DUST Search - How much ISK have you made hunting vehicles. Is it broken?

HowDidThatTaste wrote:

It is hard to get an accurate number but the perceived pay outs of tanks is extremely low.

According to cmdr Wang. "[BUG] Killing vehicles not giving proper payout Status: You do get rewards for killing vehicles. The perceived low payout could be due to another feature introduced earlier that reduced the total reward payout if you did not complete a full match i.e. joining a match that is already in progress."

In the E3 build you knew when you took out an expensive vehicle cause you saw a large payout at the end of the match.

I have taken out some serious vehicles in the same match and received less isk than I would have if I would have just hunted infantry. Something is wrong.

What I would like to see us do is post our investment in AV and reward at end if match, my preliminary stats say it is a huge looser to run high end forge fits. There by gimping the AV role.

Even with the huge 3 time pay out week , someone thats sole role in a match is AV will get less payout for the tanks they spent the whole match hunting and killing than infantry cause it is a shared reward, and is dependant of how long you were in the match?

Anyway I don't have enough facts to determine exactly how much isk reward we get per tank kill, but it is much less than I spend in AV. So any help would be great.

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HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.11.20 11:22:00 - [1] - Quote It is hard to get an accurate number but the perceived pay outs of tanks is extremely low. According to cmdr Wang. "[BUG] Killing vehicles not giving proper payout Status: You do get rewards for killing vehicles. The perceived low payout could be due to another feature introduced earlier that reduced the total reward payout if you did not complete a full match i.e. joining a match that is already in progress." In the E3 build you knew when you took out an expensive vehicle cause you saw a large payout at the end of the match. I have taken out some serious vehicles in the same match and received less isk than I would have if I would have just hunted infantry. Something is wrong. What I would like to see us do is post our investment in AV and reward at end if match, my preliminary stats say it is a huge looser to run high end forge fits. There by gimping the AV role. Even with the huge 3 time pay out week , someone thats sole role in a match is AV will get less payout for the tanks they spent the whole match hunting and killing than infantry cause it is a shared reward, and is dependant of how long you were in the match? Anyway I don't have enough facts to determine exactly how much isk reward we get per tank kill, but it is much less than I spend in AV. So any help would be great.
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die 134	Posted - 2012.11.20 17:13:00 - [2] - Quote I joined a game after being in the warbarge for 1:00. I helped to take out a dropship, solo'd 2 LAVs, and got help taking out 2 tanks from 3 other forge gunners.... total ISK at end of match yesterday for going 4kills / 9 deaths was a measly 150,000 (it was also a victory....don't forget to add in that feature/ effect) I joined a game, that just started but had about 65 clones left for each side, I killed no vehicles, but was a gunner for an LAV, went 12 kills, 3 deaths.... for a LOSS and got 280,000 isk. So, what is really going on here?
D'Finn Rhedlyne Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 266	Posted - 2012.11.20 17:37:00 - [3] - Quote I took out 2 tanks in one match using AV and thought i was in for a hefty pay check... 220K ish... perhaps they were crappy tanks...
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2012.11.20 17:52:00 - [4] - Quote From what I have seem this is what it appears to be. I run ADV infantry AR with ADV AV nades. When there are alot of vehicles and I am destroying a ton of LAVs I will get a large payout IF at the same time I am getting alot of warpoints and come out as top of the lists in warpoints. Infact had a friends who played AV with swarm launcher in a game where the enemy brought out 4 tanks total throughout the match and a ton of LAVs. I took out 1 tank with my AV nades and a ton of LAVs. I also killed alot of enemies and captured points. I know i didnt kill as many vehicles as my teammate did but I did get more actual kills and had alot more warpoints than he did. We won the match and I got over 400K while he got 280K. It seems that all the money earned from the vehicle and dropsuit kills goes to a general pool fund for that game. Then the top warpoint earners gets a larger share of the ISK based on their warpoints not on how many vehicles they killed. I notice in games where there are alot of enemy vehicles and we have alot of AV destroying them but I dont get a chance to destroy many myself if I fight to get a ton of warpoints I will get ALOT of money even when I dont destroy a ton of vehicles.
Moochie Cricket SyNergy Gaming 143	Posted - 2012.11.20 17:53:00 - [5] - Quote I took out 2 rdv's and had a decent match. Made almost 300,000isk
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2012.11.20 17:56:00 - [6] - Quote BTW i never u/s why people try to steal enemy vehicles. Any LAV left unattended is probably cheap and not worth stealing but the money you can add to the pool for destroying it is quite a better bonus. I laugh when I see ppl try to steal onikumas and balochs.....then I destroy the vehicles while they are trying to steal them........although i did see someone leave a proto LAV out in the open before....nom nom nom.
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1032	Posted - 2012.11.20 18:01:00 - [7] - Quote it all depends. if i spend all match trying to kill a ds or tank and lose 3 150k suits and while allowing other players to cap objectives I get very little. It seems war points is used in distributing them and it doesn't work for AV guys. If we focus on AV all game its normally a cat/mouse game with vehicles. So we wont be killing people or taking objectives. Even if I am squad leader its not much. I get the most isk when I throw av nades on LAVs and tanks. I can also do so with a mitlia suit and 2k AV nades. Much more isk efficent. I feel your pain on this Senior Death Taxie :-)
Knightshade Belladonna Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2012.11.20 18:13:00 - [8] - Quote Free Beers wrote: it all depends. if i spend all match trying to kill a ds or tank and lose 3 150k suits and while allowing other players to cap objectives I get very little. It seems war points is used in distributing them and it doesn't work for AV guys. If we focus on AV all game its normally a cat/mouse game with vehicles. So we wont be killing people or taking objectives. Even if I am squad leader its not much. I get the most isk when I throw av nades on LAVs and tanks. I can also do so with a mitlia suit and 2k AV nades. Much more isk efficent. I feel your pain on this Senior Death Taxie :-) One game I took out 2 tanks and a bunch of LAV got 65k isk, and was there from the begining of match. And one game I took out 3 DS and a couple LAV and got almost 400k isk.. something is not working correctly.. that is all I know
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1032	Posted - 2012.11.20 18:24:00 - [9] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Free Beers wrote: it all depends. if i spend all match trying to kill a ds or tank and lose 3 150k suits and while allowing other players to cap objectives I get very little. It seems war points is used in distributing them and it doesn't work for AV guys. If we focus on AV all game its normally a cat/mouse game with vehicles. So we wont be killing people or taking objectives. Even if I am squad leader its not much. I get the most isk when I throw av nades on LAVs and tanks. I can also do so with a mitlia suit and 2k AV nades. Much more isk efficent. I feel your pain on this Senior Death Taxie :-) One game I took out 2 tanks and a bunch of LAV got 65k isk, and was there from the begining of match. And one game I took out 3 DS and a couple LAV and got almost 400k isk.. something is not working correctly.. that is all I know its not random there is a formula to it. sadly i think it war point based. so all isk it pooled and they you get part of that pool based upon the precent of war points you get. Now i do think ccp puts a min in based upon time played but that doesn't help us. I think taking wp away for doing partial damage is wrong and the fact that killing vehicles on average is expensive and time comsuming in a match.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 317	Posted - 2012.11.20 19:25:00 - [10] - Quote Well personally i think it would be better if instead of pooling you get what you kill. And if you win you get a set amount. Something like this. 100K to each person (if in full game) for winning. 20K to each person (if in full game) for loss. You get the ISK cost of what you kill. (for BPO or AUR you get ISK of similar items) For every capture of a point you get 5000 ISK and for a capture assist you get 2500 isk

charlesnette dalari Creative Killers 159	Posted - 2012.11.20 22:35:00 - [11] - Quote I agree the isk payouts in this build are way too low and don't seem to make much sense sometimes. I am finding it hard to cover the cost of my gear many matches and I am a pretty decent player. As an example the other day I played a match from the beginning and had 2 LAV kills 3 objective captures and 17 infantry kills. I don't remember my war point total but I was 3rd on the leaderboard and we won the match. Well you would think I should have had a decent payout right? Nope I got 118,000 isk not enough to pay for 2 drop suits I run. So I think isk rewards have to increase next build since I find myself using more aurum than I want. I know my spending aurum is good for CCP but if isk payout doesn't increase I will be playing dust a lot less. The isk rewards in the E3 build were maybe slightly too high but not by much, CCP should return the isk rewards closer to that build on the next build. If they don't I can't justify playing dust and spending a whole lot more than I already spend on EVE which is what I will have to do to run the fits I like with these payouts.
angelarch Algintal Core Gallente Federation 93	Posted - 2012.11.20 22:46:00 - [12] - Quote I make more isk killing cheap mercs and losing than expensive vehicles and winning. I hope that get re-balanced sometime in the future.
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 140	Posted - 2012.11.20 23:28:00 - [13] - Quote Payouts for expensive dropsuits/ weapons are pretty sweet. Vehicles definitely less so.. If you were to increase the HAV+Dropship kill prices it could kick start a small economy were tank drivers were AV to grind isk?(in between tanks). In fact I'm sure anyone with a kill assist on a Segaris should get a 50k isk bonus.. Because they would of earned it.
DJINN Riot 63	Posted - 2012.11.20 23:55:00 - [14] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: It is hard to get an accurate number but the perceived pay outs of tanks is extremely low. According to cmdr Wang. "[BUG] Killing vehicles not giving proper payout Status: You do get rewards for killing vehicles. The perceived low payout could be due to another feature introduced earlier that reduced the total reward payout if you did not complete a full match i.e. joining a match that is already in progress." In the E3 build you knew when you took out an expensive vehicle cause you saw a large payout at the end of the match. I have taken out some serious vehicles in the same match and received less isk than I would have if I would have just hunted infantry. Something is wrong. What I would like to see us do is post our investment in AV and reward at end if match, my preliminary stats say it is a huge looser to run high end forge fits. There by gimping the AV role. Even with the huge 3 time pay out week , someone thats sole role in a match is AV will get less payout for the tanks they spent the whole match hunting and killing than infantry cause it is a shared reward, and is dependant of how long you were in the match? Anyway I don't have enough facts to determine exactly how much isk reward we get per tank kill, but it is much less than I spend in AV. So any help would be great. This. Heavies of the world unite.
Jonny Moreau Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 13	Posted - 2012.11.21 00:14:00 - [15] - Quote Had a game where i ran with my pretty tricked out rail gunnlogi after my first death in a militia suit. I killed two other gunnlogi's and a militia tank (all were on the ground at once) got about 11 maybe 12 kills total and got a whopping 273k isk...for 3 gunnlogi kills....my tank runs 750k isk on the low end, and i have one thats 1 mil. so at least a mil isk damage to the other team and only a quarter of the damage in return.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.21 01:31:00 - [16] - Quote I think I know where the ISK rewards are going... I ran 0 deaths in an Ambush match, but called in 2 Sicas and had one of them destroyed. I bailed before it exploded, and managed to gun down the guy who did it, then his teammate ran away. Enemy team had no vehicles killed, just infantry. I heard someone else RDV something, and I think I caught a glimpse of a red LAV icon at one point, but I'm not 100% sure what the vehicle was, and I never saw it die. I only had 2 or 3 kills, and about 300WP, mostly from my gunner getting more kills than me. Guess who had 400k ISK at the end of the match? My gunner dropped before the end, so apparently I got all my team's rewards, but still... WTF was that? I did barely any real damage, got a tank blown up, and somehow earned enough to replace it and get a new one... That's... kind of wrong. So it looks like the team who LOSES the tank is getting the bonus, instead of the ones who KILLED it. Anyone care to experiment more?
Grenwal Hiesenberg Shadow Company HQ 225	Posted - 2012.11.21 01:45:00 - [17] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Anyone care to experiment more? I'd be happyto be on the giving end, as long as whoever promises to hold still


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