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Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:45:00 -
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I was so excited when I saw the servers were up, got my KBM ready to go, and got in a game. Long story short, WTF CCP?
There is a difference between "balancing" and gimping beyond the point of usefulness. The sensitivity sucks, 80 is slow, 100 is whippy. The turn speed is pathetic. And I noticed my aimer getting locked on enemies. Aim assist on KBM? Come on now.
If KBM is going to be a viable control scheme, you're going to need to significantly raise the turn speed cap, or maybe just scrap it. Honestly, if you can make matches based on the control scheme people are using, just don't place KBM players against DS3 players in HighSec or something.
With the current available controls, I will never be able to experience what this game is made to be - I suck with the DS3, and the current KBM is unusable. |
Arborius Veredus
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:02:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:There is a difference between "balancing" and gimping beyond the point of usefulness. The sensitivity sucks, 80 is slow, 100 is whippy. The turn speed is pathetic. And I noticed my aimer getting locked on enemies. Aim assist on KBM? Come on now.
There are 20 points of sensitivity between 80 and 100. Something in there should work.
The other things are serious problems, though. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:06:00 -
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Arborius Veredus wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:There is a difference between "balancing" and gimping beyond the point of usefulness. The sensitivity sucks, 80 is slow, 100 is whippy. The turn speed is pathetic. And I noticed my aimer getting locked on enemies. Aim assist on KBM? Come on now.
There are 20 points of sensitivity between 80 and 100. Something in there should work. The other things are serious problems, though. My point is that 80 is pretty much as slow as anyone might even -possibly- want, and 100 will give you whiplash. There shouldn't only be one option of middle ground (90). |
Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:23:00 -
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Does the sensitivity in the PS3 mouse settings have a role in this some way or are they completely separate? |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:23:00 -
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Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson wrote:Does the sensitivity in the PS3 mouse settings have a role in this some way or are they completely separate? Uh, what? |
Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:26:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson wrote:Does the sensitivity in the PS3 mouse settings have a role in this some way or are they completely separate? Uh, what?
In the PS3 settings you are able to adjust the sensitivity of the mouse... I've never played a game on PS3 that has it's own mouse sensitivity settings. Was wondering if you lower or higher the PS3 mouse sensitivity settings does it effect the sensitivity in game? |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:33:00 -
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Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson wrote:Does the sensitivity in the PS3 mouse settings have a role in this some way or are they completely separate? Uh, what? In the PS3 settings you are able to adjust the sensitivity of the mouse... I've never played a game on PS3 that has it's own mouse sensitivity settings. Was wondering if you lower or higher the PS3 mouse sensitivity settings does it effect the sensitivity in game? Oh, no it wouldn't matter. A large part of the issue with the sensitivity is the turn speed cap, so you turn it all the way up and your mouse hits the cap so you can't turn any faster, but if you turn the sensitivity down, the turn speed cap goes down too, so you turn -MUCH- slower. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:01:00 -
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It's probably going to take a lot of tweaking on CCP's part to get it right. They want to make sure that a heavies turn slower than scouts regardless of the controller. Keep playing around with it and let the forum know how it goes. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:11:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:It's probably going to take a lot of tweaking on CCP's part to get it right. They want to make sure that a heavies turn slower than scouts regardless of the controller. Keep playing around with it and let the forum know how it goes. The thing is, heavies don't turn any slower. Assault class with an SG is just as bad as a Heavy with an FG. KBM hardcap turn speed makes it impossible to do anything, thats just not how the controls should feel.
I say scrap the hardcap and turn speed limit completely, and make it so HighSec matchmaking battles are made based on control scheme, so that KBM never fight DS3. As an option, you should be able to turn the hardcap turnspeed back on, to play with your DS3 friends - if you feel so inclined.
Low/Null-sec should not be gimped just because players are unwilling to do what it takes to win, isn't that the whole idea of EVE? |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:13:00 -
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I agree, i've found myself back at the DS3 because of this. +1 |
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Argo Filch
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:16:00 -
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I for my part have not really a problem with kb/m support. Yeah sure turn speed is really slow... but even with that i was killing in the two games i was in. The accuracy alone was to die for (and i didn't die that much either). So really new experience for me because i really suck with the DS3.
If they tweak the turn speed up a notch i'll be really happy. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:16:00 -
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Debacle Nano wrote:I agree, i've found myself back at the DS3 because of this. +1 Same here, I'm very disappointed. |
Piercing Serenity
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
181
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:20:00 -
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[/quote] Low/Null-sec should not be gimped just because players are unwilling to do what it takes to win, isn't that the whole idea of EVE? [/quote]
Doesn't that mean you should switch to a PS3? You know, to "do what it takes to win"? |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:34:00 -
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Piercing Serenity wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Low/Null-sec should not be gimped just because players are unwilling to do what it takes to win, isn't that the whole idea of EVE? Doesn't that mean you should switch to a PS3? You know, to "do what it takes to win"? No, that means if it's gimped this badly permanently, I'm either going to buy a third party device, or suck and not be able to experience this game. KBM would dominate this game regardless of whether or not it was a supported control scheme. Supporting it just means they can control it a little better.
Edit: I'm a console gamer, gamepads just suck for FPS and thats a fact. |
Dante Daedrik
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:35:00 -
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W/e happened to "Adapt or Die"? |
gangsta nachos
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:36:00 -
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Dante Daedrik wrote:W/e happened to "Adapt or Die"? you're funny |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:36:00 -
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Dante Daedrik wrote:W/e happened to "Adapt or Die"? I have never once preached "adapt or die". |
Maksiu Kolonko
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:51:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Dante Daedrik wrote:W/e happened to "Adapt or Die"? I have never once preached "adapt or die".
How about HTFU??
Anyway, M&KB does seems terible gimped.
My mouse was set to 100 and mouse scout was turning soooo slooooowww
still - added precision made those charged sniper shots way more easy
so a little of meeeehhh and a chunk of win :) |
Ender Storm
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:57:00 -
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As the game is advertised to have KBM, "Adapt or die" only aplies to those that refuse and are against to adopt the KBM control scheme as its suposed to be a native suported Feature. |
Dante Daedrik
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:59:00 -
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Only because the QQ's begged for it. |
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Piercing Serenity
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
181
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:57:00 -
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Ender Storm wrote:As the game is advertised to have KBM, "Adapt or die" only aplies to those that refuse and are against to adopt the KBM control scheme as its suposed to be a native suported Feature.
So adapt or die only applies to PS3 users? This is a two way street. Players like me need to get used to the fact that KB/M players are gonna come into the game and CCP is gonna work to make sure they're happy. I'm guilty of being against this change a bit. KB/M players have to get used to the fact that this isn't QUAKE. You won't be like Fata1ity out here. |
David Malcom
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:45:00 -
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Piercing Serenity wrote:So adapt or die only applies to PS3 users? This is a two way street. Players like me need to get used to the fact that KB/M players are gonna come into the game and CCP is gonna work to make sure they're happy. I'm guilty of being against this change a bit. KB/M players have to get used to the fact that this isn't QUAKE. You won't be like Fata1ity out here.
This isn't a matter of adapting.
It's a poorly implemented control scheme. I mean, we could adapt to that, sure. But we shouldn't have to. It's done incorrectly.
The sensitivity isn't an issue. Any serious PC gamer has a mouse with adjustable sensitivity. It's a little ridiculous that it has to be turned up pretty high to be reasonable, but it's still entirely possible.
The problem is that mouse control is laggy, floaty and imprecise. It's just poorly done. Though, considering the state of literally every other aspect of this game, I can't say that I'm surprised. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:21:00 -
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Maksiu Kolonko wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Dante Daedrik wrote:W/e happened to "Adapt or Die"? I have never once preached "adapt or die". How about HTFU?? Anyway, M&KB does seems terible gimped. My mouse was set to 100 and mouse scout was turning soooo slooooowww still - added precision made those charged sniper shots way more easy so a little of meeeehhh and a chunk of win :) I've never said "adapt or die" "htfu" "console kiddies" or anything of the sort. The fact of the matter is Dust was advertised to have KBM long before beta, and the fact that they implemented it so poorly that it isn't a viable control scheme is a major let down. The precision is no better, perhaps worse, because you have to fight the turn speed on KBM, just as bad fighting the controller when playing with a gamepad.
When I have sensitivity up to 100%, my Forge Gun zips around the screen inside my little "aim box" and as soon as I try to make my merc turn, I hit a wall and suddenly aiming slows way down as my merc casually turns. |
Mr Funless
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:31:00 -
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Also add that you can't move around the map with the keyboard, customize the controls, choose spawn locations, etc. I have to use the dumb DS3 when I'm not shooting stuff. Should be able to use the kb/m for everything. |
Grimm Trip
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:31:00 -
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So fun dragging my mouse across my whole desk to track a target in my scope... |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:55:00 -
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Grimm Trip wrote:So fun dragging my mouse across my whole desk to track a target in my scope... No kidding. Tracking one target for 5-10 seconds can result in me re-centering my mouse 10-15 times. Oh well though, thats balanced right? |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.08.15 03:58:00 -
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gangsta nachos wrote:Dante Daedrik wrote:W/e happened to "Adapt or Die"? you're funny
I think its funny. Lol
Um the mouse isnt supposed to be better than a ds3 on a ps3 anyway. I think every suit having a turn limit is a good thing keeps mouse from dominating besides the ds3 as a hard turn limiy I.cant push the controls further than the remote will let me. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.15 04:05:00 -
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Avenger 245 wrote:gangsta nachos wrote:Dante Daedrik wrote:W/e happened to "Adapt or Die"? you're funny I think its funny. Lol Um the mouse isnt supposed to be better than a ds3 on a ps3 anyway. I think every suit having a turn limit is a good thing keeps mouse from dominating besides the ds3 as a hard turn limiy I.cant push the controls further than the remote will let me. Then you should buy a KBM. Honestly, I have trouble playing FPS games on consoles just because the controls suck. Sure, Halo was fun, but for whatever reason Bungie just did something so right that the controls felt decent. I use my PS3 for gaming more than my PC (at least I did when I was big into MAG, all I play now is League of Legends), so my opinion is not biased on me being a long time KBM user, it's just a statement of fact that KBM is better suited for FPS gaming.
And saying "KBM isn't supposed to be better than DS3 on PS3" is stupid, did you know that the PS3 has native support for KBM? Thats right, you can plug a KBM right into your PS3 and use them to navigate your videos, music, games, the webrowser, and the PS Store! So tell me, how is a KBM not a "normal" control option for the PS3? |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.08.15 04:40:00 -
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Avenger 245 wrote:Um the mouse isnt supposed to be better than a ds3 on a ps3 anyway. I think every suit having a turn limit is a good thing keeps mouse from dominating besides the ds3 as a hard turn limiy I.cant push the controls further than the remote will let me.
I can't find the quote because Google only turns up stuff about this update, but they explicitly stated they wanted keyboard/mouse support that would make PC players feel like they're playing a FPS on the PC. They want the KB+M support to be flawless. So the fact that it is working like garbage is "a problem", and falls short of the target goal, whatever your opinion on using KB+M might be. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.15 04:47:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Avenger 245 wrote:Um the mouse isnt supposed to be better than a ds3 on a ps3 anyway. I think every suit having a turn limit is a good thing keeps mouse from dominating besides the ds3 as a hard turn limiy I.cant push the controls further than the remote will let me. I can't find the quote because Google only turns up stuff about this update, but they explicitly stated they wanted keyboard/mouse support that would make PC players feel like they're playing a FPS on the PC. They want the KB+M support to be flawless. So the fact that it is working like garbage is "a problem", and falls short of the target goal, whatever your opinion on using KB+M might be. Thank you for reminding of their actually description of what they wanted, I'm gonna try to dig that up. |
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