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Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.20 03:20:00 -
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I had gunlogi worth 350000 isk and he had aurum advanced worth about 2 U.S, pennies (the proto type equivelent is worth 80000). I dont understand this bs even more because of the skills you have to obtain to get there. Although the AV guy uses about 100 thousand more sp than the tank guy(about 200 thousand less if aurum is used) the tank guy had to pay about 2 or 3 million isk to buy the skill books(i counted but i cant remember which of those it was) while the AV pays only 100 thousand isk to buy them. Also the tracer rounds on forge guns are almost imposible to see(that might be a bug). |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.10.20 04:04:00 -
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you only lost 350000 isk. i lost a tank worth of 740.000ISK to a proto breach forgegun. You can be happy that your tank didnt cost that much. |
GIZMO2606
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
293
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Posted - 2012.10.20 04:21:00 -
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Forge Gun = Anti-Vehicle weapon. Get use to it, players have learned that the best way to take out vehicles is with a Forge Gun. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.10.20 04:22:00 -
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Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? |
LORD HUMPY
12
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Posted - 2012.10.20 04:23:00 -
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Must have been a crappy fitting, never two hit a tank with a Breach Forge Gun in my life... |
Zekain Kade
BetaMax.
931
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Posted - 2012.10.20 04:26:00 -
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my sica can take 3 shots. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.10.20 04:29:00 -
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GIZMO2606 wrote:Forge Gun = Anti-Vehicle weapon. Get use to it, players have learned that the best way to take out vehicles is with a Forge Gun. Which seems fair considering swarm launchers are pretty much useless against any pilot with half a brain. |
Conraire
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.10.20 04:31:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE?
If they're poorly tanked a stealth bomber can take out a BC in short order, especially if they get a chance to fire more than one bomb off, by for example not moving or trying to get out of the area. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2012.10.20 04:40:00 -
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Conraire wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? If they're poorly tanked a stealth bomber can take out a BC in short order, especially if they get a chance to fire more than one bomb off, by for example not moving or trying to get out of the area.
I love my Purifier. LOL
But as I pointed out in another post, besides rail and missile installations and vehicle mounted turrets, AV Grenades, SWARMS, and Forge guns... What else are tanks vulnerable to?
Heavy forge gunners are vulnerable to everything. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:00:00 -
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GIZMO2606 wrote:Forge Gun = Anti-Vehicle weapon. Get use to it, players have learned that the best way to take out vehicles is with a Forge Gun. ARs are anti infantry, does that mean it should kill infantry in two hits? if you said yes they you should go back to cod. |
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Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:02:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Conraire wrote:[quote=STB Vermaak Doe]Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? Heavy forge gunners are vulnerable to everything. BUULLLL **** |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:04:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? so yes i completely agree with you that it takes less time to get 3 million isk than it does to get 100,000 sp |
GIZMO2606
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
293
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:04:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:GIZMO2606 wrote:Forge Gun = Anti-Vehicle weapon. Get use to it, players have learned that the best way to take out vehicles is with a Forge Gun. ARs are anti infantry, does that mean it should kill infantry in two hits? if you said yes they you should go back to cod.
LolCOD and seems someone is butthurt from losing 350,000 ISK
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Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:06:00 -
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LORD HUMPY wrote:Must have been a crappy fitting, never two hit a tank with a Breach Forge Gun in my life... i asumed it would have two hit if i didn't use my sheild hardeners(instead it 3 hit). also it was an assault forge gun (thats why i had no time to react) |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:06:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Conraire wrote:[quote=STB Vermaak Doe]Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? Heavy forge gunners are vulnerable to everything. BUULLLL ****
Use a blaster or missile main launcher and you'll see |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:08:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:GIZMO2606 wrote:Forge Gun = Anti-Vehicle weapon. Get use to it, players have learned that the best way to take out vehicles is with a Forge Gun. Which seems fair considering swarm launchers are pretty much useless against any pilot with half a brain. ive explained this plenty of times but i will do it again...
explosive damage is not good against shields therefore it is quite obvious it would be bad. also you still fail to prove why it is fair. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:09:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? so yes i completely agree with you that it takes less time to get 3 million isk than it does to get 100,000 sp
Um it does for me and hace you maxed your defensive ( depending on tank) skills and are using the best mods you can?
Sorry for tipos |
GIZMO2606
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
293
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:14:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:GIZMO2606 wrote:Forge Gun = Anti-Vehicle weapon. Get use to it, players have learned that the best way to take out vehicles is with a Forge Gun. Which seems fair considering swarm launchers are pretty much useless against any pilot with half a brain. ive explained this plenty of times but i will do it again... explosive damage is not good against shields therefore it is quite obvious it would be bad. also you still fail to prove why it is fair.
Standard Forge Gun damage = 1200 meaning it'll eat through your shield. Again butthurt over losing a few hundred thousands worth of ISK. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:15:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Conraire wrote:[quote=STB Vermaak Doe]Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? Heavy forge gunners are vulnerable to everything. BUULLLL **** Use a blaster or missile main launcher and you'll see
Ah. Excuse me. A heavy forge gunner isn't vulnerable to SWARMS. But otherwise, we're vulnerable to all the same damage that other infantry are, we just take the beating a little bit better. Been OHKed by tanks on more than one occasion. LOL |
Talruum Tezztarozza
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:17:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote: ARs are anti infantry, does that mean it should kill infantry in two hits? if you said yes they you should go back to cod.
Hellooooooo ?? AR fire 750 rounds per minute. Forge Gun need 3 seconds to charge one shot up. See the different ?
How about HAV ? They suppose to be anti-infantry, Should they be able to one shot any single infantry they come across ? They do atm. Are you saying you have a problem with this as well ?
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Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:24:00 -
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GIZMO2606 wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:GIZMO2606 wrote:Forge Gun = Anti-Vehicle weapon. Get use to it, players have learned that the best way to take out vehicles is with a Forge Gun. Which seems fair considering swarm launchers are pretty much useless against any pilot with half a brain. ive explained this plenty of times but i will do it again... explosive damage is not good against shields therefore it is quite obvious it would be bad. also you still fail to prove why it is fair. Standard Forge Gun damage = 1200 meaning it'll eat through your shield. Again butthurt over losing a few hundred thousands worth of ISK.
Basic forge = 1200 4sec charge.
Assault forge = 1260 2.5 sec charge and does not store charge.
Breach forge = 2100 6 sec charge.
Not sure of the ones above that. And that's before the 30% damage bonus I get from weaponry 5 and the enhanced heavy weapon damage amplifier. |
GIZMO2606
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
293
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:24:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:GIZMO2606 wrote:Forge Gun = Anti-Vehicle weapon. Get use to it, players have learned that the best way to take out vehicles is with a Forge Gun. Which seems fair considering swarm launchers are pretty much useless against any pilot with half a brain. ive explained this plenty of times but i will do it again... explosive damage is not good against shields therefore it is quite obvious it would be bad. also you still fail to prove why it is fair.
Also, please explain were it states the Forge Gun is explosive type damage? It's a rail gun that stores electrical charged kinetic slugs. |
Calgoth Reborn
United Front LLC
145
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:30:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:GIZMO2606 wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:GIZMO2606 wrote:Forge Gun = Anti-Vehicle weapon. Get use to it, players have learned that the best way to take out vehicles is with a Forge Gun. Which seems fair considering swarm launchers are pretty much useless against any pilot with half a brain. ive explained this plenty of times but i will do it again... explosive damage is not good against shields therefore it is quite obvious it would be bad. also you still fail to prove why it is fair. Standard Forge Gun damage = 1200 meaning it'll eat through your shield. Again butthurt over losing a few hundred thousands worth of ISK. Basic forge = 1200 4sec charge. Assault forge = 1260 2.5 sec charge. Breach forge = 2100 6 sec charge. Not sure of the ones above that. And that's before the 30% damage bonus I get from weaponry 5 and the enhanced heavy weapon damage amplifier.
Weaponry 5 only give's you 10% damage boost they changed it to 2%per lvl from 5%
and normal forge gun is 3.5 charge up time |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:32:00 -
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Calgoth Reborn wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Basic forge = 1200 4sec charge.
Assault forge = 1260 2.5 sec charge.
Breach forge = 2100 6 sec charge.
Not sure of the ones above that. And that's before the 30% damage bonus I get from weaponry 5 and the enhanced heavy weapon damage amplifier. Weaponry 5 only give's you 10% damage boost they changed it to 2%per lvl from 5%
Well crap. (pout)
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RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:34:00 -
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there were two forge guns to take out 1 alright tank in 5 shots total.
I was one of those forge gunners. They are fine now with how many vehicles are used. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.10.20 05:53:00 -
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You bought a militia tank, pretty much an actual lav as far as durability goes |
immortal ironhide
SyNergy Gaming
80
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Posted - 2012.10.20 06:04:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:you only lost 350000 isk. i lost a tank worth of 740.000ISK to a proto breach forgegun. You can be happy that your tank didnt cost that much.
yea that tank took awhile to take down. had my assault forge but wasnt doing enough damage before you got behind cover. you had an excellent fit on it i have to say. |
slap26
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
463
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Posted - 2012.10.20 07:55:00 -
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350000 isk in a gunlogi fit? Your doing it wrong my sica fit is almost double that.
Also don't bring in what you can't afford to lose |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:12:00 -
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Depends
If i get whacked from somewhere and i dont have any active shield hardners on then it takes like half my shield health but if they are all active and shield rep is on its not too bad and i can take a couple or 3 but with forge its risky anyways
Also forge guns can take like over 1000 armor hp aswell and more ppl are using them but not just for AV but for infantry aswell |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
886
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:33:00 -
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A specced out tank is overpowered against infantry soldiers. You have to allow people to defend themselves.
So what is it? You want to pay a couple hundred thousand ISK for a vehicle that can never get destroyed and that destroys everything? |
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Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
363
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Posted - 2012.10.20 15:37:00 -
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I don't even know how to balance this game anymore but I swear if anyone says that tanks are underpowered and forge guns need a nerf I will hunt them down in every single match and taco drop them until they die. |
Lavirac JR
DUST University Ivy League
129
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Posted - 2012.10.20 15:40:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:I don't even know how to balance this game anymore but I swear if anyone says that tanks are underpowered and forge guns need a nerf I will hunt them down in every single match and taco drop them until they die.
No you won't because they will have tanks or dropships :-P |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
363
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Posted - 2012.10.20 15:47:00 -
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And I'll have my "OP" Forge Gun. Taco dropping will continue as advertised.
EDIT:Not saying anyone said that they were OP here, exactly...I don't think. But I know someone was thinking it. Be warned. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 15:52:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? so yes i completely agree with you that it takes less time to get 3 million isk than it does to get 100,000 sp Um it does for me and hace you maxed your defensive ( depending on tank) skills and are using the best mods you can? Sorry for tipos srry bro i assumed everyone was good enough to 20 thousand sp per match when they go infantry and I only have standard modules because i haven't unlocke the skills fo better ones(i also diddn't count that towards the total sp required at the beginning) |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 15:54:00 -
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Lavirac JR wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:I don't even know how to balance this game anymore but I swear if anyone says that tanks are underpowered and forge guns need a nerf I will hunt them down in every single match and taco drop them until they die. No you won't need to track them down because they will have tanks or dropships if they managed to save up enough isk :-P |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 15:58:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:A specced out tank is overpowered against infantry soldiers. You have to allow people to defend themselves.
So what is it? You want to pay a couple hundred thousand ISK for a vehicle that can never get destroyed and that destroys everything? It can only destroy things it sees so like they do in real life, go stealthy if you see an overwhelming force and also they could defend prior to the AV nerf but they only used swarms so they could make their stories sader |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:01:00 -
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GIZMO2606 wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Crimson MoonV wrote:GIZMO2606 wrote:Forge Gun = Anti-Vehicle weapon. Get use to it, players have learned that the best way to take out vehicles is with a Forge Gun. Which seems fair considering swarm launchers are pretty much useless against any pilot with half a brain. ive explained this plenty of times but i will do it again... explosive damage is not good against shields therefore it is quite obvious it would be bad. also you still fail to prove why it is fair. Also, please explain were it states the Forge Gun is explosive type damage? It's a rail gun that stores electrical charged kinetic slugs. i was talking about his swarm launcher |
The Polish Hammer
Doomheim
373
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:11:00 -
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You were doing it wrong then. I'll admittedly say that I don't know how tanks builds "should" be, but I know that i've never two hit a gunnlogi, ever. Even when I had my proto Grimlock, I never two hit any tank except for poorly fittied militia tanks. I'd get damn near close, i'll say that, but never two hit.
Please don't turn this into a QQ thread about nerfing things (not saying that anyone was doing that, just advising). AV is serving it's purpose. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:14:00 -
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if your tank only costs 350k, then thats why it got popped so fast. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:17:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:if your tank only costs 350k, then thats why it got popped so fast.
Hehe, I wanted your tank so damn bad the other day. Not sure if you remember me chasing you around entire match as the only AV guy with my forge gun.. I was like motha fkas!!!! kill ze tank, it's worth so much iskies.. lol , but in the end it was just me still :( Think you killed me like 8 times hah. Hell of a tank on your tank |
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Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:29:00 -
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Talruum Tezztarozza wrote:Average Joe81 wrote: ARs are anti infantry, does that mean it should kill infantry in two hits? if you said yes they you should go back to cod.
Hellooooooo ?? AR fire 750 rounds per minute. Forge Gun need 3 seconds to charge one shot up. See the different ? How about HAV ? They suppose to be anti-infantry, Should they be able to one shot any single infantry they come across ? They do atm. Are you saying you have a problem with this as well ? the infantry should die if he gets in the tanks way because you can tell where the tank is at any time threw out the game |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:34:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:if your tank only costs 350k, then thats why it got popped so fast. Hehe, I wanted your tank so damn bad the other day. Not sure if you remember me chasing you around entire match as the only AV guy with my forge gun.. I was like motha fkas!!!! kill ze tank, it's worth so much iskies.. lol , but in the end it was just me still :( Think you killed me like 8 times hah. Hell of a tank on your tank
lol good stuff, we should squad up sometime bud |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:34:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:if your tank only costs 350k, then thats why it got popped so fast. still, in my book 350k is a larger amount than 80k maby i would under stand if it were two people but you have to admit this it a huge peice of bs |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:38:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:if your tank only costs 350k, then thats why it got popped so fast. still, in my book 350k is a larger amount than 80k maby i would under stand if it were two people but you have to admit this it a huge peice of bs
you're only looking at the weapon cost, with the rest of the fit it probably costed over 200k and the accentuated risk of being a slow, large infantry unit means they could die dozens of times before getting a single shot on you |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:39:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:there were two forge guns to take out 1 alright tank in 5 shots total.
I was one of those forge gunners. They are fine now with how many vehicles are used. fuckn dont come here sayn its fair as is if you only used a standard forge gun |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:40:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:if your tank only costs 350k, then thats why it got popped so fast. still, in my book 350k is a larger amount than 80k maby i would under stand if it were two people but you have to admit this it a huge peice of bs
80k for the gun, then you got the suit, the mods and and not to mention your slow as fk and you got an anti vehicle weapon to protect yourself against other infantry.. sounds fair to me |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:45:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:if your tank only costs 350k, then thats why it got popped so fast. still, in my book 350k is a larger amount than 80k maby i would under stand if it were two people but you have to admit this it a huge peice of bs you're only looking at the weapon cost, with the rest of the fit it probably costed over 200k and the accentuated risk of being a slow, large infantry unit means they could die dozens of times before getting a single shot on you yes because you need a proto dropsuit because that makes all the difference and i agree that rushing forwards in an AV dropsuit is the best way to go rather than staying behind the frontlines so you can stil see the tank but enemys cant see you |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:48:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:if your tank only costs 350k, then thats why it got popped so fast. still, in my book 350k is a larger amount than 80k maby i would under stand if it were two people but you have to admit this it a huge peice of bs you're only looking at the weapon cost, with the rest of the fit it probably costed over 200k and the accentuated risk of being a slow, large infantry unit means they could die dozens of times before getting a single shot on you yes because you need a proto dropsuit because that makes all the difference and i agree that rushing forwards in an AV dropsuit is the best way to go rather than staying behind the frontlines so you can stil see the tank but enemys cant see you thank you for conceeding to my point |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:52:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:if your tank only costs 350k, then thats why it got popped so fast. still, in my book 350k is a larger amount than 80k maby i would under stand if it were two people but you have to admit this it a huge peice of bs you're only looking at the weapon cost, with the rest of the fit it probably costed over 200k and the accentuated risk of being a slow, large infantry unit means they could die dozens of times before getting a single shot on you yes because you need a proto dropsuit because that makes all the difference and i agree that rushing forwards in an AV dropsuit is the best way to go rather than staying behind the frontlines so you can stil see the tank but enemys cant see you thank you for conceeding to my point cogh cogh its called sarcasem fagut |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:53:00 -
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get a dictionary, you need it
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Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
363
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:55:00 -
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Here's another question...we're going to be fulfilling contracts for players, right? Doesn't that mean that some matches are gonna be much more valuable than others? Don't bring a tank to a cheap match. Maybe there will be contracts that will make it worth it to lose a tank if it means completing the contract. That is where it's going, right? If that's the case then let a forge take you out or maybe they can't, but it won't take 50 matches to make the ISK back. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:56:00 -
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Standard breach forge gun - 2000 damage i think not including any skills for it like the weapon t lvl5 which adds more DPS
You can put that on a skinweave suit and have an AV fit less than 20k
The gunlogi costs 200k - fittings can be 500k+ on top so at least 700k+ and a 20k fit if that can easily solo a gunlogi on its own
Also take into account with skills - SP wise the tank requires so much more |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:56:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:if your tank only costs 350k, then thats why it got popped so fast. still, in my book 350k is a larger amount than 80k maby i would under stand if it were two people but you have to admit this it a huge peice of bs 80k for the gun, then you got the suit, the mods and and not to mention your slow as fk and you got an anti vehicle weapon to protect yourself against other infantry.. sounds fair to me if you havent noteced its actually sort of good against enemies when you get the drop on them. in fact one forge gunner killed my group of three people and we i thought we were geting struck by lightning because the was no tracer rounds telling me where he was |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
363
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:57:00 -
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So we are now saying that forge guns are OP and/or tanks need a buff? |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.20 16:59:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:if your tank only costs 350k, then thats why it got popped so fast. still, in my book 350k is a larger amount than 80k maby i would under stand if it were two people but you have to admit this it a huge peice of bs 80k for the gun, then you got the suit, the mods and and not to mention your slow as fk and you got an anti vehicle weapon to protect yourself against other infantry.. sounds fair to me if you havent noteced its actually sort of good against enemies when you get the drop on them. in fact one forge gunner killed my group of three people and we i thought we were geting struck by lightning because the was no tracer rounds telling me where he was
Yes they can work as anti infantry, if you get spot on shots.. which is tough to do actually especially when they move around... the splash dmg doesn't effect infantry as much as it used to now, and you have to charge up the gun.. 3 guys can easily own you while your just charging for a shot.. but I won't deny what you said can happen... but it doesnt ALWAYS happen and is something to be proud of when it does |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:00:00 -
[56] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:So we are now saying that forge guns are OP and/or tanks need a buff?
hehe sounds like it |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:03:00 -
[57] - Quote
Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:if your tank only costs 350k, then thats why it got popped so fast. still, in my book 350k is a larger amount than 80k maby i would under stand if it were two people but you have to admit this it a huge peice of bs 80k for the gun, then you got the suit, the mods and and not to mention your slow as fk and you got an anti vehicle weapon to protect yourself against other infantry.. sounds fair to me if you havent noteced its actually sort of good against enemies when you get the drop on them. in fact one forge gunner killed my group of three people and we i thought we were geting struck by lightning because the was no tracer rounds telling me where he was Yes they can work as anti infantry, if you get spot on shots.. which is tough to do actually especially when they move around... the splash dmg doesn't effect infantry as much as it used to now, and you have to charge up the gun.. 3 guys can easily own you while your just charging for a shot.. but I won't deny what you said can happen... but it doesnt ALWAYS happen and is something to be proud of when it does 2 splash hits kill bro, so if the first hit is done by suprise the forge gunner will have time for a second shot |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:07:00 -
[58] - Quote
Altina McAlterson wrote:So we are now saying that forge guns are OP and/or tanks need a buff? This seems like a reasonable alternative to endless back to back nerfs |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 17:16:00 -
[59] - Quote
CCP PLEASE REMOVE EVERYTHING FROM THE GAME AND GIVE US SMOOTH PEBBLES TO THROW AT EACHOTHER, LEAVE US WITH ONLY ONE MAP THAT RESEMBLES A BIG EMPTY FIELD OF DIRT.. Thank you |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:23:00 -
[60] - Quote
Knightshade Belladonna wrote:CCP PLEASE REMOVE EVERYTHING FROM THE GAME AND GIVE US SMOOTH PEBBLES TO THROW AT EACHOTHER, LEAVE US WITH ONLY ONE MAP THAT RESEMBLES A BIG EMPTY FIELD OF DIRT.. Thank you you mean like battlefeild with pistols only and half damage?
EDIT: you mean like that one map with 3 objectives and remove snipers and vehicles? that sounds like a huge improvement for that map... |
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Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:26:00 -
[61] - Quote
Average Joe81 wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:CCP PLEASE REMOVE EVERYTHING FROM THE GAME AND GIVE US SMOOTH PEBBLES TO THROW AT EACHOTHER, LEAVE US WITH ONLY ONE MAP THAT RESEMBLES A BIG EMPTY FIELD OF DIRT.. Thank you you mean like battlefeild with pistols only and half damage?
No, i'm talking about revolutionizing the game industry with fully customizable pebble colors, a massive skill tree that consists ranges from smooth pebble #1 to smooth pebble #2, they both have the same damage but one is larger than the other.. it will be like WOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW THIS IS AWESOME when the game review guys get a hold of it |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 17:29:00 -
[62] - Quote
Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:CCP PLEASE REMOVE EVERYTHING FROM THE GAME AND GIVE US SMOOTH PEBBLES TO THROW AT EACHOTHER, LEAVE US WITH ONLY ONE MAP THAT RESEMBLES A BIG EMPTY FIELD OF DIRT.. Thank you you mean like battlefeild with pistols only and half damage? No, i'm talking about revolutionizing the game industry with fully customizable pebble colors, a massive skill tree that consists ranges from smooth pebble #1 to smooth pebble #2, they both have the same damage but one is larger than the other.. it will be like WOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW THIS IS AWESOME when the game review guys get a hold of it im a little confused as to what point you are trying to prove |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:30:00 -
[63] - Quote
Average Joe81 wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:CCP PLEASE REMOVE EVERYTHING FROM THE GAME AND GIVE US SMOOTH PEBBLES TO THROW AT EACHOTHER, LEAVE US WITH ONLY ONE MAP THAT RESEMBLES A BIG EMPTY FIELD OF DIRT.. Thank you you mean like battlefeild with pistols only and half damage? No, i'm talking about revolutionizing the game industry with fully customizable pebble colors, a massive skill tree that consists ranges from smooth pebble #1 to smooth pebble #2, they both have the same damage but one is larger than the other.. it will be like WOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW THIS IS AWESOME when the game review guys get a hold of it im a little confused as to what point you are trying to prove
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Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:39:00 -
[64] - Quote
Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:CCP PLEASE REMOVE EVERYTHING FROM THE GAME AND GIVE US SMOOTH PEBBLES TO THROW AT EACHOTHER, LEAVE US WITH ONLY ONE MAP THAT RESEMBLES A BIG EMPTY FIELD OF DIRT.. Thank you you mean like battlefeild with pistols only and half damage? No, i'm talking about revolutionizing the game industry with fully customizable pebble colors, a massive skill tree that consists ranges from smooth pebble #1 to smooth pebble #2, they both have the same damage but one is larger than the other.. it will be like WOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW THIS IS AWESOME when the game review guys get a hold of it im a little confused as to what point you are trying to prove oh yeah i think someone might have asked for that already |
Icy Tiger
Universal Allies Inc.
1026
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Posted - 2012.10.20 19:01:00 -
[65] - Quote
Unless you have 7 k shields or armor, your tank is garbage. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 19:18:00 -
[66] - Quote
Icy Tiger wrote:Unless you have 7 k shields or armor, your tank is garbage.
Wrong |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
|
Posted - 2012.10.20 20:53:00 -
[67] - Quote
immortal ironhide wrote: yea that tank took awhile to take down. had my assault forge but wasnt doing enough damage before you got behind cover. you had an excellent fit on it i have to say.
I would be worried now more about my new ride that im using. Ditched tanks except for special reasons. |
Paran Tadec
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2012.10.20 22:55:00 -
[68] - Quote
STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE?
SB are also paper thin. |
Miss Practice
30
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Posted - 2012.10.21 01:18:00 -
[69] - Quote
LORD HUMPY wrote:Must have been a crappy fitting, never two hit a tank with a Breach Forge Gun in my life...
Fit better. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.10.21 01:21:00 -
[70] - Quote
Paran Tadec wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? SB are also paper thin.
But when you compare the damage the turrets can exert on a heavy, they're also paper thin |
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Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:31:00 -
[71] - Quote
STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? SB are also paper thin. But when you compare the damage the turrets can exert on a heavy, they're also paper thin dont look at the direct hit damage because for every 3 forge gun hits there are, one tank shot connects(unless its a blaster but no one uses armor that much who is inteligent) |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:35:00 -
[72] - Quote
Average Joe81 wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? SB are also paper thin. But when you compare the damage the turrets can exert on a heavy, they're also paper thin dont look at the direct hit damage because for every 3 forge gun hits there are, one tank shot connects(unless its a blaster but no one uses armor that much who is inteligent) That's if you can't aim well with it, even with the rail splash nerf I can still kill from an installation consistently and with missiles, they shoot a bit faster and are easier to aim than a forge |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.21 03:51:00 -
[73] - Quote
STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? SB are also paper thin. But when you compare the damage the turrets can exert on a heavy, they're also paper thin dont look at the direct hit damage because for every 3 forge gun hits there are, one tank shot connects(unless its a blaster but no one uses armor that much who is inteligent) That's if you can't aim well with it, even with the rail splash nerf I can still kill from an installation consistently and with missiles, they shoot a bit faster and are easier to aim than a forge instalations are much stronger(damage wise) than tanks also ive noticed something about insalations make them easier to aim(i cant find what though maby the turret hight) in comparison it would be like tring to kill an ant(as a tank) and trying to kill a beetle(as an instalation) with a needle. i have never tried to do either of those so i am guessing based on how difficult it would be(using a needle). |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.21 05:32:00 -
[74] - Quote
I just got in a match with you vermaak and if you were watching i called in a tank. this was the first time i had used missle and for a while i had started thinking you were right and that tanks are fair as is. although then an isnstalation sees me and kills me in 5 seconds. i was un able to back up because something was iin my way and there fore died because i couldn't get away in time it made me even more angry because it was a blaster turret that was head glitching me although since it was a turret its not realy considered a glitch. This is something i have been wondering also: why is it that AV never target instalations but when one person calls in a tank every single AV goes out of their way to get rid of it just because it is a tank. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.10.21 06:21:00 -
[75] - Quote
There were actually two installations attacking you along with an AV Guy so it stolid took considerable firepower to take you downbut you heading into an enclosed space didn't help you at all in avoid the massive amount of artillery heading you're way |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.21 06:26:00 -
[76] - Quote
Average Joe81 wrote:I just got in a match with you vermaak and if you were watching i called in a tank. this was the first time i had used missle and for a while i had started thinking you were right and that tanks are fair as is. although then an isnstalation sees me and kills me in 5 seconds. i was un able to back up because something was iin my way and there fore died because i couldn't get away in time it made me even more angry because it was a blaster turret that was head glitching me although since it was a turret its not realy considered a glitch. This is something i have been wondering also: why is it that AV never target instalations but when one person calls in a tank every single AV goes out of their way to get rid of it just because it is a tank.
I don't use my AV on installations other than railguns because it takes every bit of my ammo to take them down since ccp buffed the hell out of their hp |
Riot Ruckus
Doomheim
56
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Posted - 2012.10.21 11:32:00 -
[77] - Quote
Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:I just got in a match with you vermaak and if you were watching i called in a tank. this was the first time i had used missle and for a while i had started thinking you were right and that tanks are fair as is. although then an isnstalation sees me and kills me in 5 seconds. i was un able to back up because something was iin my way and there fore died because i couldn't get away in time it made me even more angry because it was a blaster turret that was head glitching me although since it was a turret its not realy considered a glitch. This is something i have been wondering also: why is it that AV never target instalations but when one person calls in a tank every single AV goes out of their way to get rid of it just because it is a tank. I don't use my AV on installations other than railguns because it takes every bit of my ammo to take them down since ccp buffed the hell out of their hp
As a forge gunner my target list is: Dropship>HAV>LAV>Installation>player
Most matches i march to the other side of the field and take out all installations first thing, i like Calvary support. |
Adeptus Ezekiel
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.10.21 11:39:00 -
[78] - Quote
Average Joe81 wrote:.instalations are much stronger(damage wise) than tanks also ive noticed something about insalations make them easier to aim(i cant find what though maby the turret hight) in comparison it would be like tring to kill an ant(as a tank) and trying to kill a beetle(as an instalation) with a needle. i have never tried to do either of those so i am guessing based on how difficult it would be(using a needle).
Turrets have zoom, last time I used one the HAV main weapon does not. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.21 21:34:00 -
[79] - Quote
STB Vermaak Doe wrote:There were actually two installations attacking you along with an AV Guy so it stolid took considerable firepower to take you downbut you heading into an enclosed space didn't help you at all in avoid the massive amount of artillery heading you're way actually no i would have noticed railguns tearing my sheilds apart |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
Doomheim
83
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Posted - 2012.10.21 22:30:00 -
[80] - Quote
Average Joe81 wrote:I had gunlogi worth 350000 isk and he had aurum advanced worth about 2 U.S, pennies (the proto type equivelent is worth 80000). I dont understand this bs even more because of the skills you have to obtain to get there. Although the AV guy uses about 100 thousand more sp than the tank guy(about 200 thousand less if aurum is used) the tank guy had to pay about 2 or 3 million isk to buy the skill books(i counted but i cant remember which of those it was) while the AV pays only 100 thousand isk to buy them. Also the tracer rounds on forge guns are almost imposible to see(that might be a bug). If you have problems with trace FG shots, why you are so sure that one guy shot you instead of 2 at the same time, hmm? |
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Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.21 23:22:00 -
[81] - Quote
Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:I had gunlogi worth 350000 isk and he had aurum advanced worth about 2 U.S, pennies (the proto type equivelent is worth 80000). I dont understand this bs even more because of the skills you have to obtain to get there. Although the AV guy uses about 100 thousand more sp than the tank guy(about 200 thousand less if aurum is used) the tank guy had to pay about 2 or 3 million isk to buy the skill books(i counted but i cant remember which of those it was) while the AV pays only 100 thousand isk to buy them. Also the tracer rounds on forge guns are almost imposible to see(that might be a bug). If you have problems with trace FG shots, why you are so sure that one guy shot you instead of 2 at the same time, hmm? i see when my sheids jump down because of forge guns but if you mean simaltaneous hits then i dont think that is very likely |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.22 01:09:00 -
[82] - Quote
ok heres another story that pisses me of because you know, everyone likes to listen to me complain.
I turn around the corner in my tank and then every single AV stops shooting at the dropship and fires at me. in the time it took me to back up behind the cover i was droped to 15% armor and then the enemy dropship finishes me of in one hit. there was one malitia swarm, one standard forge gun, and one advanced forge gun. i get hit twice by the forge guns and then one swarm goes around the cover to get me after i make a 90 degree turn(which only took me five seconds to do) i get shot by the dropship and then i get really pissed off as the other tank driver some how manages to call in his third tier 2 tank in that one match. is there some kind of million isk bug ive been unable to find or am i just realy poor? also im just going to switch to dropsuits because even as a logi i got a 7 multi kill but as a tank i cant even get three. i guess the cod fags are getting what they want: one part of the game been op and the other being completely unuseable |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2012.10.22 02:25:00 -
[83] - Quote
Average Joe81 wrote:ok heres another story that pisses me of because you know, everyone likes to listen to me complain.
I turn around the corner in my tank and then every single AV stops shooting at the dropship and fires at me. in the time it took me to back up behind the cover i was droped to 15% armor and then the enemy dropship finishes me of in one hit. there was one malitia swarm, one standard forge gun, and one advanced forge gun. i get hit twice by the forge guns and then one swarm goes around the cover to get me after i make a 90 degree turn(which only took me five seconds to do) i get shot by the dropship and then i get really pissed off as the other tank driver some how manages to call in his third tier 2 tank in that one match. is there some kind of million isk bug ive been unable to find or am i just realy poor? also im just going to switch to dropsuits because even as a logi i got a 7 multi kill but as a tank i cant even get three. i guess the cod fags are getting what they want: one part of the game been op and the other being completely unuseable
I find it hard to believe you know what you're getting shot by considering that the only weapon displayed is the one that laid the kill shot. And asking in local who hit you with what isn't a valid reason as I wouldn't tell you I was shooting at you, much less what with, to give you one more name you'd know you had to look out for. Though you might look out for me anyway because I reply on this thread. :P |
LD Desire
1
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Posted - 2012.10.22 03:57:00 -
[84] - Quote
Joe you should tottaly play eve, your attitude is perfect for that enviroment |
Jotun Hiem
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2012.10.22 04:28:00 -
[85] - Quote
Roll with some infantry buddies, I guess.
That's how real tank crews do it. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.10.22 04:37:00 -
[86] - Quote
LD Desire wrote:Joe you should tottaly play eve, your attitude is perfect for that enviroment Along with this get into battleships asap, perferably amare as my Nemesis needs target practice |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.10.22 05:37:00 -
[87] - Quote
Average Joe81 wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:if your tank only costs 350k, then thats why it got popped so fast. still, in my book 350k is a larger amount than 80k maby i would under stand if it were two people but you have to admit this it a huge peice of bs
Bs? did you say BS?? Heres some kitten BS!! I forge gun shoot tanks including your poorly fit gunnlogi and instead of a kill all I get match after match is BS ASSISTS!!
Then I get to see some kitten HAV drivers whineing about getting two shotted when theres MORE THAN ONE GUY!! trying to kill that HAV!! Not pointing fingers but really! LOOK! to see how many folks like tank hunting before starting a thread like this.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.10.22 05:46:00 -
[88] - Quote
Average Joe81 wrote:ok heres another story that pisses me of because you know, everyone likes to listen to me complain.
I turn around the corner in my tank and then every single AV stops shooting at the dropship and fires at me. in the time it took me to back up behind the cover i was droped to 15% armor and then the enemy dropship finishes me of in one hit. there was one malitia swarm, one standard forge gun, and one advanced forge gun. i get hit twice by the forge guns and then one swarm goes around the cover to get me after i make a 90 degree turn(which only took me five seconds to do) i get shot by the dropship and then i get really pissed off as the other tank driver some how manages to call in his third tier 2 tank in that one match. is there some kind of million isk bug ive been unable to find or am i just realy poor? also im just going to switch to dropsuits because even as a logi i got a 7 multi kill but as a tank i cant even get three. i guess the cod fags are getting what they want: one part of the game been op and the other being completely unuseable
Get shield management to level FIVE.(increases max shields) Ditto for Mechanics. (increases max armour)
Put a BLASTER on the main turret if infantry hunting. Or. Railgun if TANK HUNTING.
Use friendly infantry as backup.
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Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:48:00 -
[89] - Quote
Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:ok heres another story that pisses me of because you know, everyone likes to listen to me complain.
I turn around the corner in my tank and then every single AV stops shooting at the dropship and fires at me. in the time it took me to back up behind the cover i was droped to 15% armor and then the enemy dropship finishes me of in one hit. there was one malitia swarm, one standard forge gun, and one advanced forge gun. i get hit twice by the forge guns and then one swarm goes around the cover to get me after i make a 90 degree turn(which only took me five seconds to do) i get shot by the dropship and then i get really pissed off as the other tank driver some how manages to call in his third tier 2 tank in that one match. is there some kind of million isk bug ive been unable to find or am i just realy poor? also im just going to switch to dropsuits because even as a logi i got a 7 multi kill but as a tank i cant even get three. i guess the cod fags are getting what they want: one part of the game been op and the other being completely unuseable I find it hard to believe you know what you're getting shot by considering that the only weapon displayed is the one that laid the kill shot. And asking in local who hit you with what isn't a valid reason as I wouldn't tell you I was shooting at you, much less what with, to give you one more name you'd know you had to look out for. Though you might look out for me anyway because I reply on this thread. :P the standard forge gun killed the tank, I knew it was a malitia swarm because there was another tank that was killed 3 times, and then there was a DAU assault forge gun that killed me when i was in a dropsuit later in the match. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.23 00:04:00 -
[90] - Quote
Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:if your tank only costs 350k, then thats why it got popped so fast. still, in my book 350k is a larger amount than 80k maby i would under stand if it were two people but you have to admit this it a huge peice of bs Bs? did you say BS?? Heres some kitten BS!! I forge gun shoot tanks including your poorly fit gunnlogi and instead of a kill all I get match after match is BS ASSISTS!! Then I get to see some kitten HAV drivers whineing about getting two shotted when theres MORE THAN ONE GUY!! trying to kill that HAV!! Not pointing fingers but really! LOOK! to see how many folks like tank hunting before starting a thread like this. Oh boo hoo hoo rather than getting CCP to make the game good for you too you had to ruin it for the other party. darn shame you spent all of your CCP manipulation tokens already so you cant make a thread and argue across your point like im doing(I would infact support you idea if AV weren't so op as is) |
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Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.10.23 00:06:00 -
[91] - Quote
Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:ok heres another story that pisses me of because you know, everyone likes to listen to me complain.
I turn around the corner in my tank and then every single AV stops shooting at the dropship and fires at me. in the time it took me to back up behind the cover i was droped to 15% armor and then the enemy dropship finishes me of in one hit. there was one malitia swarm, one standard forge gun, and one advanced forge gun. i get hit twice by the forge guns and then one swarm goes around the cover to get me after i make a 90 degree turn(which only took me five seconds to do) i get shot by the dropship and then i get really pissed off as the other tank driver some how manages to call in his third tier 2 tank in that one match. is there some kind of million isk bug ive been unable to find or am i just realy poor? also im just going to switch to dropsuits because even as a logi i got a 7 multi kill but as a tank i cant even get three. i guess the cod fags are getting what they want: one part of the game been op and the other being completely unuseable Get shield management to level FIVE.(increases max shields) Ditto for Mechanics. (increases max armour) Put a BLASTER on the main turret if infantry hunting. Or. Railgun if TANK HUNTING. Use friendly infantry as backup. HA get infantry to try to keep me alive? that will happen the same day CCP lets me highjack titans and kamikazi them into the battlefeild. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
742
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Posted - 2012.10.23 00:09:00 -
[92] - Quote
Forge Guns are stupidly cheap and very effective against everything. I still see this as a problem. |
Zero Harpuia
Maverick Conflict Solutions
422
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Posted - 2012.10.23 03:10:00 -
[93] - Quote
Average Joe81 wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? SB are also paper thin. But when you compare the damage the turrets can exert on a heavy, they're also paper thin dont look at the direct hit damage because for every 3 forge gun hits there are, one tank shot connects(unless its a blaster but no one uses armor that much who is inteligent)
...wait... it takes you at least six seconds to hit someone? You're a tank, not a sniper, just shoot and let the splash shred him. A single Large Missile volley will kill a heavy, shield extenders or not. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.10.23 03:12:00 -
[94] - Quote
Zero Harpuia wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Sp > isk or do stealth bombers not kill battlecruisers and battleships in EVE? SB are also paper thin. But when you compare the damage the turrets can exert on a heavy, they're also paper thin dont look at the direct hit damage because for every 3 forge gun hits there are, one tank shot connects(unless its a blaster but no one uses armor that much who is inteligent) ...wait... it takes you at least six seconds to hit someone? You're a tank, not a sniper, just shoot and let the splash shred him. A single Large Missile volley will kill a heavy, shield extenders or not. Lol at it taking snipers that long to shoot in this game but on the other point, agreed |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2012.10.23 06:41:00 -
[95] - Quote
One of the other things you have to look at as to why people hunt tanks, when they show up, is because a tank is a significant threat that we want off the field ASAP if it's not on our side. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
168
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Posted - 2012.10.23 06:42:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:ok heres another story that pisses me of because you know, everyone likes to listen to me complain.
I turn around the corner in my tank and then every single AV stops shooting at the dropship and fires at me. in the time it took me to back up behind the cover i was droped to 15% armor and then the enemy dropship finishes me of in one hit. there was one malitia swarm, one standard forge gun, and one advanced forge gun. i get hit twice by the forge guns and then one swarm goes around the cover to get me after i make a 90 degree turn(which only took me five seconds to do) i get shot by the dropship and then i get really pissed off as the other tank driver some how manages to call in his third tier 2 tank in that one match. is there some kind of million isk bug ive been unable to find or am i just realy poor? also im just going to switch to dropsuits because even as a logi i got a 7 multi kill but as a tank i cant even get three. i guess the cod fags are getting what they want: one part of the game been op and the other being completely unuseable I find it hard to believe you know what you're getting shot by considering that the only weapon displayed is the one that laid the kill shot. And asking in local who hit you with what isn't a valid reason as I wouldn't tell you I was shooting at you, much less what with, to give you one more name you'd know you had to look out for. Though you might look out for me anyway because I reply on this thread. :P the standard forge gun killed the tank, I knew it was a malitia swarm because there was another tank that was killed 3 times, and then there was a DAU assault forge gun that killed me when i was in a dropsuit later in the match.
Still... You don't know everything that shot at you. :P |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.23 19:13:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:ok heres another story that pisses me of because you know, everyone likes to listen to me complain.
I turn around the corner in my tank and then every single AV stops shooting at the dropship and fires at me. in the time it took me to back up behind the cover i was droped to 15% armor and then the enemy dropship finishes me of in one hit. there was one malitia swarm, one standard forge gun, and one advanced forge gun. i get hit twice by the forge guns and then one swarm goes around the cover to get me after i make a 90 degree turn(which only took me five seconds to do) i get shot by the dropship and then i get really pissed off as the other tank driver some how manages to call in his third tier 2 tank in that one match. is there some kind of million isk bug ive been unable to find or am i just realy poor? also im just going to switch to dropsuits because even as a logi i got a 7 multi kill but as a tank i cant even get three. i guess the cod fags are getting what they want: one part of the game been op and the other being completely unuseable I find it hard malitto believe you know what you're getting shot by considering that the only weapon displayed is the one that laid the kill shot. And asking in local who hit you with what isn't a valid reason as I wouldn't tell you I was shooting at you, much less what with, to give you one more name you'd know you had to look out for. Though you might look out for me anyway because I reply on this thread. :P the standard forge gun killed the tank, I knew it was a malitia swarm because there was another tank that was killed 3 times, and then there was a DAU assault forge gun that killed me when i was in a dropsuit later in the match. Still... You don't know everything that shot at you. :P I know how many times i got hit and what weapons the AVs had. I can also infer that since a forge gun canot fire twice within the same second i must have been hit by two different forge gunners. I can also infer that scince I saw four missles coming at me It must be a malitia or standard swarm launcher since they only fire 4 missles and forge guns don't shoot missles. I can also infer that scince it is exteremely easy to make an AV weapon hit a tank because they are gigantic slow moving targets, every single AV shot was a hit. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.23 20:07:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:One of the other things you have to look at as to why people hunt tanks, when they show up, is because a tank is a significant threat that we want off the field ASAP if it's not on our side. Its because they cant aim and therefore need to use the easiest to use weapon in the game. every person ive seen who uses AV alwase suckes at killing infantry. |
Sniper City
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.23 20:42:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:I had gunlogi worth 350000 isk and he had aurum advanced worth about 2 U.S, pennies (the proto type equivelent is worth 80000). I dont understand this bs even more because of the skills you have to obtain to get there. Although the AV guy uses about 100 thousand more sp than the tank guy(about 200 thousand less if aurum is used) the tank guy had to pay about 2 or 3 million isk to buy the skill books(i counted but i cant remember which of those it was) while the AV pays only 100 thousand isk to buy them. Also the tracer rounds on forge guns are almost imposible to see(that might be a bug).
am guessing you never played eve
isk value does not mean that it should be stronger |
Shijima Kuraimaru
WarRavens
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Posted - 2012.10.24 00:31:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:One of the other things you have to look at as to why people hunt tanks, when they show up, is because a tank is a significant threat that we want off the field ASAP if it's not on our side. Its because they cant aim and therefore need to use the easiest to use weapon in the game. every person ive seen who uses AV alwase suckes at killing infantry.
Well when using AV we're kind of limited to scramblers and SMGs. So of course we're going to suck at killing infantry. It's one of the things we gave up for being able to ace a vehicle. |
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Shijima Kuraimaru
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Posted - 2012.10.24 00:36:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:ok heres another story that pisses me of because you know, everyone likes to listen to me complain.
I turn around the corner in my tank and then every single AV stops shooting at the dropship and fires at me. in the time it took me to back up behind the cover i was droped to 15% armor and then the enemy dropship finishes me of in one hit. there was one malitia swarm, one standard forge gun, and one advanced forge gun. i get hit twice by the forge guns and then one swarm goes around the cover to get me after i make a 90 degree turn(which only took me five seconds to do) i get shot by the dropship and then i get really pissed off as the other tank driver some how manages to call in his third tier 2 tank in that one match. is there some kind of million isk bug ive been unable to find or am i just realy poor? also im just going to switch to dropsuits because even as a logi i got a 7 multi kill but as a tank i cant even get three. i guess the cod fags are getting what they want: one part of the game been op and the other being completely unuseable I find it hard malitto believe you know what you're getting shot by considering that the only weapon displayed is the one that laid the kill shot. And asking in local who hit you with what isn't a valid reason as I wouldn't tell you I was shooting at you, much less what with, to give you one more name you'd know you had to look out for. Though you might look out for me anyway because I reply on this thread. :P the standard forge gun killed the tank, I knew it was a malitia swarm because there was another tank that was killed 3 times, and then there was a DAU assault forge gun that killed me when i was in a dropsuit later in the match. Still... You don't know everything that shot at you. :P I know how many times i got hit and what weapons the AVs had. I can also infer that since a forge gun canot fire twice within the same second i must have been hit by two different forge gunners. I can also infer that scince I saw four missles coming at me It must be a malitia or standard swarm launcher since they only fire 4 missles and forge guns don't shoot missles. I can also infer that scince it is exteremely easy to make an AV weapon hit a tank because they are gigantic slow moving targets, every single AV shot was a hit.
I still find your argument shakey as there are a lot more variables on the battle field than just what you see. Dust doesn't operate on the "Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal" principle after all. And hits that are simultaneous or within a sixteenth of a second to each other will register as a single event to your perceptions.
Sure, you might know what hit you in this story, might, but that will be a rare case. |
Average Joe81
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.25 00:06:00 -
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Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:One of the other things you have to look at as to why people hunt tanks, when they show up, is because a tank is a significant threat that we want off the field ASAP if it's not on our side. Its because they cant aim and therefore need to use the easiest to use weapon in the game. every person ive seen who uses AV alwase suckes at killing infantry. Well when using AV we're kind of limited to scramblers and SMGs. So of course we're going to suck at killing infantry. It's one of the things we gave up for being able to ace a vehicle. I find that the massive amout of armor more than makes up for the forced side arm and also i said the reason you became an AV is because you cant use a weapon that actually takes skill to use. Now i have to admit that tanks dont require as much skill as the normal classes, but at least it requires some skill and also if you still dont believe me that tanks require skill then the isk and sp cost should be the tie breaker. the obvious person who should win in a battle like that should be the tank(or at least he should be able to get away in time if he tries to escape imediately) |
immortal ironhide
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.10.25 02:48:00 -
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Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:One of the other things you have to look at as to why people hunt tanks, when they show up, is because a tank is a significant threat that we want off the field ASAP if it's not on our side. Its because they cant aim and therefore need to use the easiest to use weapon in the game. every person ive seen who uses AV alwase suckes at killing infantry. Well when using AV we're kind of limited to scramblers and SMGs. So of course we're going to suck at killing infantry. It's one of the things we gave up for being able to ace a vehicle. I find that the massive amout of armor more than makes up for the forced side arm and also i said the reason you became an AV is because you cant use a weapon that actually takes skill to use. Now i have to admit that tanks dont require as much skill as the normal classes, but at least it requires some skill and also if you still dont believe me that tanks require skill then the isk and sp cost should be the tie breaker. the obvious person who should win in a battle like that should be the tank(or at least he should be able to get away in time if he tries to escape imediately)
lolwut? so people who spec into an AV weapon that is used to take out vehicles only do it because they cant aim and need to use the easiest weapon in the game? LOL fail logic there sorry bro.
I am specd almost fully into Forge Guns, therby making me able to drop tanks and dropships somewhat easily (if 4 shots on a gunnlogi is considered easily). If i get into an infantry battle i WILL lose, not because i cant aim, but because i have a forge gun (not very useful against an ar as i am dead by the time i charge to any decent player) and an smg ( again will always lose to any halfway decent player with an ar as they have more range).
As Shijma said, people use AV weapons and hunt tanks because 1 tank on the field can do more damage than 8 infantry.
Im gunna take a guess that since you have a gunnlogi you use missiles since they are the only thing people put on those now since they get that extra bonus. These truly take no aiming.. just look in the direction and keep shooting and at some point you will get a kill. (unless they didnt address the hydraulics and the missiles still toss the tank around which i havent seen yet this build so im gunna guess they fixed that)
To me it just seems you are upset that people actually specd into something to take out that rolling death machine of yours, instead of into ARs as most people did since you get more infantry battles than vehicle battles with the price of items.
Also, even being specd almost fully into forge guns i can still pick up an assault rifle and kill people, once again defeating your idea that people go AV since they cant aim. Oh and hitting infantry with a weapon that takes time to charge when they are moving actually takes some skill since the gun shakes while charging. |
Shijima Kuraimaru
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Posted - 2012.10.25 06:18:00 -
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immortal ironhide wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:I find that the massive amout of armor more than makes up for the forced side arm and also i said the reason you became an AV is because you cant use a weapon that actually takes skill to use. Now i have to admit that tanks dont require as much skill as the normal classes, but at least it requires some skill and also if you still dont believe me that tanks require skill then the isk and sp cost should be the tie breaker. the obvious person who should win in a battle like that should be the tank(or at least he should be able to get away in time if he tries to escape imediately) lolwut? so people who spec into an AV weapon that is used to take out vehicles only do it because they cant aim and need to use the easiest weapon in the game? LOL fail logic there sorry bro. I am specd almost fully into Forge Guns, therby making me able to drop tanks and dropships somewhat easily (if 4 shots on a gunnlogi is considered easily). If i get into an infantry battle i WILL lose, not because i cant aim, but because i have a forge gun (not very useful against an ar as i am dead by the time i charge to any decent player) and an smg ( again will always lose to any halfway decent player with an ar as they have more range). As Shijma said, people use AV weapons and hunt tanks because 1 tank on the field can do more damage than 8 infantry. Im gunna take a guess that since you have a gunnlogi you use missiles since they are the only thing people put on those now since they get that extra bonus. These truly take no aiming.. just look in the direction and keep shooting and at some point you will get a kill. (unless they didnt address the hydraulics and the missiles still toss the tank around which i havent seen yet this build so im gunna guess they fixed that) To me it just seems you are upset that people actually specd into something to take out that rolling death machine of yours, instead of into ARs as most people did since you get more infantry battles than vehicle battles with the price of items. Also, even being specd almost fully into forge guns i can still pick up an assault rifle and kill people, once again defeating your idea that people go AV since they cant aim. Oh and hitting infantry with a weapon that takes time to charge when they are moving actually takes some skill since the gun shakes while charging.
On top of what Immortal Ironhide has said... I have actually racked up a decent amount of kills with my Assault Scrambler w/ Enhanced Sidearm Damage Amplifier. So the quip about me going AV because I can't aim is an invalid point. |
Average Joe81
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Posted - 2012.10.26 00:04:00 -
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immortal ironhide wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:Average Joe81 wrote:Shijima Kuraimaru wrote:One of the other things you have to look at as to why people hunt tanks, when they show up, is because a tank is a significant threat that we want off the field ASAP if it's not on our side. Its because they cant aim and therefore need to use the easiest to use weapon in the game. every person ive seen who uses AV alwase suckes at killing infantry. Well when using AV we're kind of limited to scramblers and SMGs. So of course we're going to suck at killing infantry. It's one of the things we gave up for being able to ace a vehicle. I find that the massive amout of armor more than makes up for the forced side arm and also i said the reason you became an AV is because you cant use a weapon that actually takes skill to use. Now i have to admit that tanks dont require as much skill as the normal classes, but at least it requires some skill and also if you still dont believe me that tanks require skill then the isk and sp cost should be the tie breaker. the obvious person who should win in a battle like that should be the tank(or at least he should be able to get away in time if he tries to escape imediately) lolwut? so people who spec into an AV weapon that is used to take out vehicles only do it because they cant aim and need to use the easiest weapon in the game? LOL fail logic there sorry bro. I am specd almost fully into Forge Guns, therby making me able to drop tanks and dropships somewhat easily (if 4 shots on a gunnlogi is considered easily). If i get into an infantry battle i WILL lose, not because i cant aim, but because i have a forge gun (not very useful against an ar as i am dead by the time i charge to any decent player) and an smg ( again will always lose to any halfway decent player with an ar as they have more range). As Shijma said, people use AV weapons and hunt tanks because 1 tank on the field can do more damage than 8 infantry. Im gunna take a guess that since you have a gunnlogi you use missiles since they are the only thing people put on those now since they get that extra bonus. These truly take no aiming.. just look in the direction and keep shooting and at some point you will get a kill. (unless they didnt address the hydraulics and the missiles still toss the tank around which i havent seen yet this build so im gunna guess they fixed that) To me it just seems you are upset that people actually specd into something to take out that rolling death machine of yours, instead of into ARs as most people did since you get more infantry battles than vehicle battles with the price of items. Also, even being specd almost fully into forge guns i can still pick up an assault rifle and kill people, once again defeating your idea that people go AV since they cant aim. Oh and hitting infantry with a weapon that takes time to charge when they are moving actually takes some skill since the gun shakes while charging. 1.you obviously don't know how to use either of those weapons because i can get kills easily with them. I, infact, get kills easier on an assault class when using an smg. also think about it this way: you save up isk for 7 matches(and thats hardly any time at all compaired to most tanks) so you can buy the thing you speced into only to get soloed by one guy before you can even find where he is shooting you from. 2.considering the sp and isk they should do that but they dont, if it was 8 people then they all must have been VERY bad at the game because like ive said I do much better as infantry than i do as a tank. 3.at the time of the two hit death match i was using a railgun but since then i have started using missles and generally die before i get 4 kills because currently, due to the massive amount of range and damage an AV weapon currently has, just leaving the spawn is a leroy jenkins moment. 4.oh yeah the "your just upset because(we think) vehicles are fair now" troll sure wasent over used a long time ago 5.get splash hits not direct hits because just attempting that is stupid (i numbered it according to my responses to your different sections) |
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