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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.01.22 14:52:00 -
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Allright due to the new AUR price changes the cost exploded for new players. Well lets see what a fully fit Militia BPO suit costs (AUR-Gé¼) (assault fit) Dropsuit: 6.400 AUR Primary weapon: 11.800 AUR secondary weapon: 11.800 AUR grenades: 9800AUR equipment: 9.800AUR 3X modules : (4800X3= 14400 AUR) total: 64.000AUR
now lets take a look at the PSN store AUR packages to achieve 64.000AUR: 40.000 AUR= 19.99Gé¼ 20.000 AUR= 9.99Gé¼ 4.000 AUR= 1.99Gé¼ 64.000AUR= 31.97Gé¼
This price tag is just for 1 militia fully fit assault dropsuit. In some kinda way CCP payd us the closed beta testers out. Just think of it what we all got. A full set of skinweaves suit which is equal to the militia suits ( 25.600 AUR), the exile assault rifle (standard AR and probs worth of 35.400 AUR) and the opportunity to buy militia BPO's at a insane low price (20-30 AUR each piece). Alone the event items are worth of 61.000 AUR. The exile AR price is based of the price difference from the militia dropsuit BPO and the MAG tribute suits (multiplikator 3X) |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.01.22 14:53:00 -
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Infinite dropsuit.
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Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2013.01.22 14:54:00 -
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Makes me feel lucky I got my AUR stuff earlier and makes me more ELITE at this point (AUR wise). |
skinn trayde
On The Brink
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Posted - 2013.01.22 15:00:00 -
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look at it this way... if you buy the BPOs to fit out infinite militia at that $32 rate - that's still less than buying a game that gives you those... what would a new copy of BF3 / CODxxx etc cost you on PSN/Boxed Retail ? |
OgTheEnigma
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
90
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Posted - 2013.01.22 15:23:00 -
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If people are willing to pay for this then it at least provides CCP a nice revenue stream and will help support Dust into the future. Militia gear is so cheap in ISK that you could afford 100 dropsuits from a single game. Honestly, the only militia item I've been using recently is the nanohive, although I've changed to the standard in the last couple of days to give me enough CPU to use complex shield extenders. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
673
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Posted - 2013.01.22 15:48:00 -
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Bpo's aren't needed to play, handy but not needed. Although they do come in useful to use until you build up a healty amount of isk, I used bpo's until I hit 5 mil isk, when/if i get below 50,000 isk then I'll switch back to bpo's and repeat the process. |
G Sacred 2100142574
Rubber Chicken Bombers
73
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Posted - 2013.01.22 15:48:00 -
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Hey look. CCP is making this game free to play. Meaning they need a way to pay for production costs, advertisements, VOIP carriers, etc. Having a BPO of something is very valuable and I fully support CCP's decision in making BPOs so expensive. We don't HAVE to buy them. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
673
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Posted - 2013.01.22 15:57:00 -
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G Sacred 2100142574 wrote:Hey look. CCP is making this game free to play. Meaning they need a way to pay for production costs, advertisements, VOIP carriers, etc. Having a BPO of something is very valuable and I fully support CCP's decision in making BPOs so expensive. We don't HAVE to buy them.
Can't please everyone though bro, if dust was monthly sub of $15 people would still be complaining that the sub is too much blah blah. I do agree with the bpo's but they could be a tad lower for the new players. I feel sorry for them I really do, they're going to get raped in those starter fits |
Gringo Nos
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:07:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:G Sacred 2100142574 wrote:Hey look. CCP is making this game free to play. Meaning they need a way to pay for production costs, advertisements, VOIP carriers, etc. Having a BPO of something is very valuable and I fully support CCP's decision in making BPOs so expensive. We don't HAVE to buy them. Can't please everyone though bro, if dust was monthly sub of $15 people would still be complaining that the sub is too much blah blah. I do agree with the bpo's but they could be a tad lower for the new players. I feel sorry for them I really do, they're going to get raped in those starter fits
If you had to pay monthly I wouldn't be playing. Was happy to buy a bit of Aurum though. |
crazy space 2100046106
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:37:00 -
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The seems a bit high.... They said the boos used to cost 5 cents and they were increasing it to 50 cents, / a dollar each. Wtf happened ? |
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Mirana Cheshire
Forgotten Militia
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:40:00 -
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crazy space 2100046106 wrote:The seems a bit high.... They said the boos used to cost 5 cents and they were increasing it to 50 cents, / a dollar each. Wtf happened ?
pay to save happened |
Karl Koekwaus
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:40:00 -
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and once you purchase all the gear it is yours forever, never having to restock etc...
I really don't see the problem here
Too expensive for your taste? Don't buy it. |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
673
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:40:00 -
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crazy space 2100046106 wrote:The seems a bit high.... They said the boos used to cost 5 cents and they were increasing it to 50 cents, / a dollar each. Wtf happened ?
They said 1 cent would increase to 20 cents etc, or something along those lines. Current prices are not what was originally stated |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
673
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:42:00 -
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Karl Koekwaus wrote:and once you purchase all the gear it is yours forever, never having to restock etc...
I really don't see the problem here
Too expensive for your taste? Don't buy it.
Can you justify $32 for a militia fit? I'm thinking of the new players here. I already have every bpo |
crazy space 2100046106
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:46:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:Karl Koekwaus wrote:and once you purchase all the gear it is yours forever, never having to restock etc...
I really don't see the problem here
Too expensive for your taste? Don't buy it. Can you justify $32 for a militia fit? I'm thinking of the new players here. I already have every bpo **** no. As someone who thankfully got everything at pennies. I have this to say. For that price I'd expect standard level at the least. Militia gear sucks, it should be 10$ tops for a fully fit single dropsuit. And even that's on the high end ad it would cost 60$ to get everything. Ccp people won't spend more than ten bucks for a whole suit |
Corbina Ninja
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
77
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:49:00 -
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crazy prices...
if first recommend to my friends to buy mercs pack for UTV, booster and militia BPO now recommend just spend Gé¼ 2 every 4 months for UTV booster? only if you feel the need... |
Karl Koekwaus
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:53:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:Karl Koekwaus wrote:and once you purchase all the gear it is yours forever, never having to restock etc...
I really don't see the problem here
Too expensive for your taste? Don't buy it. Can you justify $32 for a militia fit?
Since I'm having no problems with buying stuff from the market for isk and lol militia gear,
no.
Convenience costs money, nothing bad with that. |
crazy space 2100046106
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:57:00 -
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Bs one match buys 100 fully fit milita suits in isk. |
LoveNewlooy
WarRavens
6
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Posted - 2013.01.22 17:00:00 -
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good thing i buy the ravens dropsuit b4 it chnage lol...
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James-5955
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
151
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Posted - 2013.01.22 17:48:00 -
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I would never spend that much on a militia BPO fit. |
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Flyingconejo
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
82
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Posted - 2013.01.22 18:05:00 -
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Sorry CCP, but in good conscience, I can't advise anyone to buy the BPOs at those prices.
I think you went a little overboard, to put it mildly.
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Tenchu-13
What The French
76
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Posted - 2013.01.22 18:28:00 -
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Yes price have gone kinda out of control compared to the previously announced prices. but this was to be expected. 32 bucks for an 'eternal and skillless suit' is quite high... but nobody needs ALL of those BPO's .
Besides nobody forces them to buy them. ISK varients will do the trick just as good. Also it's kinda to the elder corp members to inform the newbs/anons that militia gear is NOT the way to go. Inform them to buy the isk variant and if they must spend AUR on something make them buy the type2 suits for 20.000 AUR.
Am I ok with the new prices; yes and no. No because they went kinda haywire with them. Yes because I did the smart thing... I stockpiled most of the items when they where still cheap, knowing this would happen.
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Bob Deorum
G I A N T
14
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:49:00 -
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I think the price change is just completely ********. It is amazing to think that they are not going to do another wipe, escpically since some people could have gotten a ton of those for like nothing. |
Tenchu-13
What The French
76
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:56:00 -
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Bob Deorum wrote:I think the price change is just completely ********. It is amazing to think that they are not going to do another wipe, escpically since some people could have gotten a ton of those for like nothing.
They could... yet they didn't. Price change was announced prior to the chance. Ok they kinda went overboard and made things around 20 times more expensive then announced, but he **** happens. If people simply kept themselves informed then they would have known to buy their stuff yesterday. I
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Finn Kempers
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.01.23 09:09:00 -
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I feel lucky I bought every single BPO (except for militia suits as I have skin weave) the day before price change. I saved myself a LOT of money. Finally it turns out closed beta testers get benefits like we've been requesting for ages XD |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2013.01.23 09:42:00 -
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You seem to be ignoring the option of using your starter fits effectively.
Dropsuit: 0 AUR Weapons: 11,800 AUR each. Most fittings will only need one weapon switched from the default. Grenades: 0 AUR Equipment: 9.800AUR Modules: 4,800 AUR per module. One purchased module will usually be all that's required to round out a Starter Fit.
Total: Anything from 0 AUR (if you're really lucky with not needing to change anything) up to 52,800 with a heavily-modified Logi suit. |
KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2013.01.23 09:50:00 -
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Lets hope noobs buy AUR by the truckload. Then CCP can pay devs overtime round the clock to give us lots of shiny new content |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2013.01.23 09:58:00 -
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-ú5 for a Nanohive. **** no. Can't advise my friends to spend anywhere near the amounts required. That -ú1.59 will be all CCP get from me with these prices. Can't speak for others. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
288
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Posted - 2013.01.23 10:04:00 -
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At this point they need to charge more for militia crap than proto. I'm sick and tired of getting insta-killed by nothing but Exile, militia, and standard AR's. Use a ******* GEK already you douchebags!
CCP and their weapon flattening, that nobody asked for. |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
125
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Posted - 2013.01.23 10:05:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote: That -ú1.59 will be all CCP get from me with these prices. Can't speak for others.
yep. QFT
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Sylvana Nightwind
Expert Intervention Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.01.23 10:07:00 -
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For zero-risk gear this is more than acceptable. |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
125
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Posted - 2013.01.23 10:17:00 -
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Sylvana Nightwind wrote:For zero-risk gear this is more than acceptable.
the point is:
militia gear is no risk tiny amount of isk required (its equivalent)
Stater fits are free - and can be customised with isk equipmen.
why would anyone buy this stuff at these prices? |
Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
7
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:12:00 -
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xAckie wrote:Sylvana Nightwind wrote:For zero-risk gear this is more than acceptable. the point is: militia gear is no risk tiny amount of isk required (its equivalent) Stater fits are free - and can be customised with isk equipmen. why would anyone buy this stuff at these prices?
Fully agree. Just customize the starter kits. It won't be very efficient but neither would an all militia loadout. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:33:00 -
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Obviously, the new prices for militia iteam BPOs are way, way, way, way too high Why, coz they're just militia stuff. So pointless after 2 weeks of playing imo.
CCP, believe me when i tell you that every new player will hear from the people he asks advice to that buying those stuff is definitely pointless. Thus, you wont make any money out of it.
Previous prices being too low, that i can get. But the new ones are just ridiculous. |
Vane Arcadia
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
115
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Posted - 2013.01.23 11:57:00 -
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The easiest way to object to the new AUR prices is to simply not pay.
I have an alt on a seperate psn - no aur no boosters no BPO.
He uses full militia isk items + either a mass driver or a laser.
I only play him on the weekends and already he has 4mill isk - the isk payouts can easily cover the costs. |
Orin the Freak
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
334
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:16:00 -
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far too high. I think 2000 for a dropsuit BPO, 1000 for each weapon, and 250 for all other dropsuit modules/equipment would be far, FAR more fair, but still encourage people to buy AUR. also, why raise the price of the tributes? $6 for an in-game item is already steep enough. I mean, before the price raise, it was already approaching horse armor levels of gouging. we are now looking at $10 for a hot dog (IE Stadium prices) levels of insanity. I can only hope a programmer accidentally threw a few extra numbers into the equation. |
Mars El'Theran
Red Rogue Squadron Heart 0f Darkness
52
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:22:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Makes me feel lucky I got my AUR stuff earlier and makes me more ELITE at this point (AUR wise).
I'd delete mine if I could.
edit: Though, actually I apparently didn't pay clear enough attention to the post on it as this is cheaper than I was thinking. I seem to recall seeing lots of 19800, but I suppose it was skim, 9800-9800-9800...and to the bottom.. 19800, then evaluate from there.
But regardless, I fully understand they are unlimited use items, but they also started out as free unlimited items, and they are rather poor ones at that. The Militia fits are barely functional and have rather bad fitting capabilities. Any type 1 suit and fit will dominate one with ease.
Also, they don't actually have a great variety of modules, so you are stuck with standard items for any 'good' fit either way. All I cam away from this with, (aside from a share of anger), is that they are not particularly worth the investment. They will not substitute long term, and they are cheap enough individually to make it foolish to invest in them with AUR at these prices.
Better to drop it on that Raven Suit, which I actually meant to do, but bought the Primordial instead, when I did. I have a Skinweave Assault which looks as good and works equally well. The Raven is marginally better ofc.
tl;dr: They are cheap and they should be cheap. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
162
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:48:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:Karl Koekwaus wrote:and once you purchase all the gear it is yours forever, never having to restock etc...
I really don't see the problem here
Too expensive for your taste? Don't buy it. Can you justify $32 for a militia fit? I'm thinking of the new players here. I already have every bpo I do think the BPOs should be cheaper, but the 32 is for a full fitted militia dropsuit. As a primary suit no one needs to spend that as all anyone will be doing is buying one module and one equipment to fill out the free militia suit EVERYONE has at the beginning. Depending on what class is picked on character creation there's is a free FULLY fitted suit. Some might want to change their sidearm or equipment, that's their choice. Anyone that feels they have to pay 32 euro to have a secondary free suit either has either the money and wants an easy start or doesn't have the time to play enough, or seriously lacks game skills. If you don't have the basic game skills or money then maybe Dust isn't for you. ISK payouts are more than enough to support a decent tier I suit setup partnered with the free suit you picked. Don't spend what the pocket can't support. And that's applies to Aurum as much as ISK. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
162
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:57:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:You seem to be ignoring the option of using your starter fits effectively.
Dropsuit: 0 AUR Weapons: 11,800 AUR each. Most fittings will only need one weapon switched from the default. Grenades: 0 AUR Equipment: 9.800AUR Modules: 4,800 AUR per module. One purchased module will usually be all that's required to round out a Starter Fit.
Total: Anything from 0 AUR (if you're really lucky with not needing to change anything) up to 52,800 with a heavily-modified Logi suit. I hadn't read down the thread enough before I posted put this is exactly what I said. I think people are blowing things out of proportions. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
162
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:01:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:At this point they need to charge more for militia crap than proto. I'm sick and tired of getting insta-killed by nothing but Exile, militia, and standard AR's. Use a ******* GEK already you douchebags! CCP and their weapon flattening, that nobody asked for. Really!!! How about the fact that it's early days and some people are working on other core skills than AR. Don't worry, the higher tier weapons will be killing ya more regularly soon enough |
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Mars El'Theran
Red Rogue Squadron Heart 0f Darkness
52
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:28:00 -
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Do recall the starter fits are free and unlimited, and then consider they only include the Militia Dropsuit you cam with. This doesn't leave much room for trying other Dropsuits and fits aside from buying them individually or spending the AUR to aquire the BPOs.
This isn't a huge deal, but it does impact the game in some small fashion, and more importantly, it suggests that any further additions of this sort will be beyond prohibitively expensive. If a Raven Suit, (or equivalent Logi or Scout), BPO costs ~$10, then what of other items that are better, or come to complement that?
Type I or Class I items are not exactly cheap, and I for one cannot afford to stock them for battles where I expect to see losses. This particularly covers ambush, where you can be spawn killed 9 times out of 10 on occasion, but also extends to Skirmish when you are facing an organized team and have none of your own.
Generally, I lose ISK per Battle if I buy these items and use them. I can quite honestly say that I'm fairly certain I've had as many as 30 losses in one battle. Using a Starter fit is one alternative, but it doesn't leave much room for experimentation. Militia BPOs are the other alternative, and though poor in fitting, they do allow a little experimentation.
The last option is just buying, using, and losing Militia gear. This is fine as an alternative when compared to the loss of 'real' fits and the AUR cost of BPOs at the new prices. At least you can earn ISK, while suffering a greater K/D loss ratio unfortunately, if not much greater ime, doing this.
I was fine with paying the AUR for the alternate Militia Dropsuit, or somewhat more for a type I, then fitting it with militia items and maybe the odd Type I item as a way of compensating. The Militia BPOs simply made this easier and were readily available at the old AUR cost. Some might say to available, and I wouldn't entirely disagree with them.
As it is, if we can expect these changes to stick, I'd just as soon even things out and have all non-skill-associated purchases reimbursed and the items removed. |
R F Gyro
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
315
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:35:00 -
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Quote:In a shocking revelation today, BullCrap news has learned that customers want the things they buy to be cheaper. More details after the break. |
Rus Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
6
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Posted - 2013.03.02 17:59:00 -
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EVE Universe is supposed to have risks. The BPO items reduce the risk, thus they *need* to be bad deals. Otherwise they will break the game.
Every loss needs to hurt. Otherwise it's not EVE Universe. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
94
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Posted - 2013.03.02 18:44:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:Karl Koekwaus wrote:and once you purchase all the gear it is yours forever, never having to restock etc...
I really don't see the problem here
Too expensive for your taste? Don't buy it. Can you justify $32 for a militia fit? I'm thinking of the new players here. I already have every bpo
i can justify it based off the fact that the equivalent militia suit would probably cost around 10k isk a suit, its really up to each person weather they want to shell out that kind of money or not (when in reality they dont "need" to). Us beta testers got it easy cuz all that militia stuff was practically given to us :) |
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