be refunded it seems. So what about the Game Stop Merc. packs? They still have the original agreement with them.
I am imagining that will have to be taken up with Game Stop, failing to update their terms, unless CCP didn't tell them. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
268
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Posted - 2013.04.11 04:11:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:The Black Art wrote:"WeGÇÖve been told that CCP is in the process of implementing a reimbursement program for purchases made before open beta..."
So only merc packs purchased before the release of Open Beta (that 2 week period after the reset) will be refunded it seems. So what about the Game Stop Merc. packs? They still have the original agreement with them. I am imagining that will have to be taken up with Game Stop, failing to update their terms, unless CCP didn't tell them.
Pitchfork.......... Check Fire................... Check Angry mob....... Check
OK I'm good. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
40
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Posted - 2013.04.11 04:18:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:Dr Debo Galaxy wrote:Vegetarian bacon? +1. Vegetarians for the win. On a related note I have faith CCP will craft a solution that is reasonable. I will second the second approval.
All bacon is good and just whether it be pork, plant, or soylent green. |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.04.11 04:18:00 -
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Let me make this clear: You made an article about this, post link to it on forums and then you ask people not to discuss merits of either side? YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. :| |
Mithridates VI
DUST 411
770
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Posted - 2013.04.11 04:21:00 -
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Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Let me make this clear: You made an article about this, post link to it on forums and then you ask people not to discuss merits of either side? YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. :|
There are better tear-filled copies of the topic if people need to delve into it again. This is an update with no particular preference for either side, with an article and forum link because otherwise the information isn't presently available to anyone else. |
Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
221
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Posted - 2013.04.11 04:26:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Let me make this clear: You made an article about this, post link to it on forums and then you ask people not to discuss merits of either side? YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. :| There are better tear-filled copies of the topic if people need to delve into it again. This is an update with no particular preference for either side, with an article and forum link because otherwise the information isn't presently available to anyone else. Yes, I understand that. However, that is not how Forums will work. They will discuss and rage all over the place anyway no matter what :) Tell a person not to think about something - that's what that person will think about. |
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Mithridates VI
DUST 411
770
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Posted - 2013.04.11 04:33:00 -
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Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Let me make this clear: You made an article about this, post link to it on forums and then you ask people not to discuss merits of either side? YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. :| There are better tear-filled copies of the topic if people need to delve into it again. This is an update with no particular preference for either side, with an article and forum link because otherwise the information isn't presently available to anyone else. Yes, I understand that. However, that is not how Forums will work. They will discuss and rage all over the place anyway no matter what :) Tell a person not to think about something - that's what that person will think about.
It's been pretty quiet so far :p
Don't jinx it. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1956
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Posted - 2013.04.11 04:42:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:The Black Art wrote:"WeGÇÖve been told that CCP is in the process of implementing a reimbursement program for purchases made before open beta..."
So only merc packs purchased before the release of Open Beta (that 2 week period after the reset) will be refunded it seems. So what about the Game Stop Merc. packs? They still have the original agreement with them.
According to CCP in the petition I sent them, they are trying to get that fixed. You know how Gamestop tends to screw things up for players. |
JL3Eleven
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
268
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Posted - 2013.04.11 04:51:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:The Black Art wrote:"WeGÇÖve been told that CCP is in the process of implementing a reimbursement program for purchases made before open beta..."
So only merc packs purchased before the release of Open Beta (that 2 week period after the reset) will be refunded it seems. So what about the Game Stop Merc. packs? They still have the original agreement with them. According to CCP in the petition I sent them, they are trying to get that fixed. You know how Gamestop tends to screw things up for players.
I still have my receipt! |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens EoN.
404
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Posted - 2013.04.11 09:21:00 -
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Why not just make beta merc packs worth a pack now, and another at launch?
Sure it will cost you some revenue from beta players for the first few months of the actual release, but it's a nice way to reward the players who are supporting your game before it's even a finished product.
(Limit 3, so no matter how many packs you bought in beta you only get up to 3 after beta maximum so people can't just invest heavily now for half the price) |
NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens EoN.
104
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Posted - 2013.04.11 09:26:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Why not just make beta merc packs worth a pack now, and another at launch?
Sure it will cost you some revenue from beta players for the first few months of the actual release, but it's a nice way to reward the players who are supporting your game before it's even a finished product.
(Limit 3, so no matter how many packs you bought in beta you only get up to 3 after beta maximum so people can't just invest heavily now for half the price) Ur not sleeping lol |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens EoN.
404
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Posted - 2013.04.11 09:27:00 -
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Why not just make beta merc packs worth a pack now, and another at launch?
Sure it will cost you some revenue from beta players for the first few months of the actual release, but it's a nice way to reward the players who are supporting your game before it's even a finished product.
(Limit 3, so no matter how many packs you bought in beta you only get up to 3 after beta maximum so people can't just invest heavily now for half the price) Ur not sleeping lol
I do what I want |
NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens EoN.
104
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Posted - 2013.04.11 09:30:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Why not just make beta merc packs worth a pack now, and another at launch?
Sure it will cost you some revenue from beta players for the first few months of the actual release, but it's a nice way to reward the players who are supporting your game before it's even a finished product.
(Limit 3, so no matter how many packs you bought in beta you only get up to 3 after beta maximum so people can't just invest heavily now for half the price) Ur not sleeping lol I do what I want If that means watch Always Sunny and post half baked ideas in dust threads at 4am, so be it. Yes sir 07 |
Richard Sebire
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.04.11 13:29:00 -
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Still no update, and still no word on the merc pack issue. One step forward, one step back... |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1957
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Posted - 2013.04.11 15:52:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:The Black Art wrote:"WeGÇÖve been told that CCP is in the process of implementing a reimbursement program for purchases made before open beta..."
So only merc packs purchased before the release of Open Beta (that 2 week period after the reset) will be refunded it seems. So what about the Game Stop Merc. packs? They still have the original agreement with them. According to CCP in the petition I sent them, they are trying to get that fixed. You know how Gamestop tends to screw things up for players. I still have my receipt!
Don't hold your breath. Gamestop is the one that screwed up, not CCP. |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1158
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:01:00 -
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If you retards kick up enough of a stink about this that I have to train core skills again I will be severely annoyed. |
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Rynx Sinfar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
409
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:10:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:If you retards kick up enough of a stink about this that I have to train core skills again I will be severely annoyed.
+100000000000000000000000000000000
I've been through 1 reset, others have been through plenty more.
The fact is I value the early research into the skills more than "evening the playfield". I got in fairly early and as a result I know more about classes and how things work. I have first hand knowledge of a class I was interested in and when the SP Refund hits I can make better decisions based on combat experience. I won't know 100% but I'll be better off than those who haven't been there.
Not only that because of the SP Refund announcement I can test stuff I wasn't willing to commit 100% to. Profile skills? Let's see what happens. Mass Driver? Wonder what an Exo is like. Stamina skills? How far can I run anyway? Support items? Never did get to see how effective the higher tier ones are. |
Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
234
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:44:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Pitchfork.......... Check Fire................... Check Angry mob....... Check
OK I'm good.
Don't forget to get the "Free GEK-38s For Everyone!" upgrade on that Angry Mob. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1332
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:49:00 -
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dent 308 wrote:If you retards kick up enough of a stink about this that I have to train core skills again I will be severely annoyed.
You know thats not going to happen dent. All this comes down to is ccp failed to communicate that aurum would no longer be reset. CCP told us explicitily that "you dont pay for a beta". Well we were still in closed beta for 2 weeks and then moved to open beta. Still beta.
I and others raised the issue right away (in closed beta). NOT to be assholes about it but because we didn't know and ccp didn't say. CCP came back to us that open beta was comercial release and changed the wording in the purchase agreement. While some were unhappy about it most where fine and moved on. The majority of people including myself never wanted aurum back just wanted ccp to communicate it.
Fast forward to ccp admiting that dust was not comercial release and you have many that are upset about this. I still dont care or want my aurum back. CCP just messed up and they need to fix it. They know this and thats what they are doing. For the record aurum for gear is all that should be refunded for closed beta players not boosters.
So you dont have to worry about you sp being reset you eve nerd. You almost sound like an IMP
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Richard Sebire
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.04.11 17:52:00 -
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I started day 1, I think I've been through 3 or 4 resets now. And yep, your probably right. They will reset, or force us to reskill again. Imagine downloading Dust 514 today, and even before its out every other player is well ahead of you. I don't think new players will appreciate us having several months head start on them. |
Marc Rime
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.04.11 19:39:00 -
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I hope people realise that blog is not an official source. In my view the only "reliable" information is that you filed a petition, and they replied that they are working on some kind of solution. Without the original source there's no way we can tell how much of your information stems from the questions you asked and your interpretation of their reply.
According to your post every merc pack purchased before open beta will be reimbursed (as in credited in full). Did they explicitly/clearly tell you this or was the reply in any way vague (maybe more along the lines of "we're working on a solution to compensate those who...)?
Your post suggests they are considering SP modifications for those who get reimbursements. My guess is that you specifically asked them if SP would be modified to which they replied "we can't give you any details yet", but I could ofc be wrong ;). I ask because no doubt there are people going "OMG their [sic!] gonna take my SP *ragequit*". |
Mithridates VI
DUST 411
778
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:19:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:I hope people realise that blog is not an official source. In my view the only "reliable" information is that you filed a petition, and they replied that they are working on some kind of solution. Without the original source there's no way we can tell how much of your information stems from the questions you asked and your interpretation of their reply.
You can't be sure I've filed a petition at all, honestly. You'll just have to see what happens and use it to inform your future perception of my credibility.
Marc Rime wrote:According to your post every merc pack purchased before open beta will be reimbursed (as in credited in full). Did they explicitly/clearly tell you this or was the reply in any way vague (maybe more along the lines of "we're working on a solution to compensate those who...)?
I haven't said that "every merc pack purchased before open beta will be reimbursed (as in credited in full", I've posted as close to what CCP replied with as a I can. They, in no uncertain terms, declared that they were implementing a reimbursement program for purchases from before the open beta.
Marc Rime wrote:Your post suggests they are considering SP modifications for those who get reimbursements. My guess is that you specifically asked them if SP would be modified to which they replied "we can't give you any details yet", is this the case? (I could ofc be wrong ;)) I ask because no doubt there are people going "OMG their [sic!] gonna take my SP *ragequit*". I spoke to SP modifications only because they're a point of focus for many, especially those who are against purchase reimbursement. I apologise if it read as if CCP had commented on SP reimbursements. I had hoped, in writing, that that sentence would be interpreted as saying "the details of this program cannot yet be revealed... so those clamouring for or against an SP reset will have to wait for further information". Perhaps that wasn't communicated well enough. If it wasn't already a major focus of the debate, I wouldn't have mentioned SP modification at all. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
371
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Posted - 2013.04.12 00:44:00 -
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Bottom line: Stats aren't being reset and we are keeping all our SP, ISK, weapons... everything. Whatever wording was used, doesn't matter. You all got what you paid for, including me. You deserve NO refund or compensation, unless you are willing to give up all the ISK and SP you accumulated through the merc packs AUR, boosters and items. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1963
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Posted - 2013.04.12 01:44:00 -
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Richard Sebire wrote:I started day 1, I think I've been through 3 or 4 resets now. And yep, your probably right. They will reset, or force us to reskill again. Imagine downloading Dust 514 today, and even before its out every other player is well ahead of you. I don't think new players will appreciate us having several months head start on them.
I don't understand why players have a problem joining a game that has veterans in it. Every game has veterans. Call of Duty, Halo, Battlefield, World of Warcraft, Eve Online, Guild Wars, World of Tanks, etc. It's practically inevitable that any game we join will have players who have invested time into it before we came along. All veterans earned their rewards for the time and effort they put in. If a reset has to be done for every new player that comes in for the next ten years, then DUST will be dead for sure because no one will feel motivated to progress if the newbies are going to hold them down. |
Thor Odinson42
Red Star. EoN.
73
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:11:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Richard Sebire wrote:I started day 1, I think I've been through 3 or 4 resets now. And yep, your probably right. They will reset, or force us to reskill again. Imagine downloading Dust 514 today, and even before its out every other player is well ahead of you. I don't think new players will appreciate us having several months head start on them. I don't understand why players have a problem joining a game that has veterans in it. Every game has veterans. Call of Duty, Halo, Battlefield, World of Warcraft, Eve Online, Guild Wars, World of Tanks, etc. It's practically inevitable that any game we join will have players who have invested time into it before we came along. All veterans earned their rewards for the time and effort they put in. If a reset has to be done for every new player that comes in for the next ten years, then DUST will be dead for sure because no one will feel motivated to progress if the newbies are going to hold them down.
I hear you, it's not like they are paying $60 for the initial game. If I were CCP I'd refund all the AUR just to get people somewhat dependent on it. I'd also drop 40,000 in for new players for the same reason. |
EKH0 0ne
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:32:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:The Black Art wrote:"WeGÇÖve been told that CCP is in the process of implementing a reimbursement program for purchases made before open beta..."
So only merc packs purchased before the release of Open Beta (that 2 week period after the reset) will be refunded it seems. So what about the Game Stop Merc. packs? They still have the original agreement with them. According to CCP in the petition I sent them, they are trying to get that fixed. You know how Gamestop tends to screw things up for players. I still have my receipt! Don't hold your breath. Gamestop is the one that screwed up, not CCP.
I just bought one from gamestop 2 days ago, paid an extra dollar cause of taxes. Explain how gamestop is in the wrong, The game stop merc pack and the psn merc pack are two seprate items. You cant "fix" the terms, you can only change them. |
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EKH0 0ne
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:39:00 -
[41] - Quote
no comment? |
gyuuygfvc
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:55:00 -
[42] - Quote
Ccp shouldnt refund b cuz its their game and if they dont want to they dont have to, so what if they said they would. Things change not everything in the Terms and conditions has to be done. Things change and so does the Terms and conditions. Just because they didnt contact GameStop it isnt Ccp's fault gamestop didnt read the forums. |
Mithridates VI
DUST 411
791
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Posted - 2013.04.12 03:00:00 -
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gyuuygfvc wrote:Ccp shouldnt refund b cuz its their game and if they dont want to they dont have to, so what if they said they would. Things change not everything in the Terms and conditions has to be done. Things change and so does the Terms and conditions. Just because they didnt contact GameStop it isnt Ccp's fault gamestop didnt read the forums.
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Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1963
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:28:00 -
[44] - Quote
EKH0 0ne wrote:Explain how gamestop is in the wrong, The game stop merc pack and the psn merc pack are two seprate items. You cant "fix" the terms, you can only change them.
Because it's Gamestop. What other reason do you need? That's like asking why you shouldn't trust the devil. Does a question like that need an answer? Me and 90% of my real life friends don't even trust Gamestop. |
EKH0 0ne
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:30:00 -
[45] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:Explain how gamestop is in the wrong, The game stop merc pack and the psn merc pack are two seprate items. You cant "fix" the terms, you can only change them. Because it's Gamestop. What other reason do you need? That's like asking why you shouldn't trust the devil. Does a question like that need an answer? Me and 90% of my real life friends don't even trust Gamestop.
I asked for an explanation, not your opinion. I dont think it was Gamestop that broke trust, in fact they gave me a red and black smg blue print and held the original Terms |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1214
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:33:00 -
[46] - Quote
gyuuygfvc wrote:Ccp shouldnt refund b cuz its their game and if they dont want to they dont have to, so what if they said they would. Things change not everything in the Terms and conditions has to be done. Things change and so does the Terms and conditions. Just because they didnt contact GameStop it isnt Ccp's fault gamestop didnt read the forums. Do not ever post on these forums again.
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Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1963
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:33:00 -
[47] - Quote
EKH0 0ne wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:Explain how gamestop is in the wrong, The game stop merc pack and the psn merc pack are two seprate items. You cant "fix" the terms, you can only change them. Because it's Gamestop. What other reason do you need? That's like asking why you shouldn't trust the devil. Does a question like that need an answer? Me and 90% of my real life friends don't even trust Gamestop. I asked for an explanation, not your opinion. I dont think it was Gamestop that broke trust, in fact they gave me a red and black smg blue print and held the original Terms
We'll just have to leave it there then. I just don't trust them. Period. |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1428
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:37:00 -
[48] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:Explain how gamestop is in the wrong, The game stop merc pack and the psn merc pack are two seprate items. You cant "fix" the terms, you can only change them. Because it's Gamestop. What other reason do you need? That's like asking why you shouldn't trust the devil. Does a question like that need an answer? Me and 90% of my real life friends don't even trust Gamestop. I asked for an explanation, not your opinion. I dont think it was Gamestop that broke trust, in fact they gave me a red and black smg blue print and held the original Terms We'll just have to leave it there then. I just don't trust them. Period.
I trust them sometimes |
EKH0 0ne
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:37:00 -
[49] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:Explain how gamestop is in the wrong, The game stop merc pack and the psn merc pack are two seprate items. You cant "fix" the terms, you can only change them. Because it's Gamestop. What other reason do you need? That's like asking why you shouldn't trust the devil. Does a question like that need an answer? Me and 90% of my real life friends don't even trust Gamestop. I asked for an explanation, not your opinion. I dont think it was Gamestop that broke trust, in fact they gave me a red and black smg blue print and held the original Terms We'll just have to leave it there then. I just don't trust them. Period.
Why not.... |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
840
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:43:00 -
[50] - Quote
EKH0 0ne wrote:and held the original Terms So they already re-creditted you at commercial release? |
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EKH0 0ne
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:49:00 -
[51] - Quote
Sloth9230 wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:and held the original Terms So they already re-creditted you at commercial release?
ignorance is bliss you and gyuuygfvc should start a corp |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1963
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:53:00 -
[52] - Quote
EKH0 0ne wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:EKH0 0ne wrote:Explain how gamestop is in the wrong, The game stop merc pack and the psn merc pack are two seprate items. You cant "fix" the terms, you can only change them. Because it's Gamestop. What other reason do you need? That's like asking why you shouldn't trust the devil. Does a question like that need an answer? Me and 90% of my real life friends don't even trust Gamestop. I asked for an explanation, not your opinion. I dont think it was Gamestop that broke trust, in fact they gave me a red and black smg blue print and held the original Terms We'll just have to leave it there then. I just don't trust them. Period. Why not....
They screw you over on trade ins for starters. But what really made me angry about them is how they handled the whole Deus Ex: Human Evolution release by ripping out and shredding the promotional slip inside the box (which offered a free copy of the game via OnLive) and then selling the rest of the content to the customers without notifying them. They were even sold as new regardless that players were expecting them to have the promotional slip which had the code.
Many customers felt that their trust was violated because the company didn't sell them what they were promised by the developer. To be fair, OnLive is a competitor to Gamestop and that the Gamestop didn't want to sell content connected to its competitor. But it's that one instance in which they never told the buyers what they did which angered me. From that point on, Gamestop lost me as a customer. |
EKH0 0ne
The Red Guards EoN.
17
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Posted - 2013.04.12 05:15:00 -
[53] - Quote
They dont screw you over, you screw yourself over.
They also accepted refunds on the deus ex games |
EKH0 0ne
The Red Guards EoN.
17
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Posted - 2013.04.12 05:22:00 -
[54] - Quote
Its not ok for them to do it to Dues Ex But its ok for them to do it with Dust?
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Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1963
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Posted - 2013.04.12 05:22:00 -
[55] - Quote
Quote: They also accepted refunds on the deus ex games
Doesn't matter. That's not going to convince me to go back to their stores.
Anyways I feel I may have inadvertently detailed the thread a bit here. Sorry about that. I believe this thread was mainly about the petition the OP mentioned. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1963
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Posted - 2013.04.12 05:26:00 -
[56] - Quote
EKH0 0ne wrote:Its not ok for them to do it to Dues Ex But its ok for them to do it with Dust?
I filed a petition to CCP not to long ago reporting that Gamestop hasn't updated the merc packs they sell. CCP told me they are on the case already. |
EKH0 0ne
The Red Guards EoN.
17
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Posted - 2013.04.12 05:27:00 -
[57] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:Quote: They also accepted refunds on the deus ex games
Doesn't matter. That's not going to convince me to go back to their stores. Anyways I feel I may have inadvertently detailed the thread a bit here. Sorry about that. I believe this thread was mainly about the petition the OP mentioned.
This thread was dead anyways, and IDC if you go back to gamestop i just wanted to know what your stupid reason not to shop at gamestop was. No offense, I just knew it would be stupid. |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1963
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Posted - 2013.04.12 05:31:00 -
[58] - Quote
EKH0 0ne wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Quote: They also accepted refunds on the deus ex games
Doesn't matter. That's not going to convince me to go back to their stores. Anyways I feel I may have inadvertently detailed the thread a bit here. Sorry about that. I believe this thread was mainly about the petition the OP mentioned. This thread was dead anyways, and IDC if you go back to gamestop i just wanted to know what your stupid reason not to shop at gamestop was. No offense, I just knew it would be stupid.
You can call my reason whatever you like. I could care less. |
Juulia Rakovalkea
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
0
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Posted - 2013.04.12 05:53:00 -
[59] - Quote
One solution that would silence the whiners is to offer full reset to those players that want it via petition. (full sp reset, all aurum returned, but to ONLY those requesting it). |
EKH0 0ne
The Red Guards EoN.
17
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Posted - 2013.04.12 05:58:00 -
[60] - Quote
Another gyuuygfvc idea |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
841
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:06:00 -
[61] - Quote
EKH0 0ne wrote:Another gyuuygfvc idea Why not... |
Mithridates VI
DUST 411
794
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:07:00 -
[62] - Quote
gyuuygfvc wrote:Ccp shouldnt refund b cuz its their game and if they dont want to they dont have to, so what if they said they would. Things change not everything in the Terms and conditions has to be done. Things change and so does the Terms and conditions. Just because they didnt contact GameStop it isnt Ccp's fault gamestop didnt read the forums. Your posting history betrays you as an alt troll. How did you suddenly become bad at English? |
EKH0 0ne
The Red Guards EoN.
17
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:14:00 -
[63] - Quote
Thats what happens to people when they get "good ideas" |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1302
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Posted - 2013.04.12 07:51:00 -
[64] - Quote
if there's an auto-refund with SP loss due to a bunch of money clinger that just can't get enough, i'll personaly hunt them down round the world for a face slap. |
EKH0 0ne
The Red Guards EoN.
17
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Posted - 2013.04.12 07:54:00 -
[65] - Quote
Laurent Cazaderon wrote:if there's an auto-refund with SP loss due to a bunch of money clinger that just can't get enough, i'll personaly hunt them down round the world for a face slap.
Dont try that in America |
Maken Tosch
OPERATIVES OF THE GOAT
1964
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Posted - 2013.04.12 11:39:00 -
[66] - Quote
EKH0 0ne wrote:Its too bad %90 of the people here agree with him
The whole refund with SP reset thing? Not me. At least not anymore. By the way, it's 90% not %90. |
Winscar Shinobi
Better Hide R Die
159
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Posted - 2013.04.13 01:41:00 -
[67] - Quote
So I cannot confirm or deny that Sony will give you a refund (cause Sony Eula) while still letting you keep the merc pack contents, but I can say that it's very little effort for you to find out if they do or not. Answer might make some people here happy. |
blue gt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.04.13 02:53:00 -
[68] - Quote
This is so much dren, yes there are legal grounds, but there is no good reason to purse it other then greed.
CCP count me out on the mercpack refund. I spent that money because I wanted to support the development of the game and since all the items in it ARE counting toward final release, boosters give me SP that I keep, consumable weapons my stats, and BPOs will still be there.
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blue gt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.04.13 02:59:00 -
[69] - Quote
Laurent Cazaderon wrote:if there's an auto-refund with SP loss due to a bunch of money clinger that just can't get enough, i'll personaly hunt them down round the world for a face slap.
frankly I kinda hope CCP just resets every thing and explains it was to satisfy contractual obligations, that is about what you greedy **** heads deserve, god knows Id be pissed but I think it would be awesome for CCP to hang your ass out to dry like you self serving manipulative law abusing douche gobblers have done to them. |
EKH0 0ne
The Red Guards EoN.
19
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Posted - 2013.04.13 04:07:00 -
[70] - Quote
blue gt wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:if there's an auto-refund with SP loss due to a bunch of money clinger that just can't get enough, i'll personaly hunt them down round the world for a face slap. frankly I kinda hope CCP just resets every thing and explains it was to satisfy contractual obligations, that is about what you greedy **** heads deserve, god knows Id be pissed but I think it would be awesome for CCP to hang your ass out to dry like you self serving manipulative law abusing douche gobblers have done to them.
Another gyuuygfvc idea! You should move to North Korea. And by the way: You are the one abusing your freedom of speech |
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2751
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Posted - 2013.04.13 04:49:00 -
[71] - Quote
Noc Tempre wrote:Still tired of the idiots who see getting what was promised as greedy or double dipping.
do u want a full reset just for ur merc packs that ur gonna use in the exact same way already and spend on boosters to re-grind the same skills but from 0? cuz tbqh i dont think anyone wants to do this grind over again and tbqh its only u and select few in ur grp that really pushing this merc pack thing.
u got refunded ur merc packs and was told there would be no more resets to use it wisely and to still hear/read this and spend it then want it back to re-spend on more SP boosters is double dipping tbqh |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.13 07:14:00 -
[72] - Quote
Mavado V Noriega wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Still tired of the idiots who see getting what was promised as greedy or double dipping. do u want a full reset just for ur merc packs that ur gonna use in the exact same way already and spend on boosters to re-grind the same skills but from 0? cuz tbqh i dont think anyone wants to do this grind over again and tbqh its only u and select few in ur grp that really pushing this merc pack thing. u got refunded ur merc packs and was told there would be no more resets to use it wisely and to still hear/read this and spend it then want it back to re-spend on more SP boosters is double dipping tbqh
Did you vote for R*money? Oops i mean Mitt Romney.
Merc pack stated there will be a refund on commercial release
Ccp stated 'it's ridiculous to charge for items whilst in beta' Ccp then changed the merc pack terms (fair enough) Ccp choose not to do a reset for commercial release
None of those 3 things should affect the terms of the original merc pack.
Aur refund does not eqaul skill reset, for all the 'waaaah you got free boosters waaaah' ppl, just consider that a reward for supporting a game in closed beta |
Flamesea
Shadow Company HQ
7
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Posted - 2013.04.14 12:00:00 -
[73] - Quote
Any new(s) from CCP/DEVs on this topic? |
Calgoth Reborn
United Front LLC
234
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Posted - 2013.04.14 12:42:00 -
[74] - Quote
Winscar Shinobi wrote:So I cannot confirm or deny that Sony will give you a refund (cause Sony Eula) while still letting you keep the merc pack contents, but I can say that it's very little effort for you to find out if they do or not. Answer might make some people here happy.
Could you clarify that a little more by refund are you referring to a monetary refund ie money going back into your PSN wallet while keeping the item's/aurum you received if so that is something I don't agree with anyone who did that should have that account permanently banned |
EKH0 0ne
A0C
21
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Posted - 2013.04.14 12:56:00 -
[75] - Quote
Drud Green wrote:Mavado V Noriega wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Still tired of the idiots who see getting what was promised as greedy or double dipping. do u want a full reset just for ur merc packs that ur gonna use in the exact same way already and spend on boosters to re-grind the same skills but from 0? cuz tbqh i dont think anyone wants to do this grind over again and tbqh its only u and select few in ur grp that really pushing this merc pack thing. u got refunded ur merc packs and was told there would be no more resets to use it wisely and to still hear/read this and spend it then want it back to re-spend on more SP boosters is double dipping tbqh Did you vote for R*money? Oops i mean Mitt Romney. Merc pack stated there will be a refund on commercial release Ccp stated 'it's ridiculous to charge for items whilst in beta' Ccp then changed the merc pack terms (fair enough) Ccp choose not to do a reset for commercial release None of those 3 things should affect the terms of the original merc pack. Aur refund does not eqaul skill reset, for all the 'waaaah you got free boosters waaaah' ppl, just consider that a reward for supporting a game in closed beta
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crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
993
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:27:00 -
[76] - Quote
aren't I at least getting a refund for all unused aur items and bpos?
Maybe I won't want a minmatar logi bpo anymone when /i have THREE MORE logi suits to vonsider now.
plus all the issues with massive 900% increases in AUR prices....
I think a full refund of bpos and unused items, both isk and aur better happen at commerical release god kitten it.... |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
993
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:32:00 -
[77] - Quote
blue gt wrote:Laurent Cazaderon wrote:if there's an auto-refund with SP loss due to a bunch of money clinger that just can't get enough, i'll personaly hunt them down round the world for a face slap. frankly I kinda hope CCP just resets every thing and explains it was to satisfy contractual obligations, that is about what you greedy **** heads deserve, god knows Id be pissed but I think it would be awesome for CCP to hang your ass out to dry like you self serving manipulative law abusing douche gobblers have done to them. You wouldn't like your bpo AUR suits at least refunded?
It's why we are getting an sp reset..... >.> new suits, new bonues, what you bought for real money is going to change on may 6th, and that's ok, that's part of any beta. Itemschange, classes re retooled. But you don't charge realmoney becuase changing stuff from the bottom up that people have allready spent money on is greedy and dumb |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
497
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Posted - 2013.04.14 17:59:00 -
[78] - Quote
Mavado V Noriega wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Still tired of the idiots who see getting what was promised as greedy or double dipping. do u want a full reset just for ur merc packs that ur gonna use in the exact same way already and spend on boosters to re-grind the same skills but from 0? cuz tbqh i dont think anyone wants to do this grind over again and tbqh its only u and select few in ur grp that really pushing this merc pack thing. u got refunded ur merc packs and was told there would be no more resets to use it wisely and to still hear/read this and spend it then want it back to re-spend on more SP boosters is double dipping tbqh
Mavado here is the thing, the internet forumz are not a proper methodology for any corporation to communicate language like this. To be clear they simply said no more resets we however immediately asked what about merc packs and aurum. They said no more reset. We asked so is this commercial release. They said no. We said but language says we get refunds on commercial release. Now head began to scratch.
This is a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand does. Keep in mind that the langauge and disclaimers placed on these items on the PSN store which has since been removed and the gamestop ones (which are still there and really the ball is being dropped everyday CCP doesnt get CCP to remove that language. Ive bought a few and could really be a prick about it if I chose to because corporations need to learn how to manage their **** or hire people that do).
http://www.gamestop.com/ps3/dlc/dust-514-gamestop-mercenary-pack/106107
The language in these packs have to be sufficient enough to stand on their own without additional need to dig for additional info. When CCP removed that language from the PSN pack they changed the terms and it then falls on them to make sure that information is disseminated in manner that ensure 100% penetrance or reasonable expecation of. (this could have easily been achieved with an in game and RL email to the game acct CCP has knowledge of them because our accounts are tied to Sony login which is tied to an email address). They failed to do any of these things and chose to either ignore the issue or have delayed so long because Legal and PR couldnt get their duck in a row and likely were afraid to create another Jita riots level incident.
This is what happens when you live in a litigation happy society where people will sue out of spite even when a company tries to be forthcoming and own up to making a mistake. Trust me i know this because American medicine is practiced entirely with that single fact in mind.
But here CCP has failed on multiple levels. Remember when Noc got that threadnaught started about 1-2 weeks ago and we got a dev response that they would look into it and get us back a response after telc or tiel originally submitted the question back on 1/14(4 days into TQ migration) We are still waiting.
There are multiple threads and CCP has failed to sticky and compile an effective FAQ and cut out BS and get to the meat of the matter in any reasonable way. They now find themselves in between a rock and hard place.
LET ME BE CLEAR THIS IS NOT A DEV FAILING. THIS IS PURELY PR and LEGAL. DEV SHOULDNT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS BS. BUT GM's should have had this as priority one and been on top of Legal and PR everyday for an answer to this. They didnt and here we are. Or maybe they did and Legal and PR are still clueless on what to do(fire em 3 months and still no answer thats utter fail, get rid of them this is corporate you dont let that stuff slide) If CCP isn't prepared to do that then thats okay no shame in it just as many dusters and EVE capsuleers have learned if you try to grow your organization too big too fast without the proper logistics before you are ready you will fall under the weight of the structure.
But consumers asking to enforce the terms of an agreement that were clearly written is by no means selfish or wrong, its in fact wrong for people to ask anyone to not enforce the rights of a contract which is exactly what people are asking for. Never mind that the gaming and more largely the entertainment industry as a whole use copyrights on their IP to protect ownership in a manner that allows them to "own" the product and simply use licensing law to give out a copy that is subject to change on the owners whim leaves consumers in a very weak position and at the mercy of content makers this change on the terms any changes into the EULA that occurs of it is exaclty the reason why. Consumers only recourse is economy but corporations arent dumb they know that people who want this entertainment will put up with it and will never mass protest to a level that could ever hurt them financially to stop it.
TL;DR what people are willing to put up with in terms of consumer rights and usage has changed over the long term because of these small incremental changes. That how you change the culture so that each successive generation simply accepts it as common place because they dont know how the landscape was prior to those changes they have always been there for thier lifetime. I however have lived a longer than most on this forum id imagine so ive seen the changes |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.04.14 18:09:00 -
[79] - Quote
@Gunner Pls don't take this the wrong way but.......... MWAH!
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Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
498
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Posted - 2013.04.14 18:31:00 -
[80] - Quote
Drud Green wrote:@Gunner Pls don't take this the wrong way but.......... MWAH!
When keepin it real goes horribly wrong.... Chappelle show Chappelle show
But yea thanks, sorry for the long post but stuff like this cant be TL;DR even though i did. |
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1109
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Posted - 2013.04.14 18:35:00 -
[81] - Quote
Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Why not just make beta merc packs worth a pack now, and another at launch?
Sure it will cost you some revenue from beta players for the first few months of the actual release, but it's a nice way to reward the players who are supporting your game before it's even a finished product.
(Limit 3, so no matter how many packs you bought in beta you only get up to 3 after beta maximum so people can't just invest heavily now for half the price)
This is EXACTLY what the merc packs were prior to January 22nd (minus the "Limit 3" bit). |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.04.14 19:09:00 -
[82] - Quote
Gunner Nightingale wrote:Drud Green wrote:@Gunner Pls don't take this the wrong way but.......... MWAH!
When keepin it real goes horribly wrong.... Chappelle show Chappelle showBut yea thanks, sorry for the long post but stuff like this cant be TL;DR even though i did.
WUTANG!
Your post summed it up very nicely, not much more can be added without some clarification from ccp. Hell your post should be stickied. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2486
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Posted - 2013.04.14 19:35:00 -
[83] - Quote
Baal Roo wrote:Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Why not just make beta merc packs worth a pack now, and another at launch?
Sure it will cost you some revenue from beta players for the first few months of the actual release, but it's a nice way to reward the players who are supporting your game before it's even a finished product.
(Limit 3, so no matter how many packs you bought in beta you only get up to 3 after beta maximum so people can't just invest heavily now for half the price) This is EXACTLY what the merc packs were prior to January 22nd (minus the "Limit 3" bit). No it's not.
We were promised a "full credit" of the gear in the Merc Pack on Commercial Release, which means we get everything back, but DON'T keep any leftovers we haven't used yet. |
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