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itsBad Furry
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:10:00 -
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you want tank fit???
more like you want PRO FITS !!!
ill tell you rite now being mostly the best tanker in game its all about what YOU Feel like and what Gun your using .
to start you off here you have 2 guns to pick from
Blaster or Railgun
Blasters are for your battle tanks
and battle tanks are hi HP tank with a booster
the best battle tanks are armor tank they have the most buff but are slow to turn and get up to speed *
*so remember when ever driving a battle tank stay close to cover as your speed is your heel .
now for a armor battle tank pro fit
1 L blaster
2 small blaster
Low,s 1 L rep 2 Armor hardeners 2 Resistance plates or 1 Resistance plates and a S rep ( only use fit in close in map)
( or if in a open map armor plate)
Hi.s 3 resistance amplifiers
and thats a battle tank.
shield battle tank
1 L blaster
2 small blaster
Hi,s 2 resistance amplifiers 1 shield booster 1 shield extender 1 shield hardener
lows 2 power Dignostic systems 1 systemic hybrid damage mod
and thats battle tanks. fittings may or may not be up to date with build and remeber to max out you fitting skills for CPU and PG. as well as mods
as for railgun tanks there called TD,s
( Tank destroyers)
and they only good for one thing !
(and yes i 99%of the time use them)
the best TD,s are shield tanks with the soma being the only Good armor tank if you only look at isk cost and may be the best tank for the job but most TD,s that are good are shield tanks.
TD shield tank
1 L railgun
2 small railguns
hi,s 2 resistance amplifiers 2 shield hardener 1 shield extender
lows 3 dmg mods for L railguns
TD armor
1 L railgun
2 small railguns
1 Resistance plate
2 Armor hardeners
1 L rep
1 armor plate
KING TD Soma fit FYT
AKA "**** YOUR TANK!"
ok for this to work you need to do is
max L raillgun skills to MAX !! with turret o[ to 5 as well.
Pro DMG mod,s IN ALL THE LOW,s
1 1700 Railgun !
hi,s 2 resistance amplifiers |
itsBad Furry
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.04 06:13:00 -
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PS: missiles are dildos ! |
Chances Ghost
Prototype Technology Corp.
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Posted - 2013.03.04 11:44:00 -
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For the ultimate EHP shield fit you actually want 2 shield extenders, as an extra 2k+ shields is more EHP than an extra 11-15% passive resist.
The best shield fit is currently
2x Hardener
1x Resistance amp
2x shield extender
Lows= either power diagnistics or damage mods depending on your tastes/needs/map
to calculate EHP use the following format
Tank base shields * shield control % * power diagnotics * power diagnostics + extendors
Then
Previous total * Hardener 1 * Hardener 2 *amp1
If i have that math wrong please correct me (note that shield control and power diags only increase based off the base shields of the tank and do NOT take extenders into concideration) |
Oyaeh BadFurry
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 02:38:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:For the ultimate EHP shield fit you actually want 2 shield extenders, as an extra 2k+ shields is more EHP than an extra 11-15% passive resist.
The best shield fit is currently
2x Hardener
1x Resistance amp
2x shield extender
The reason for two hardeners over 2 amps+1 hardener is because 2 hardeners are nessesary for the inevitable OB that gets placed on your head (if you activate the moment you hear the siren of death you should come out of the OB hurt, but you will survive (although due to slow shield recharge you will be out of the fight for quite a while unless your feeling risky or the rasberrys arnt throwing alot of AV your way.
Lows= either power diagnistics or damage mods depending on your tastes/needs/map
to calculate EHP use the following format
Tank base shields * shield control % * power diagnotics * power diagnostics + extendors
Then
Previous total * Hardener 1 * Hardener 2 *amp1
Also expressed as
( (tank base shields)*(shield control%)*(PowerDiagnostics1)*(Power Diagnostics2) + (extender1) + (extender2) ) * (Hardener1) * (hardener2) * (ResistanceAmp)
If i have that math wrong please correct me (note that shield control and power diags only increase based off the base shields of the tank and do NOT take extenders into concideration)
battle tested this in every build i ran tanks Failing fit at one time this worked but not any more with low resist you make it ezer to be killed by other tanks and forge guns are going to start loling at you.
this is why http://www.eve-guides.com/other/tankend.php
Shields and armour both have a natural base resistance to damage:
Shields: 0% vs EM, 60% vs Explosive, 40% Kinetic, 20% Thermal.
Armour: 60% vs EM, 10% Explosive, 35% Kinetic, 35% Thermal.
" Why should I use a resistance module when I can just slap on another extender/armour plate?
Two reasons: first, extenders and armour plates tend to be quite hard on the grid and CPU, and in the case of armour plates, they also add to the total weight of the ship GÇô slower, clumsier ships get hit more often! Secondly, many times, a resistance module actually adds more to the GÇ£trueGÇ¥ hit point total of the ship than another armour plate would. "
if that was not anuff there is a % modifier for whats hitting you like AR only gets its 12% thats a -88% to AR vs Tank or L railgun vs LAV 110%- 115% + 10 - 15 % more damage or Railgun vs HAV 125% - 189%
in one hand if your going to vs just AV like mines and RE and SL use the buff with a booster
PS: o one more thing when useing boosters and RR with hi resit you makes it ezer to tank incoming dmg and rep back up |
Chances Ghost
Prototype Technology Corp.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 03:00:00 -
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damn im actually going to have to make a spreadsheet for this arnt i |
Chances Ghost
Prototype Technology Corp.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 03:21:00 -
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Post reserved for shield calcs (have to redo them) |
Oyaeh BadFurry
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 04:34:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Ok im still correct
Fitting A
2x Shield Extendeers (best)
1x AMP (15%)
2x Hardener (30%)
2x Diag (+7% base shields)
EHP breakdown
EM: 19343.90
Explosive: 27403.35
Kenetic: 24919.31
Thermal 21827.93
Fitting B
1x Shield extender (best)
2x AMP
2x Hardener (30%
2 Diag (+7% base shields)
EHP breakdown
EM: 17086.89
Explosive: 23792.14
Kenetic: 21759.50
Thermal 19119.52
This conclusivly proves that 1 shield extender is a vastly inferior fit and the only reason to only have 1 shield extender would be to fit a booster, not an extra damage amp.
Of course fitting a booster sacrafices EHP but lets you get back into the fight quicker after taking alot of damage (although you will have to retreat before the buffer shield would of had to)
1st thing i want you to do is go to the shop take the price of all the best stuff you would use and add it up.
2nd Can you fit the pro 1700 railgun on it still ?
now add up the price of this fit with the 1700 rail gun .
TD shield tank
hi,s 2 resistance amplifiers 2 shield hardener 1 shield extender
lows 3 dmg mods for L railguns
can you tell me who wins ? |
Chances Ghost
Prototype Technology Corp.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 04:49:00 -
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yes you can fit it still, and yes the 2x shield extender wins, as i two shot the shields of other tanks
You diddnt come in here building a budget tank. your post clearly stated PRO fit, not budget fit
Isk is of no consequence to pros |
Oyaeh BadFurry
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 05:25:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:yes you can fit it still, and yes the 2x shield extender wins, as i two shot the shields of other tanks
You diddnt come in here building a budget tank. your post clearly stated PRO fit, not budget fit
Isk is of no consequence to pros
You should either do 1x shield extender + 1x booster or 2x shield extenders
Every otehr possable combination is weaker than those two options and will soak up less damage before exploding.
Ont he other hand i hope to see you in a game, we shall pit our railguns against each other and settle it once and for all (you wont like it)
1st off my fit put out more dmg then yours 2nd i fire alot faster then your rail gun even tho there the same do to the 3 dmg mod
i can unload 3 rounds down range buy the time it take you to get 2 and your fit only will take 2 hits
so it plays out like this we bout hit R1 at the same time no lag but becus it take mine less time to charge up and fire your hit 1st when your 1st round hits me my 2nd is going down range when your .5 sec away from firing your 2nd my 3rd round is 150 m out of my raillgun heading for you
to top it all off im doing 25+ more dmg
so no you do not win you lost be for you could fire your 2nd shot
this is the same fit i use for my TD when i ran STD and PRO tanks.
your fit is a Old fit from the days where tanks dint need boosters |
Oyaeh BadFurry
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 05:28:00 -
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[quote=
Ont he other hand i hope to see you in a game, we shall pit our railguns against each other and settle it once and for all (you wont like it)[/quote]
im only runing sica,s and soma,s this build
just letting you know not that you think im being a **** when your tank blows up from a sica that can 2 shot it. |
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Chances Ghost
Prototype Technology Corp.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 05:35:00 -
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ultimatly the difference in stats is not what decides a tank battle, its he who shoots first and if i land a shot on you and bring half your shields down before you have me in your sights are you still going to fire your railgun or are you going to find cover? |
Oyaeh BadFurry
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 05:42:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:ultimatly the difference in stats is not what decides a tank battle, its he who shoots first and if i land a shot on you and bring half your shields down before you have me in your sights are you still going to fire your railgun or are you going to find cover?
your asking one of the best tankers in game that will he play the noob and stand in the open ?
let me ask you say i got the 1st shot do you thing you will have time to back up into cove be for the 2nd round hit you ? |
Oyaeh BadFurry
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 05:44:00 -
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put it this way this build where playing its not about tanking in tanks its about how much dmg your tank do,s and how fast can it fire. |
Chances Ghost
Prototype Technology Corp.
16
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Posted - 2013.03.05 05:45:00 -
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the fact that your one of the best tanksers is probably making up for your weeker fit.
If its purely a numbers game then doudle extender eeks out first, extender+rep takes second and yours takes third
But its never just a numbers game |
Oyaeh BadFurry
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 05:53:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:the fact that your one of the best tanksers is probably making up for your weeker fit.
If its purely a numbers game then doudle extender eeks out first, extender+rep takes second and yours takes third
assuming both tanks fitted with the same gun and damage mods, mine still has more EHP and can therefor take more hits.
Your gimping your EHP and your gaining no benifit from doing so
But its never just a numbers game
im sorry numbers games dont fly with me i look at what works and my fit works a lot better for TD
as a battle tank fit yours is a old fit that fails now. |
Chances Ghost
Prototype Technology Corp.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 05:59:00 -
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Oyaeh BadFurry wrote:
im sorry numbers games dont fly with me i look at what works and my fit works a lot better for TD
as a battle tank fit yours is a old fit that fails now.
Sorry had to edit due to error in my spreadsheet |
Chances Ghost
Prototype Technology Corp.
16
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Posted - 2013.03.05 06:03:00 -
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A note for others reading this thread, if you do not have the ability to fit the 15% AMPs then you get more EHP moving to 2 shield extenders, so make your you skill up those resistance AMPs asap |
Oyaeh BadFurry
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 06:06:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:the fact that your one of the best tanksers is probably making up for your weeker fit.
If its purely a numbers game then doudle extender eeks out first, extender+rep takes second and yours takes third
assuming both tanks fitted with the same gun and damage mods, mine still has more EHP and can therefor take more hits.
Your gimping your EHP and your gaining no benifit from doing so
But its never just a numbers game
fitted with damage mods and 2 extenders
EM18696.47
Explosive26367.4645
Kenetic24012.91425
Thermal21051.02025
Your fit
EM17086.890023125
Explosive23792.136537
Kenetic21759.502282375
Thermal19119.52427775
Both hit for the same damage and the same rate of fire assuming (max) skills Only yours has a weaker shield for no aparent reason
The math doesnt lie
yes it do,s
this is why --> fitted with damage(3) mods and 2 extenders
that 1700 is not going on you will need 2391 PG you will only have with skills 2256.25 pg |
Oyaeh BadFurry
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 06:24:00 -
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dont get me wrong i miss the old fit outs but CCP dont like litte bad furry running down the noob mice and crushing them under his treads |
M3DIC 2U
RED COLONIAL MARINES
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.03.05 18:56:00 -
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aren't there stacking penalties to things? So the second one isn't giving you the same boost as the first? |
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YesBad Furry
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.05 19:25:00 -
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M3DIC 2U wrote:aren't there stacking penalties to things? So the second one isn't giving you the same boost as the first?
1st 10% 2nd 8% 3rd 5% dmg something like that.
speed
1st 5% 2nd 4% 3rd 2.5%
charge up time is .3 s with the 3 dmg mods its .0345s
interveals 2.2s with 3 mods they are .253s |
Tanker God
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:57:00 -
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bump need to know anything just ask anything i know all ! |
Joseph Ridgeson
Cactus Rats
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Posted - 2013.03.09 01:32:00 -
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Pardon my ignorance but why no Armor extenders on Battle Armor tanks?
Be well. |
Tanker God
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.09 05:57:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Pardon my ignorance but why no Armor extenders on Battle Armor tanks?
Be well.
"Low,s 1 L rep 2 Armor hardeners 2 Resistance plates or 1 Resistance plates and a S rep ( only use fit in close in map)
-------------------> ( or if in a open map armor plate) <------------------ " |
BestBad DayFurry
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.10 06:40:00 -
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bump of god ! |
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