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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:43:00 -
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So lets see how other games are handling new maps, weapons etc:
COD: -maps and weapons avaible are sold in DLC packs -maps can only be played by people who bought the maps -weapons can be put on your class but used aswell against people who havent bought the addon cause the game gets a "compability patch".
Same thing happends in other games. So to help funding new vehicles and weapons why not sell the skillbooks required for AUR only? Or aswell make them a drop from the strongboxes. I know this sounds like a devilish concept but if CCP doesnt make money off from this we wont see new stuff.
I was thinking about a concept like this: -amarr HAV operation skillbook 4.99Gé¼ -minmatarr shotgun operation 4.99Gé¼ -minmatarr autocannon large turret operation 4.99Gé¼
The operation skillbook would be your entry ticket but after that proficency and the other skills could be bought for ISK. The vehicles and weapons in question are ofcourse sold for ISK. To ecnourage people to buy the skillbooks you could give away 10 freebies which require no skill to use (like the standard AUR items) so you can judge if you like the thing or not.
Just to be clear about this whole "cashgrab concept" weapons, vehicles, turrets etc. would require new 3D modells and not reused assets borrowed from other weapons o vehicles.
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
5612
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:47:00 -
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DLC really sucks. Namely because there's rarely a good way to play it with friends. Or even play in the combination of options you want. For instance, with COD I can usually either play old maps or new maps, but not a mix of both. And if I'm playing with friends then I have to play with them at the least common denominator of DLC? Should some game modes be eternally stuck on old maps because they're for non-DLC folks or what?
DLC is such an atricously bad system for multiplayer games, it's not even funny. It's shocking to me that people continue to purchase games that do it, because it creates an atrociously bad product, even if you buy all the stuff.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
10857
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:48:00 -
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Because CCP is adopting the Eve Online tradition of free updates rather than charging for downloadable content. Worked for them so far. Besides, Dust is making enough money as it is with Daily Mission roll overs, boosters, other AUR consumables like suits and weapons, BPOs, and merc packs which give you the most bang for the buck. Dust is no longer dependent on funding from Eve Online if I understand it correctly which is a good thing.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
3752
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:49:00 -
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Then why not just add a monthly subscription?
What part of free to play you don't understand?
Pronounced Scam - man - hoga
Minmatar omni-merc
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
10857
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:49:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:DLC really sucks. Namely because there's rarely a good way to play it with friends. Or even play in the combination of options you want. For instance, with COD I can usually either play old maps or new maps, but not a mix of both. And if I'm playing with friends then I have to play with them at the least common denominator of DLC? Should some game modes be eternally stuck on old maps because they're for non-DLC folks or what?
DLC is such an atricously bad system for multiplayer games, it's not even funny. It's shocking to me that people continue to purchase games that do it, because it creates an atrociously bad product, even if you buy all the stuff.
Tell me about it.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
5615
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:50:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:DLC really sucks. Namely because there's rarely a good way to play it with friends. Or even play in the combination of options you want. For instance, with COD I can usually either play old maps or new maps, but not a mix of both. And if I'm playing with friends then I have to play with them at the least common denominator of DLC? Should some game modes be eternally stuck on old maps because they're for non-DLC folks or what?
DLC is such an atricously bad system for multiplayer games, it's not even funny. It's shocking to me that people continue to purchase games that do it, because it creates an atrociously bad product, even if you buy all the stuff. Tell me about it.
Okay. DLC really sucks. :)
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
10857
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:52:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Then why not just add a monthly subscription?
What part of free to play you don't understand?
A couple of years ago we talked about that. The consensus now is that Dust is funding itself already with AUR purchases and merc packs. CCP Rattati helped with that part and so far it doesn't look like Dust is dying considering we are now about to get a new release.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
5693
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:52:00 -
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Because they're doing "free-to-play" the correct way... for the most part.
Content should not be locked in a free game. It would make the players feel like they've been cheated out of something. The only things bought with real money are vanity items or a way to change how the game looks, not plays.
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles.
907
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:53:00 -
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DLC is the cancer of gaming.
AE-
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RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance
916
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:54:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:So lets see how other games are handling new maps, weapons etc:
COD: -maps and weapons avaible are sold in DLC packs -maps can only be played by people who bought the maps -weapons can be put on your class but used aswell against people who havent bought the addon cause the game gets a "compability patch".
Same thing happends in other games. So to help funding new vehicles and weapons why not sell the skillbooks required for AUR only? Or aswell make them a drop from the strongboxes. I know this sounds like a devilish concept but if CCP doesnt make money off from this we wont see new stuff.
I was thinking about a concept like this: -amarr HAV operation skillbook 4.99Gé¼ -minmatarr shotgun operation 4.99Gé¼ -minmatarr autocannon large turret operation 4.99Gé¼
The operation skillbook would be your entry ticket but after that proficency and the other skills could be bought for ISK. The vehicles and weapons in question are ofcourse sold for ISK. To ecnourage people to buy the skillbooks you could give away 10 freebies which require no skill to use (like the standard AUR items) so you can judge if you like the thing or not.
Just to be clear about this whole "cashgrab concept" weapons, vehicles, turrets etc. would require new 3D modells and not reused assets borrowed from other weapons o vehicles.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
391
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:56:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:DLC is the cancer of gaming.
QFT
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
10857
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:57:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Kalante Schiffer wrote:DLC is the cancer of gaming. QFT
DQFT = Double QFT
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
392
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Posted - 2015.01.23 20:02:00 -
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Anyway, they should "only" fix the overall experience, the feeling the game give. Destiny is a pretty bad game overall, but hell it has a great feeling. Now imagine this feeling "ported" to Dust. Magnificent, seriously.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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LUGMOS
Quafe Premium
1653
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Posted - 2015.01.23 20:15:00 -
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No
/endthread
Official QuafeGäó Advocate
Anti-FoTM Prof. V
Forum Scavenger Prof. V
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Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
166
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Posted - 2015.01.23 20:21:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:So lets see how other games are handling new maps, weapons etc:
COD: -maps and weapons avaible are sold in DLC packs -maps can only be played by people who bought the maps -weapons can be put on your class but used aswell against people who havent bought the addon cause the game gets a "compability patch".
Same thing happends in other games. So to help funding new vehicles and weapons why not sell the skillbooks required for AUR only? Or aswell make them a drop from the strongboxes. I know this sounds like a devilish concept but if CCP doesnt make money off from this we wont see new stuff.
I was thinking about a concept like this: -amarr HAV operation skillbook 4.99Gé¼ -minmatarr shotgun operation 4.99Gé¼ -minmatarr autocannon large turret operation 4.99Gé¼
The operation skillbook would be your entry ticket but after that proficency and the other skills could be bought for ISK. The vehicles and weapons in question are ofcourse sold for ISK. To ecnourage people to buy the skillbooks you could give away 10 freebies which require no skill to use (like the standard AUR items) so you can judge if you like the thing or not.
Just to be clear about this whole "cashgrab concept" weapons, vehicles, turrets etc. would require new 3D modells and not reused assets borrowed from other weapons o vehicles.
They don't need to make new assets as paid DLC; they can make it free like they did before. Also paid DLC splits the community like others said, so it is not a good idea with a game that has very little population also they probably won't get much money from it either because not everyone buys map packs.
Game companies technically can make free DLC, but sometimes policies of publishers can prevent that. Making new content like map packs and guns and such doesn't cost a lot of money I think; so it is an easy way of getting money. Development by companies that make those games you talked about operate differently from CCP; usually they have different teams supporting the game after the game shipped and after the game shipped another team is working on a different game. F2P developers usually just stick to one game for a very long team like a MMO development team. Paid DLC does not make the DLC any better; that is up to the quality of the development team and resources . CCP imo does not make very good quality updates for dust at least or have a lot of resources . Also CCP has been committed to free game content updates I think they did a decent job at . Although not the best as they really didn't add much content to the game over the course of the years Dust has been out.
Maken Tosch wrote:Because CCP is adopting the Eve Online tradition of free updates rather than charging for downloadable content. Worked for them so far. Besides, Dust is making enough money as it is with Daily Mission roll overs, boosters, other AUR consumables like suits and weapons, BPOs, and merc packs which give you the most bang for the buck. Dust is no longer dependent on funding from Eve Online if I understand it correctly which is a good thing.
You or anyone don't know how much money dust makes and how much would be 'enough' (enough for what ?) . Only CCP really knows. If if anything it is enough to keep the servers up, paying the small dev team , and updating the game by using existing assets, but I don't know know if it is solely money that only goes to Dust or goes to the larger share of what CCP makes and which then Dust gets a budget. I heard a dev said dust gets a budget awhile ago so I guess its that. |
Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
1480
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Posted - 2015.01.23 22:29:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:So lets see how other games are handling new maps, weapons etc:
COD: -maps and weapons avaible are sold in DLC packs -maps can only be played by people who bought the maps -weapons can be put on your class but used aswell against people who havent bought the addon cause the game gets a "compability patch".
Same thing happends in other games. So to help funding new vehicles and weapons why not sell the skillbooks required for AUR only? Or aswell make them a drop from the strongboxes. I know this sounds like a devilish concept but if CCP doesnt make money off from this we wont see new stuff.
I was thinking about a concept like this: -amarr HAV operation skillbook 4.99Gé¼ -minmatarr shotgun operation 4.99Gé¼ -minmatarr autocannon large turret operation 4.99Gé¼
The operation skillbook would be your entry ticket but after that proficency and the other skills could be bought for ISK. The vehicles and weapons in question are ofcourse sold for ISK. To ecnourage people to buy the skillbooks you could give away 10 freebies which require no skill to use (like the standard AUR items) so you can judge if you like the thing or not.
Just to be clear about this whole "cashgrab concept" weapons, vehicles, turrets etc. would require new 3D modells and not reused assets borrowed from other weapons o vehicles. Someone has been playing DCUO.
They use DLC that is required to use all your characters already present equipment slots. They just lock it and say 'lol nope' you can't use that until you get X DLC.
And they cap your money at 1,500. While holding the rest of your funds in an invisible 'escrow',which you then have to pay IRL money to get access to.
They essentially say "You earned it,but we're not letting you have it until you pay us." (extortion,which is a crime) Time and money is to expensive a cost.
Then,to add salt to the wound they set the better items 1-5 $ over your cap,forever stopping you from getting better gear until you pay.
I don't want any of that here,so no.
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Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
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bathtubist
Eternal Beings General Tso's Alliance
4
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Posted - 2015.01.23 22:31:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:So lets see how other games are handling new maps, weapons etc:
COD: -maps and weapons avaible are sold in DLC packs -maps can only be played by people who bought the maps -weapons can be put on your class but used aswell against people who havent bought the addon cause the game gets a "compability patch".
Same thing happends in other games. So to help funding new vehicles and weapons why not sell the skillbooks required for AUR only? Or aswell make them a drop from the strongboxes. I know this sounds like a devilish concept but if CCP doesnt make money off from this we wont see new stuff.
I was thinking about a concept like this: -amarr HAV operation skillbook 4.99Gé¼ -minmatarr shotgun operation 4.99Gé¼ -minmatarr autocannon large turret operation 4.99Gé¼
The operation skillbook would be your entry ticket but after that proficency and the other skills could be bought for ISK. The vehicles and weapons in question are ofcourse sold for ISK. To ecnourage people to buy the skillbooks you could give away 10 freebies which require no skill to use (like the standard AUR items) so you can judge if you like the thing or not.
Just to be clear about this whole "cashgrab concept" weapons, vehicles, turrets etc. would require new 3D modells and not reused assets borrowed from other weapons o vehicles. Because Dlc is the definition of a Power creep |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
5697
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Posted - 2015.01.23 22:36:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Kalante Schiffer wrote:DLC is the cancer of gaming. QFT BBQ |
The Eristic
Dust 90210
718
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Posted - 2015.01.23 23:30:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:DLC is the cancer of gaming.
Too bad you're already rich, I'd send you all my isk to make up for all the likes the forum software won't let me give you.
Reality is the original Rorschach.
Verily! So much for all that.
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
1633
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Posted - 2015.01.23 23:30:00 -
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I quit destiny because DLC is required for night fall. Stupid. No money for them. I was planning on getting the DLC but won't because I'm forced to
Crush them
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Vicious Minotaur
1865
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Posted - 2015.01.23 23:37:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:DLC is the cancer of gaming.
Indeed.
I know I am not alone when I say this, so:
I hated the DLC from the Dark Souls games. I hated Dawnguard and Dragonborn from Skyrim. I hate all the DLC from Borderlands 1&2.
DLC is a cancer.
I am a minotaur.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
786
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Posted - 2015.01.23 23:41:00 -
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lol eve online doesnt get "free content" if you believe that then you are delusional. On eve you either have to pay for your subscription or you pay with the ISK you made in the game itself to get a plex. You might say that the last option would be free but you pay with your gaming time and directly give a other player a huge amount of ISK.
And it doesnt matter if you buy a plex for ISK or pay for your sub. In the end the plex has allready beeing payd and CCP made their money.
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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NoExsplosionsMgee
Rebels New Republic The Ditanian Alliance
327
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Posted - 2015.01.23 23:55:00 -
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How about NO!?
PRAISE THE SUN!! \ |Gö¼|' /
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